AnabolicLab.com & GoFundMe...Please Share

[Millard]

To use the avatar, you have two choices. One, provide the avatar to members to download and upload to their profile. Or two, setup a filter plugin for profile pictures that overlays a transparent image of their avatar. This option is like what Facebook is doing.

Or like has been said, try out the tag that you created and if it starts being abused, you can just pull the plug on it.

I like the profile pic filter plugin but do not have technical skill to create one. I haven't been able to find an existing one for xenforo.

 

[Millard]

2) sources or reps using donation tag and using it as a selling or status tool.

Or like has been said, try out the tag that you created and if it starts being abused, you can just pull the plug on it.

I'd like to address this likely outcome. Sources/reps will and have donated to AnabolicLab.com. What specific actions will constitute abuse of the tag?

 

[VaginaShark]

Hey guys, check out the new banners @mkultra58 created to promote Anaboliclab.com

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Not to be a grammar nazi but I just wanted to point out that steroid is spelled wrong.
Other than that the banners look awesome, nice job @mkulltra58

 

[mkulltra58]

Not to be a grammar nazi but I just wanted to point out that steroid is spelled wrong.
Other than that the banners look awesome, nice job @mkulltra58

Good catch! @Millard Baker Email with typo fixed sent

 

[mkulltra58]

I like the profile pic filter plugin but do not have technical skill to create one. I haven't been able to find an existing one for xenforo.

I figure it would be a long shot since most forum platforms are very limited unlike a WordPress site where you can find anything. I'll see if I can find another option for using the avatar.

 

[mkulltra58]

I'd like to address this likely outcome. Sources/reps will and have donated to AnabolicLab.com. What specific actions will constitute abuse of the tag?

I don't think it's a bad thing at all for sources/reps to donate. If they are a good lab, then they should want to see a program like this be successful for many reasons.

Now that I think a little more about it. With the guys that we have in the community, if a source is trying to using their donation status as a selling tool, I think they would shut that down real quick by immediately reminding members that by them being a donor, it does not have anything to do with the quality of their products.

 

[Millard]

If the donation status tag is implemented, should donation status be tiered? For example:

• basic - <$100
• bronze - $101-$499
• silver - $500-$999
• gold - >$1000

 

[mkulltra58]

Would that be combined or one off donations? I like the tiered idea.

 

[mkulltra58]

I like the profile pic filter plugin but do not have technical skill to create one. I haven't been able to find an existing one for xenforo.

@Millard Baker
Check out these threads:
https://xenforo.com/community/threads/how-to-add-an-image-to-avatarholder-diff-for-groups.19351/
https://xenforo.com/community/threa...-image-adjustment-for-an-avatar-border.15272/

This leads me to believe it is definitely possible to do with Xenforo but might take some CSS/Javascript coding to complete. Don't know your coding skills but unless you have experience in coding, you may want to go with the tag idea. You could probably have a developer from elance or Thumbtack to do it, but I don't know what they would charge and if it would be financial doable for Anabolic Lab. I would offer to work on it but don't know if you want to muck around with the coding for the forum, especially since I'm not familiar with this platform. I mostly work on and build WordPress sites.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Still testing. I think it definitely attracts attention. Is the "AnabolicLab.com Donor" tag a good idea? From a marketing perspective, I think it is. But does it create another status hierarchy that can be abused?

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I was initially against all donor tags for the very reason that they might lead to status hierarchies, but after mulling it over, I think one like you have here could be acceptable.

I've noticed a few "Meso-Rx Premium Member" tags today. I am absolutely opposed to those. First, Anabolic Lab should remain separate from Meso-Rx in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, maintaining its independence and credibility, etc.

Secondly, supporting AL does not mean you support Meso. Granted, most will support both, but if the goal is to appeal to those on other forums, and encourage them to support AL, Meso tags are irrelevant.

And finally, Meso-Rx Premium Member tags are essentially a VIP title. They create the very hierarchies we're trying to avoid. How would it look if a scamming source like Astro was a "Premium Meso Member" while his critics were not? How would that influence new members? How would it look if someone like ItalianMuscle could become a Meso-Rx Premium Member just because he bought the title - as he has done on other forums? Would a Meso-Rx Premium Member tag influence your decision to impose ban on someone who violates the rules?

My personal preference would be to offer a tag that says something like, "I Support Anabolic Lab," or "Anabolic Lab Supporter," and make the tag voluntary and available to everyone, whether they've donated or not. Doing so will achieve the goal of increasing awareness without penalizing Meso members who haven't donated or can't afford to donate, even though they might still support AL. And you'll avoid the hierarchies and everything negative that comes with titles, and perhaps more importantly, prevent sources from abusing the title to increase sales.

My 2 cents.

CBS

 

[lucabratzi]

I was initially against all donor tags for the very reason that they might lead to status hierarchies, but after mulling it over, I think one like you have here could be acceptable.

