Cop loses badge over steroids test

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WATERFORD - A police officer fired after testing positive for steroids has lost a bid to get his job back.

Brent Staiger, formerly with the Waterford police department, had argued he was the victim of “procedural violations” in the testing and reporting process. He also challenged the finding that he had taken steroids, arguing his body might have naturally produced his high level of testosterone.

According to Wednesday’s ruling, Staiger was declared unfit for duty after a November 2012 drug test indicated he had taken steroids.

The test found Staiger's urine sample had a 23.7-to-1 ratio between testosterone and epitestosterone. The normal level is 1-to-1 and the test's "generally accepted level" is about 6-to-1, the ruling said.

The ruling said an officer who monitored the drug test described Staiger as “extremely nervous” and “kind of agitated.” The monitor, Det. Leonard Thackston, also said Staiger asked why “he wasn’t given a heads up” about the random test.

Staiger’s testosterone level was described as “significantly higher” than the allowable level. He was suspended with intent to dismiss, then was terminated after a hearing in September 2013.

Louis Barbone, Staiger’s attorney, could not be reached for immediate comment.

As part of his appeal, Staiger said a medical expert should have considered the possible influence on his test result of more than 20 over-the-counter vitamins and supplements he took daily.

He also asserted three or four tests should have been administered.

The appellate court rejected that view, noting the Waterford police department’s policy was based on guidelines from the state Attorney General’s Office.

It said procedural violations had not affected the test’s results, and noted Staiger had not refuted testimony from an expert witness that it was “impossible” for a human body to produce naturally the results seen in Staiger’s urine sample.

It said the lower court judge had found “sufficient competent evidence supported the charges against the plaintiff” and that Staiger's dismissal “was not a shockingly unfair result.”

Cop loses badge over steroids test
 
Is this a common practice for the force in the states? Not here, I image cuz possession of Aas is not illegal.
 
WATERFORD - A police officer fired after testing positive for steroids has lost a bid to get his job back.

Brent Staiger, formerly with the Waterford police department, had argued he was the victim of “procedural violations” in the testing and reporting process. He also challenged the finding that he had taken steroids, arguing his body might have naturally produced his high level of testosterone.

According to Wednesday’s ruling, Staiger was declared unfit for duty after a November 2012 drug test indicated he had taken steroids.

The test found Staiger's urine sample had a 23.7-to-1 ratio between testosterone and epitestosterone. The normal level is 1-to-1 and the test's "generally accepted level" is about 6-to-1, the ruling said.

The ruling said an officer who monitored the drug test described Staiger as “extremely nervous” and “kind of agitated.” The monitor, Det. Leonard Thackston, also said Staiger asked why “he wasn’t given a heads up” about the random test.

Staiger’s testosterone level was described as “significantly higher” than the allowable level. He was suspended with intent to dismiss, then was terminated after a hearing in September 2013.

Louis Barbone, Staiger’s attorney, could not be reached for immediate comment.

As part of his appeal, Staiger said a medical expert should have considered the possible influence on his test result of more than 20 over-the-counter vitamins and supplements he took daily.

He also asserted three or four tests should have been administered.

The appellate court rejected that view, noting the Waterford police department’s policy was based on guidelines from the state Attorney General’s Office.

It said procedural violations had not affected the test’s results, and noted Staiger had not refuted testimony from an expert witness that it was “impossible” for a human body to produce naturally the results seen in Staiger’s urine sample.

It said the lower court judge had found “sufficient competent evidence supported the charges against the plaintiff” and that Staiger's dismissal “was not a shockingly unfair result.”

Cop loses badge over steroids test

Cops are a miserable, unlikeable lot - in a way nice to see one of them caught by the idiotic laws they enjoy throwing at us. But, I should be nice and say that it's too bad that our totalitarian (and in this case misandric) drug laws keep harming people.
 
Cops are a miserable, unlikeable lot - in a way nice to see one of them caught by the idiotic laws they enjoy throwing at us. But, I should be nice and say that it's too bad that our totalitarian (and in this case misandric) drug laws keep harming people.
Cops don't make laws.. Just enforce them. And unfortunately yes some of them are completely stupid.
 
