The studies are out there Matz. You just have to look for them. There are quite a few that are very well done and many others that aren't quite as good but when added together offer up a solid evidence base.
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The studies are out there Matz. You just have to look for them. There are quite a few that are very well done and many others that aren't quite as good but when added together offer up a solid evidence base.
I will look for it , but so many studies are contradicted by other studies ...I guess the only way to make sure is to try it anyway.
you need to actually read the results and interpret them, apply them, etc and you'll see that studies don't always contradict each other. The findings are accurate it's the interpretation and application that don't always jive. Here is one study about 500g of carbs ingested at once and the concomitant fat accumulation. Note how many carbs were taken in and how little fat was made. The amount of fat produced is insignificant.
Am J Clin Nutr. 1987 Jan;45(1):78-85.
LinksCarbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity.
Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Flatt JP, Jéquier E.
Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis. After ingestion of the carbohydrate load, metabolic rates rose similarly in both groups but fell earlier and more rapidly in the obese. RQs also rose rapidly and remained in the range of 0.95 to 1.00 for approximately 8 h in both groups. During this time, RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively. Results demonstrate that net de novo lipid synthesis from an unusually large carbohydrate load is not greater in obese than in lean individuals.
Skiploading ? i don't know if its because my english sucks but i don't know what that isCarb refeeds/skiploading come at me bro
I wish the study was in french lol there is some terms that i never seen , but it pretty much means that they did not gain any significant amount of fats (1g or 3 g) by taking 500g of dextrin at once ? Where the carbs goes then ? Does it means that it does not really matter to split carbs during the day ? is the glycemic load also a myth ?you need to actually read the results and interpret them, apply them, etc and you'll see that studies don't always contradict each other. The findings are accurate it's the interpretation and application that don't always jive. Here is one study about 500g of carbs ingested at once and the concomitant fat accumulation. Note how many carbs were taken in and how little fat was made. The amount of fat produced is insignificant.
Am J Clin Nutr. 1987 Jan;45(1):78-85.
Carbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity.
Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Flatt JP, Jéquier E.
Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis. After ingestion of the carbohydrate load, metabolic rates rose similarly in both groups but fell earlier and more rapidly in the obese. RQs also rose rapidly and remained in the range of 0.95 to 1.00 for approximately 8 h in both groups. During this time, RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively. Results demonstrate that net de novo lipid synthesis from an unusually large carbohydrate load is not greater in obese than in lean individuals.
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Je parle un peu de français. Tu peut me demander tes questions.
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ducoup je te demandais si l'étude démontrait au final que prendre 500g de dextrin en une prise n'affectais pas la prise de graisse ? les sujet ont seulement pris 1g-3g ? (je comprend pas vraiment la formule 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) et ce que tu veut dire RQs) et ducoup s'ils ne prenne presque pas de fat avec 500g de dextrin , ou va se dirigé le reste des glucides ? est-ce que tu pense donc que le fait de séparer les prises de glucide en plusieurs prise dans la journé est inutile ? (du moins pour la prise de gras) et ducoup que pense tu de la charge glycémique ?Aha génial
Oui, les sujets qui ont mangé 500g de dextrin n'ont pas gagné quantité importante de graisse
oui, ils ont seulment pris 2-8g lequel est ~18-72 calories de graisse. Très peu.
4 +/-1 est 4-1=3 et 4+1=5
5 +/-3 est 5-3=2 et 5+3=8
RQ est une mesure du taux de métabolisme de l'estimation du dioxyde de carbone
les hydrates de carbone va de restaurer le glycogène musculaire, le glycogène du foie, et de l'énergie. quand le RQ augmente cela signifie que tes faux métabolique augmente aussi.
Oui. Prenda ou manages le glucide quand tu veux ou quand il est commode pour tu
Je pense qu'il est inutile, sauf si tu es diabétique ou l'insuline en prenant
Sorry my French is not very good but I hope you can understand what I wrote.
Ur french is pretty impressive actually
Thank you for all the precisions i appreciate the time u took to tell me all of this !
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Im diabetic.. Go makes a huge difrence in anyone diabetic or not.. Seriously bro start to experiment on yourself lol
No it doesn't. Diabetics tend to avoid high GI foods not bc of body composition but bc of their issues with insulin. My sister is diabetic and routinely eats high GI foods bc she is smart enough to realize when you eat them with protein, fat, or fiber it reduces the GI load of the entire meal. Before you preach experimentation you should try education lol
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I know fats and protein slows then down: it comes down to macronutriements.. Bro im not he only one who will argue on this subject.. Do you have a pic of your physic? Im wondering you talk like you know carbs ect you must know how to use them on yourself?No it doesn't. Diabetics tend to avoid high GI foods not bc of body composition but bc of their issues with insulin. My sister is diabetic and routinely eats high GI foods bc she is smart enough to realize when you eat them with protein, fat, or fiber it reduces the GI load of the entire meal. Before you preach experimentation you should try education lol
Not to long ago I thought the same way as you and other guys. I would think I was carb intolerant and I would time my carbs thinking it would make a difference. The reason why it worked was being consistent with calories. I asked docd about carb timing and he told me it made no difference. My last cut I decided to give it a shot and change up my thinking. I ate pop tarts and ate white rice and bread as long as it fit my macros. I lost bf the same way as if I ate complex carbs. Made no difference. Alan Aragon teaches the same.
Leangains4life
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Ok for you. But i know alot of people that swear by clean eating and they compete.
Also for myself as a diabetic and using insulin 4h time that peaks in 2 its best to use good quality carbs. I was 140 now 210 still 9% bodyfat. The drugs help but i have hard time seeing diabetics with low bodyfat lol
Lol I was just thinking about this today. I was wondering why these are suppose to be more healthy then other kinds. I mix the two because they don;t taste as good.
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