I've noticed a few "Meso-Rx Premium Member" tags today. I am absolutely opposed to those. First, Anabolic Lab should remain separate from Meso-Rx in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, maintaining its independence and credibility, etc.

Secondly, supporting AL does not mean you support Meso. Granted, most will support both, but if the goal is to appeal to those on other forums, and encourage them to support AL, Meso tags are irrelevant.

And finally, Meso-Rx Premium Member tags are essentially a VIP title. They create the very hierarchies we're trying to avoid. How would it look if a scamming source like Astro was a "Premium Meso Member" while his critics were not? How would that influence new members? How would it look if someone like ItalianMuscle could become a Meso-Rx Premium Member just because he bought the title - as he has done on other forums? Would a Meso-Rx Premium Member tag influence your decision to impose ban on someone who violates the rules?

My personal preference would be to offer a tag that says something like, "I Support Anabolic Lab," or "Anabolic Lab Supporter," and make the tag voluntary and available to everyone, whether they've donated or not. Doing so will achieve the goal of increasing awareness without penalizing Meso members who haven't donated or can't afford to donate, even though they might still support AL. And you'll avoid the hierarchies and everything negative that comes with titles, and perhaps more importantly, prevent sources from abusing the title to increase sales.

My 2 cents.

CBS

I agree w the fact that it could muddy the picture w sources for the reason u said.

but there already is a hierarchy w the "wkm" tags. For whatever reason that makes people seem credible when's it's not always the case.

I don't agree w the "I support al tag". People can say they support things but when it comes time to actually do work or chip in they are no where to be found. People love to say "I support the troops" but have never spent a minute to talk to, listen to, donate their time to help, donate money to any charity funding the wounded troops. But they say they support them cause it sounds nice and makes them feel better about themselves. You can say you support things but support is shown by actions not words.

 

[GigaloRob]

I agree w the fact that it could muddy the picture w sources for the reason u said.

but there already is a hierarchy w the "wkm" tags. For whatever reason that makes people seem credible when's it's not always the case.

I don't agree w the "I support al tag". People can say they support things but when it comes time to actually do work or chip in they are no where to be found. People love to say "I support the troops" but have never spent a minute to talk to, listen to, donate their time to help, donate money to any charity funding the wounded troops. But they say they support them cause it sounds nice and makes them feel better about themselves. You can say you support things but support is shown by actions not words.

I think the point was to promote the service not if the person actually donated or not. People that donate should be doing because it's a good cause and service and not for personal recognition. Your statement from my point of view is why titles shouldn't be issued for donations as it creates almost a shaming to the members without a title.

 

[mkulltra58]

I was initially against all donor tags for the very reason that they might lead to status hierarchies, but after mulling it over, I think one like you have here could be acceptable.

I've noticed a few "Meso-Rx Premium Member" tags today. I am absolutely opposed to those. First, Anabolic Lab should remain separate from Meso-Rx in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, maintaining its independence and credibility, etc.

Secondly, supporting AL does not mean you support Meso. Granted, most will support both, but if the goal is to appeal to those on other forums, and encourage them to support AL, Meso tags are irrelevant.

And finally, Meso-Rx Premium Member tags are essentially a VIP title. They create the very hierarchies we're trying to avoid. How would it look if a scamming source like Astro was a "Premium Meso Member" while his critics were not? How would that influence new members? How would it look if someone like ItalianMuscle could become a Meso-Rx Premium Member just because he bought the title - as he has done on other forums? Would a Meso-Rx Premium Member tag influence your decision to impose ban on someone who violates the rules?

My personal preference would be to offer a tag that says something like, "I Support Anabolic Lab," or "Anabolic Lab Supporter," and make the tag voluntary and available to everyone, whether they've donated or not. Doing so will achieve the goal of increasing awareness without penalizing Meso members who haven't donated or can't afford to donate, even though they might still support AL. And you'll avoid the hierarchies and everything negative that comes with titles, and perhaps more importantly, prevent sources from abusing the title to increase sales.

My 2 cents.

CBS

Or concerns are very similar as I stated initially earlier in this thread. These thoughts were why I liked the idea of showing support through the avatar. However, I don't know if it is something that can be implemented at this time.

 

[mkulltra58]

I know this idea will probably be shot down immediately, but I think the labs should be giving more money to the program. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the program, these labs (that are passing) are profiting from the results of AL's testing. I don't think testing spots should be sold to labs; however, I think that if labs donate over a certain amount, they should be more likely or given priority in the next round of testing.

I have more ideas for ways to raise more substantial funds that I will be formalizing and either posting here or discussing directly with Millard.

 

[Bone Gristle]

I really don't think there's any problem with a tag as long as it clearly states anabolic lab donor or something along those lines. It has nothing to do with status on meso and it gives people a incentive to donate.

I don't know about you, but I don't give a rat's ass if a new source pops up with a anabolic lab icon under his name.
It a cool they donated, but that's says absolutely fuck all about their gear.