Cops don't make laws.. Just enforce them. And unfortunately yes some of them are completely stupid.

That's the Auschwitz excuse - just following orders, Sir!

Just so you don't think I'm a pinko hippie, I was in BDUs for years, not police but in uniform, my sister lives in Europe, married to a high level cop (national security jibber-jabber) and my dad is a retired SoCal Sheriff - we've got it in the family. And these days it's BS, precisely because just about all the laws are BS. Anyone joining today should know that, if they still join, they're either inherently unemployable, or sadistic assholes.

I got pulled over a few years ago, locally, all tail lights out on the wife's car, and as I stood there talking to the cop, all friendl- like, he asks me "are you drunk? you don't seem afraid of me" - really? That's so revealing, such losers.

Go ahead, join, and then lose contact with reality as you blend into the hated blue (nearly black these days, as in SWAT black) machine.

"Revenuer" - that's what my ret. Sheriff dad calls cops these days. And various unprintable things.
 
That's the Auschwitz excuse - just following orders, Sir!

Just so you don't think I'm a pinko hippie, I was in BDUs for years, not police but in uniform, my sister lives in Europe, married to a high level cop (national security jibber-jabber) and my dad is a retired SoCal Sheriff - we've got it in the family. And these days it's BS, precisely because just about all the laws are BS. Anyone joining today should know that, if they still join, they're either inherently unemployable, or sadistic assholes.

I got pulled over a few years ago, locally, all tail lights out on the wife's car, and as I stood there talking to the cop, all friendl- like, he asks me "are you drunk? you don't seem afraid of me" - really? That's so revealing, such losers.

Go ahead, join, and then lose contact with reality as you blend into the hated blue (nearly black these days, as in SWAT black) machine.

"Revenuer" - that's what my ret. Sheriff dad calls cops these days. And various unprintable things.
My department is very good, and in a very high income area. Yeah man there are a lot of assholes. There are a lot of men in there that take it for some sort of power trip. That's bullshit and I wouldn't be afraid to call it out either. Policing is not just about enforcing the laws and especially not about being intimidating, it's about helping the community and keeping it safe, or at least it SHOULD still be that way, and that's the way I intend to make it. I have NO desire to be on some sort of power trip. I just want to help and the FD has no interest to me. There's such a bad stigma of police officers lately because there's a war between LE and criminals (surprise) but these criminals are somehow made out to be victims because half of the interaction is caught on camera and then people just assume the worst. Like Tamir Rice.. The only thing he was a victim of was very fucking bad parenting that didn't allow him the skills to make a smart decision, and the parents allowed him to have that bullshit fake gun without any regards to the possible dangers it may cause. I get what you're saying dude and I agree entirely.. But there's still good in some people and I want to be one of those.
 
My department is very good, and in a very high income area. Yeah man there are a lot of assholes. There are a lot of men in there that take it for some sort of power trip. That's bullshit and I wouldn't be afraid to call it out either. Policing is not just about enforcing the laws and especially not about being intimidating, it's about helping the community and keeping it safe, or at least it SHOULD still be that way, and that's the way I intend to make it. I have NO desire to be on some sort of power trip. I just want to help and the FD has no interest to me. There's such a bad stigma of police officers lately because there's a war between LE and criminals (surprise) but these criminals are somehow made out to be victims because half of the interaction is caught on camera and then people just assume the worst. Like Tamir Rice.. The only thing he was a victim of was very fucking bad parenting that didn't allow him the skills to make a smart decision, and the parents allowed him to have that bullshit fake gun without any regards to the possible dangers it may cause. I get what you're saying dude and I agree entirely.. But there's still good in some people and I want to be one of those.

Commendable attitude - you sound like the kind of person that joined the force when my dad started out in the 60s. That was before the SWAT movement and forfeiture laws from the "war on drugs" boondoggle kicked in and corrupted everything. Then came no-knocks and now it's escalated to the point that as an ordinary citizen (and I'm an affluent white guy - and I'm 180 degrees away from the BLM idiots) the cops are the ones I fear the most. I think the average gun-toting thug would would show more restraint in pulling the trigger than the average cop these days.

