injection dent

Almaga1979

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On my 7th week of hgh 2iu daily and I just noticed a dent where I inject on the right side of my lower stomach. I have been injecting my hcg in the same spot which I probably shouldn't have. Its not hurting me or anything but it is noticeable. I have been looking online and I guess some diabetics get the same thing. Any suggestions I have not injected that site anymore but its been about 6 days and it's still there.
 
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What do the diabetics say the cause of it is

Lipodystrophy yep!

And although the mechanism could/would be different that's one reason diabetics ROTATE SITES!

Admittedly I've not seen this occur in those using GH BUT, they are told to alter pinning locations.

OP just rotate your sites it WILL RESOLVE in due course, if not there's always plastic surgery :)
 
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OP is the GH your using Pharmaceutical?
I was waiting on you to chime in and yes it is serostim. I guess everyone's body reacts different just kind of spooked me. My wife told me her father would get them and he was a diabetic so I looked it up. Thanks for your response :) I got some spots plastic surgery would fill in perfect lol
 
I only asked bc before the advent of recombinant Insulin (AKA HUMALIN) lipodystrophy was MUCH more common. The MOA was thought to be immune mediated, or an "allergy" of sorts to the insulin being used at the time, which was derived from an mammalian concentrate usually SWINE.

Current evidence supports the yesteryears theory as the frequency dropped remarkably once recombinant Insulin was introduced. That being said injection related lipodystrophy (there are several types and categories) still occurs is DM patients and the most likely explanation is altered focal cellular metabolism, or more specifically the catabolism of Triglycerides into fatty acids and glycerol.

(Yea I know that doesn't follow physiologically as Insulin generally enhances lipogenesis. However bear in mind diabetics exhibit varying degrees of glucose intolerance, that is further complicated by suppressed insulin sensitivity. Thus counter regulatory hormones such as GH and Cortisol could/would also be contributing factors )

I found it interesting, if not perhaps contradictory, SKM ATROPHY was also observed as a contributing factor in some DIABETIC PATIENTS with lipodystrophy.

Regardless lipodystrophy has also been reported with chronic rHGH use and the MOA is also thought to be due altered focal cellular metabolism.

The recommended treatment
- Rotate the injection sites
- Limit the amount of GH pinned in each site
- The absolute amount varies as few patients develop lipodystrophy from GH use IME
but I suppose TWO IU or less would be a reasonable staring point

jim
 
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Ive seen not evidence one way or the other but from a physiological perspective since GH enhances lipolysis, another suggestion (for those historically predisposed to lipodystrophy) would be to inject GH IM rather than Sub-Q, as the latter is an injection into adipose tissue for all intents and purposes.

jim
 
@Dr JIM It could be caused by an immune reaction to the bacteria on the skin at the injection site. It may also be immune reaction or even cell lysis simply due to the trauma of SC water depot.
 
@Dr JIM It could be caused by an immune reaction to the bacteria on the skin at the injection site. It may also be immune reaction or even cell lysis simply due to the trauma of SC water depot.

I only asked bc before the advent of recombinant Insulin (AKA HUMALIN) lipodystrophy was MUCH more common. The MOA was thought to be immune mediated, or an "allergy" of sorts to the insulin being used at the time, which was derived from an mammalian concentrate usually SWINE.

Current evidence supports the yesteryears theory as the frequency dropped remarkably once recombinant Insulin was introduced. That being said injection related lipodystrophy (there are several types and categories) still occurs is DM patients and the most likely explanation is altered focal cellular metabolism, or more specifically the catabolism of Triglycerides into fatty acids and glycerol.

(Yea I know that doesn't follow physiologically as Insulin generally enhances lipogenesis. However bear in mind diabetics exhibit varying degrees of glucose intolerance, that is further complicated by suppressed insulin sensitivity. Thus counter regulatory hormones such as GH and Cortisol could/would also be contributing factors )

I found it interesting, if not perhaps contradictory, SKM ATROPHY was also observed as a contributing factor in some DIABETIC PATIENTS with lipodystrophy.

Regardless lipodystrophy has also been reported with chronic rHGH use and the MOA is also thought to be due altered focal cellular metabolism.

The recommended treatment
- Rotate the injection sites
- Limit the amount of GH pinned in each site
- The absolute amount varies as few patients develop lipodystrophy from GH use IME
but I suppose TWO IU or less would be a reasonable staring point

jim

And that's the difference between a cause and effect relationship which is evidence based, and conjecture.
 
"Dr. JIM is a homo" (Isaac Newton, Principia Mathematica)

And you're a MORON, yet I'm confident the Meso majority are aware of that already, excepting noobs perhaps.

However rest assured the latter is the only reason I waste any time or effort discounting your nonsensical, conjecture riddled posts.
 

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