Different color tops?????

[Nutpuncher]

Blacktop are overdosed by TP statement around 5.5mg the first batch the new one is 5.0mg if I remember correctly.

It's a new product they are probably overdosing it as a sell point and to launch it.

Grey top are well established and so they are a bit more expensive and should be perfectly dosed. If you don't care how much you shoot and want just go for as much IU as possible go for black top.

I prefer a "maybe" well dosed product and one with proved records so I stick to grey top.

Black and grey should be analysed from simec soon.
But I'm not really into promuscle forum so don't know much. You should ask to @muscle96ss
He is quite active there. Knows lots of shit about TP and his product.


2IU are a good anti age fat loss, if you are young you will notice less then if you were old like mid 30 or more.

I tried HGH only once for 6 month and I can tell you, the water retention for me with a bit of a bad diet was massive but the look it gave me was damn good.

My shoulder were massive like balloons and I had that 3D look that I really enjoyed. Was doing it with Tren so who knows... Maybe was just in my mind.

HGH is really a mystery for me, you should try it and see if you like it.

I had good sides and bad aides from it. The good were better then the bad so I'm doing it again.

Be careful of carpal tunnel and sleepiness. I almost fucked up on the job because I couldn't keep myself awake.

Shoot it before bed, in my experience is the best.

Thank you for taking time to respond. I appreciate your help (along with others).

I am excited to start. Hopefully within next few weeks......

 

[Bob Dole]

Great thread! I am considering trying HGH for the first time as well. so this info was good stuff. I am looking to use it for anti-aging, better injury recovery, and do boost my endurance. I was thinking a 6 month run @ 3IU's a day. Just not sure if it should be 7 days on or 5 days on and two days off.

 

[Nutpuncher]

Great thread! I am considering trying HGH for the first time as well. so this info was good stuff. I am looking to use it for anti-aging, better injury recovery, and do boost my endurance. I was thinking a 6 month run @ 3IU's a day. Just not sure if it should be 7 days on or 5 days on and two days off.

I am also wanting same benefits as you and asked similar questions earlier on this thread but will be using 2iu daily. The protocol that was recommended was daily for 6 months instead of 5 on and 2 off for 7 months.

 

[Bob Dole]

@Nutpuncher So you planning to go with TP's black tops? I am trying to decide on black or grey myself. At this point I am only considering TP, PD, and HK, but HK is really slow to correspond with so TP is at the top of the list.

 

[Nutpuncher]

@Nutpuncher So you planning to go with TP's black tops? I am trying to decide on black or grey myself. At this point I am only considering TP, PD, and HK, but HK is really slow to correspond with so TP is at the top of the list.

Correct, I will proceed with TP Black Tops because of domestic shipping, price and positive reviews/feedback.

 

[Bob Dole]

I am also wanting same benefits as you and asked similar questions earlier on this thread but will be using 2iu daily. The protocol that was recommended was daily for 6 months instead of 5 on and 2 off for 7 months.

Reading up on the black's, pretty much everyone (including in this thread) talk about them being stronger than the grey's and people getting the hands pain at around 3iu's that they typically would experience at 5iu's with the grey's. With that said, you may be able to get the results you are looking for with the black's just running 1iu a day.

I know you're wife has already signed off on this, but this could be an even better selling point to keep her more on board and happy.

 

[Nutpuncher]

Reading up on the black's, pretty much everyone (including in this thread) talk about them being stronger than the grey's and people getting the hands pain at around 3iu's that they typically would experience at 5iu's with the grey's. With that said, you may be able to get the results you are looking for with the black's just running 1iu a day.

I know you're wife has already signed off on this, but this could be an even better selling point to keep her more on board and happy.

Thanks for suggestion.

I'd be thrilled if 1iu black tops will meet my anti aging needs. That would last me almost 400 days as I'll be getting 400iu.

I'll start with 1iu and move up .5iu increments but will not go any higher than 2iu.

 

[Bob Dole]

Thanks for suggestion.

I'd be thrilled if 1iu black tops will meet my anti aging needs. That would last me almost 400 days as I'll be getting 400iu.

I'll start with 1iu and move up .5iu increments but will not go any higher than 2iu.

That is a good idea, I been reading TP's whole thread and the bottom line is that the black vials he is sending out now state they are 10iu per vial, but his tests show them to be more around 14.5iu's so that would work out well! lol

 

[Bob Dole]

On a side note, I am trying to convince my girl to do it as well (lol). She could use it prob more than me (recovering from a major should surgery and just not healing as fast as she expected even with PT completed).

 

[Nutpuncher]

On a side note, I am trying to convince my girl to do it as well (lol). She could use it prob more than me (recovering from a major should surgery and just not healing as fast as she expected even with PT completed).

Original plan was 2iu each for my wife and I, but since we can only afford for 1 person....she graciously backed out. I'd love for my wife and I to share this experience together. We are both in early 40's. I've dealt with 10+ years of addiction and another 5 years in recovery. I am no longer using (opiate pain killers, benzos, adderall, Coke/crack, lsd/shrooms and heavy alcohol). I still have a drink every so often but rare now a days and still consume marijuana (mostly edibles).

So my beat up body can use gh, but my wife out up with my thru my addiction/recovery so she is also beat up too. But every day I make sure she is happy to make up for the nonsense BS I put her thru....and in return she lets me go gh lol. She knows I am on TRT, but doesn't know that I blast. But she said she is ok as long as it's pharma test only. Gosh I am lucky to have her and my son

 

[Bob Dole]

Original plan was 2iu each for my wife and I, but since we can only afford for 1 person

Well look at it this way. Based on TP's own statements:

For the newer batch i would put it as less than 15ius. more like 14.5 iu.