Before you join, realize that you WILL get sucked into outcome-based enforcement - and you'll have to deal with inferior (capability) minorities and females that will have it far easier than you to get promoted. Depending on city and county, you might have a highly adversarial relationship with the DA's office.

Then there's the blue line peer pressure - you'll be a rookie for years, and your attitude will adjust to the prevailing dept attitude, so what you hold high now, might not ring true to the person you've become after 5 years on the force.

And regardless of who you are, good or bad, people still won't like you - you're one of them.

Good luck.
 
Bottom line is if I'm not running the streets doing dumb shut I don't have problems with cops. I always mouthed off to them and showed zero respect when confronted by them. Fast forward a decade I treat them with respect we wind up bullshitting about fishing for 10 minutes and I'm on my way with a warming instead of on my way in the back of the county jail van. It's pretty simple really.
 
Bottom line is if I'm not running the streets doing dumb shut I don't have problems with cops. I always mouthed off to them and showed zero respect when confronted by them. Fast forward a decade I treat them with respect we wind up bullshitting about fishing for 10 minutes and I'm on my way with a warming instead of on my way in the back of the county jail van. It's pretty simple really.
Quite often it's not what is said its how it's said that matters. This applies to all conversations. Not just with cops.

Now if only most people realized that and worked to communicate what way, it'd be soooo nice to communicate.

Remember mama always said, you catch more flies with honey ;)
 
My department is very good, and in a very high income area. Yeah man there are a lot of assholes. There are a lot of men in there that take it for some sort of power trip. That's bullshit and I wouldn't be afraid to call it out either. Policing is not just about enforcing the laws and especially not about being intimidating, it's about helping the community and keeping it safe, or at least it SHOULD still be that way, and that's the way I intend to make it. I have NO desire to be on some sort of power trip. I just want to help and the FD has no interest to me. There's such a bad stigma of police officers lately because there's a war between LE and criminals (surprise) but these criminals are somehow made out to be victims because half of the interaction is caught on camera and then people just assume the worst. Like Tamir Rice.. The only thing he was a victim of was very fucking bad parenting that didn't allow him the skills to make a smart decision, and the parents allowed him to have that bullshit fake gun without any regards to the possible dangers it may cause. I get what you're saying dude and I agree entirely.. But there's still good in some people and I want to be one of those.
Not trying to be a creeper or anything but were you on cycle when you got hired or did you wait and do it later in your career. I ask this because a Deputy in my area is late 30's and this guy posts on his Facebook showing pictures of his 19 inch arms and flat veiny abs and you'd have to be a idiot to think hes natural because he has pictures where you can tell hes off cycle and on cycle every couple of months... Idk how he gets away with it I guess cause he was a former SF Marine. If the men in blue really turn a blind eye to its officers on gear then I wouldn't mind applying to the Border Patrol instead of being a Paramedic or Personal trainer.
 
Not trying to be a creeper or anything but were you on cycle when you got hired or did you wait and do it later in your career. I ask this because a Deputy in my area is late 30's and this guy posts on his Facebook showing pictures of his 19 inch arms and flat veiny abs and you'd have to be a idiot to think hes natural because he has pictures where you can tell hes off cycle and on cycle every couple of months... Idk how he gets away with it I guess cause he was a former SF Marine. If the men in blue really turn a blind eye to its officers on gear then I wouldn't mind applying to the Border Patrol instead of being a Paramedic or Personal trainer.
I haven't been hired on yet. Still in process. I think it's just department dependant though how they take the AAS use
 
I haven't been hired on yet. Still in process. I think it's just department dependant though how they take the AAS use
Yea but I just don't see myself ever taking that kind of chance. Too many risks involved. Good luck though and please don't be the guy that gives a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign long enough.
 
I know cops that take gear. There are a shit load of them at my gym and for the most part they're all awesome guys. It's just shitty that one of us could be arrested for something they're doing themselves.
 
I know cops that take gear. There are a shit load of them at my gym and for the most part they're all awesome guys. It's just shitty that one of us could be arrested for something they're doing themselves.
So could they. They don't go off spouting about their use (one would assume), just like we don't about ours.
 
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