I'm pretty confident they'll still get the same treatment as any other rep and I'm sure others out there will agree on that.

 

[GigaloRob]

I really don't think there's any problem with a tag as long as it clearly states anabolic lab donor or something along those lines. It has nothing to do with status on meso and it gives people a incentive to donate.

I don't know about you, but I don't give a rat's ass if a new source pops up with a anabolic lab icon under his name.
It a cool they donated, but that's says absolutely fuck all about their gear.

I'm pretty confident they'll still get the same treatment as any other rep and I'm sure others out there will agree on that.

The issue I see is that titles create a problem in that people place importance on titles rather than the quality of the post/individual. This occurs here already on a daily basis. It's foolish to assume that the same thing won't happen with new titles. I could give two shits about sources but it's naive to think that sources with the anabolic lab title won't get preferential treatment over the ones without a title. The same will be true of members also at some point.

 

[mkulltra58]

What if a source donates $5000 a month? Are they going to get the same treatment as every other source? What if that is Pharmacom and tests start coming up bad? Are they going to be given more time to fix things because they are a Platinum Donor or are they going to get beat up just as bad as any other lab?

This is why I want to talk more with Millard about some other funding ideas. Optimally, AnabolicLab would be funded by people that have nothing to gain or lose in the situation.

 

[lucabratzi]

I think the point was to promote the service not if the person actually donated or not. People that donate should be doing because it's a good cause and service and not for personal recognition. Your statement from my point of view is why titles shouldn't be issued for donations as it creates almost a shaming to the members without a title.

I'm not talkin shit to u personally but the word "shaming" makes me wanna puke. People are to damn sensitive and if they feel shamed cause they haven't donated and don't have a title then they should remove their tampon and gtfo.

Everyone these days cries shaming over something. If they feel shamed then donate $1 and join the club and stop crying

 

[Millard]

@Millard Baker
Check out these threads:
https://xenforo.com/community/threads/how-to-add-an-image-to-avatarholder-diff-for-groups.19351/
https://xenforo.com/community/threa...-image-adjustment-for-an-avatar-border.15272/

This leads me to believe it is definitely possible to do with Xenforo but might take some CSS/Javascript coding to complete. Don't know your coding skills but unless you have experience in coding, you may want to go with the tag idea.

I'm not a coder so I would lean towards something easy like the tags. I won't rule out modifications and may revisit later. Thank you much!

 

[Millard]

I was initially against all donor tags for the very reason that they might lead to status hierarchies, but after mulling it over, I think one like you have here could be acceptable.

I've noticed a few "Meso-Rx Premium Member" tags today. I am absolutely opposed to those. First, Anabolic Lab should remain separate from Meso-Rx in order to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest, maintaining its independence and credibility, etc.

Secondly, supporting AL does not mean you support Meso. Granted, most will support both, but if the goal is to appeal to those on other forums, and encourage them to support AL, Meso tags are irrelevant.

And finally, Meso-Rx Premium Member tags are essentially a VIP title. They create the very hierarchies we're trying to avoid. How would it look if a scamming source like Astro was a "Premium Meso Member" while his critics were not? How would that influence new members? How would it look if someone like ItalianMuscle could become a Meso-Rx Premium Member just because he bought the title - as he has done on other forums? Would a Meso-Rx Premium Member tag influence your decision to impose ban on someone who violates the rules?

My personal preference would be to offer a tag that says something like, "I Support Anabolic Lab," or "Anabolic Lab Supporter," and make the tag voluntary and available to everyone, whether they've donated or not. Doing so will achieve the goal of increasing awareness without penalizing Meso members who haven't donated or can't afford to donate, even though they might still support AL. And you'll avoid the hierarchies and everything negative that comes with titles, and perhaps more importantly, prevent sources from abusing the title to increase sales.

My 2 cents.

CBS

Thank you for your careful consideration of the potential pitfalls of an Anaboliclab status tag. Even though it is somewhat unique from what is seen on other forums, its promotion of a status hierarchy seems unavoidable.

What specific steps can be taken to minimize the associated problems? As far as MESO is concerned, rules are rules. Donations to AnabolicLab.com will not give members any special treatment or protection on the forum. The AnabolicLab.com tags will only be a way to recognize member contributions to the program. MESO can certainly guarantee this much.

AnabolicLab.com tagged members will inevitably be perceived more positively by other members. This bias seems unavoidable. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. I think supporting AnabolicLab.com IS a good thing and I am happy to see supporters recognized for this support.

I just hope it doesn't taint debate. AnabolicLab.com supporters shouldn't be allowed to get away with saying stupid things any more than a non-supporter. The content posted by members should always be judged by merit rather than any special status or group in which they belong. Unfortunately, many are swayed by status whether it is a VIP, WKM, MOD, ADMIN tag. This can be harmful when it is undeserved.