You can consider each vial to be 14iu instead of 10, which from what I have read a female can get great results on less than a male, so I think you could probably both use what you originally thought you would need just for your self based on the blacks being overdosed. You don't want the water retention, so it makes sense to treat each vial as 14iu's.

 

[muscle96ss]

Blacktop are overdosed by TP statement around 5.5mg the first batch the new one is 5.0mg if I remember correctly.

It's a new product they are probably overdosing it as a sell point and to launch it.

Grey top are well established and so they are a bit more expensive and should be perfectly dosed. If you don't care how much you shoot and want just go for as much IU as possible go for black top.

I prefer a "maybe" well dosed product and one with proved records so I stick to grey top.

Black and grey should be analysed from simec soon.
But I'm not really into promuscle forum so don't know much. You should ask to @muscle96ss
He is quite active there. Knows lots of shit about TP and his product.


2IU are a good anti age fat loss, if you are young you will notice less then if you were old like mid 30 or more.

I tried HGH only once for 6 month and I can tell you, the water retention for me with a bit of a bad diet was massive but the look it gave me was damn good.

My shoulder were massive like balloons and I had that 3D look that I really enjoyed. Was doing it with Tren so who knows... Maybe was just in my mind.

HGH is really a mystery for me, you should try it and see if you like it.

I had good sides and bad aides from it. The good were better then the bad so I'm doing it again.

Be careful of carpal tunnel and sleepiness. I almost fucked up on the job because I couldn't keep myself awake.

Shoot it before bed, in my experience is the best.

The greys are made at a GMP facility and hence are more expensive because you are paying for standardized quality. The blacks are produced in a different facility and are supposed to be 15iu. With the blacks, TP is active behind the scenes with this facility to make sure that they are not skimping on the dosage or making a poor purity product.

 

[XKawN]

The greys are made at a GMP facility and hence are more expensive because you are paying for standardized quality. The blacks are produced in a different facility and are supposed to be 15iu. With the blacks, TP is active behind the scenes with this facility to make sure that they are not skimping on the dosage or making a poor purity product.

I wish tp sold raws, lol. It would be nice to know you wouldn't have to worry about the quality of your powder.

 

[Nutpuncher]

The greys are made at a GMP facility and hence are more expensive because you are paying for standardized quality. The blacks are produced in a different facility and are supposed to be 15iu. With the blacks, TP is active behind the scenes with this facility to make sure that they are not skimping on the dosage or making a poor purity product.

Thanks.

If I understand you correctly... black tops are supposed to be dosed higher, cost less but not produced in GMP facility. The grey tops are dosed accurately, cost more and produced in a GMP facility.

Is GMP facility that important? Do you have any issues using/buying the black tops?

 

[Bob Dole]

Thanks.

If I understand you correctly... black tops are supposed to be dosed higher, cost less but not produced in GMP facility. The grey tops are dosed accurately, cost more and produced in a GMP facility.

Is GMP facility that important? Do you have any issues using/buying the black tops?

My take on this is TP keeps a strong eye on quality when it comes to the black tops and this is helping keep the quality up. Over on PM his regulars are loving the black tops so far.

 

[Bob Dole]

@muscle96ss knows his shit when it comes to HGH and is one of the people on Meso I take note of what he has to say.

 

[muscle96ss]

The GMP facility just gives you peace of mind to know that there is regulation behind it and you are going to get what you paid for without having to worry from both the sources and customers points of view.

I personally have only used the first batch of blacks that were 4.2mg I believe. I had a bit of initial water retention. In comparison, I get almost no water retention with the greys. The water retention makes my muscle bellies look more full, but I lose some of the vascularity.

 

[Bob Dole]

The GMP facility just gives you peace of mind to know that there is regulation behind it and you are going to get what you paid for without having to worry from both the sources and customers points of view.

I personally have only used the first batch of blacks that were 4.2mg I believe. I had a bit of initial water retention. In comparison, I get almost no water retention with the greys. The water retention makes my muscle bellies look more full, but I lose some of the vascularity.

But isn't the water retention due to the over/high dose of the black top vials?

 

[Wunderpus]

Well look at it this way. Based on TP's own statements:
You can consider each vial to be 14iu instead of 10, which from what I have read a female can get great results on less than a male, so I think you could probably both use what you originally thought you would need just for your self based on the blacks being overdosed. You don't want the water retention, so it makes sense to treat each vial as 14iu's.

IF this is the case, I am running 15/14.5 iu a day of the blacks, as I shoot 1 vial a day. I am not so sure that's possible as ~7ius of seros made my hands go numb... The alleged amount of these blacks, so double, doesn't have any comparable sides. A bit of lethargy, and some water retention is there, as well as fat loss... Nothing like you'd EXPECT at 15iu/day that's for sure.

I am not saying the black ARE NOT dosed properly or as TP claims, it's possible I have acclimated to the sides of GH after years of usage. Who knows....?

 

[muscle96ss]

But isn't the water retention due to the over/high dose of the black top vials?

That is a possibility I have considered. With that said, I have noticed over the years that certain GH's give me different amounts of water retention. For example, of all the GH's I have used, I get zero water retention with Genotropin. On the other hand, Norditropin makes me blow up like a water balloon. Both were with the exact same dosage and both are pharm grade and obviously accurately dosed. So, it is of my opinion that there is something different in the manufacturing process or raws that are used that change the end product enough that it effects the receptors differently. I really don't have any other explanation for it.