Texas.Redneck
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Texas.Redneck
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My main update for cycle thread is total Lethargic feeling all week. If I had to guess, I think I started to slip behind on sleep and it was like a domino effect. I started week staying up late a couple nights and then a couple nights couldn't sleep choking on sinus drainage. My sex drive is high, my workouts seem fine, no bloating, etc. But man I just felt like shit this week. like just laying on the floor in my apartment without energy to get up and make my usual shake before bed or even energy to get on this forum and bug you guys and I just wanted to lay down and zone out all day.
I get up at 5:30am for my workouts so if i'm not in bed by 9:30'ish I start to get effed up pretty bad and hard to get caught back up Monday through Friday. Anyways, that is just my hypothesis. Let me know if you all have any other diagnosis I should look into.
I get up at 5:30am for my workouts so if i'm not in bed by 9:30'ish I start to get effed up pretty bad and hard to get caught back up Monday through Friday. Anyways, that is just my hypothesis. Let me know if you all have any other diagnosis I should look into.
Texas.Redneck
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Now I'm looking at the Test Flue symptom list and this seems to nail my past week:
***8226; fever (low grade)
***8226; severe aches and pains in the joints and muscles
***8226; generalized weakness
***8226; fatigue
***8226; headache
***8226; dry cough
***8226; sore throat and watery discharge from your nose
I had the headache, dry cough and sore throat which I had attributed previously to allergies. This makes more sense if we were going to compare to Estrogen related sides because on the Estrogen related sides the lethargy, fatigue, poor sense of well being, etc. are all on the Low Estrogen list. I really doubt I have low E as i'm on a very low AI dose as it is (0.2 to 0.3mg eod).
***8226; fever (low grade)
***8226; severe aches and pains in the joints and muscles
***8226; generalized weakness
***8226; fatigue
***8226; headache
***8226; dry cough
***8226; sore throat and watery discharge from your nose
I had the headache, dry cough and sore throat which I had attributed previously to allergies. This makes more sense if we were going to compare to Estrogen related sides because on the Estrogen related sides the lethargy, fatigue, poor sense of well being, etc. are all on the Low Estrogen list. I really doubt I have low E as i'm on a very low AI dose as it is (0.2 to 0.3mg eod).
Texas.Redneck
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Yeah Test Flu is stupid diagnosis. I'm back to my original Low Estrogen diagnosis. All my cold like and allergy symptoms are gone and I still feel completely lethargic and fatigued. I think I just had a little bug earlier this week or allergies like I thought. It took everything in me to turn on my computer just now and I was only able to do it because I have a slight bit of stress to drive me because I have to do some work I told my boss I'd get done this weekend.
I slept plenty Friday and Saturday night (about 9 hours) yet I just barely have spurts of energy like when I go to gym or make myself eat. I think I really underestimated how powerful the Arimidex is even though I thought I was relatively safe on a low dose (~0.2mg to ~0.4mg eod). So besides bloodwork (which I'm working on a way to get that because I don't want to go to my regular physician) so besides bloodwork how do I make adjustments?
I was thinking just back off Arimidex rest of week and wait until I start seeing some of the sides of High Estrogen (if any). I'm not talking about being a dumbass and waiting until my nipples itch before starting again. I'm just referring to keeping a close watch for some of the milder sides like water retention, ED, insomnia, emotional, etc. Then can I go e3d or do I need to slice these caps into even smaller pieces? I basically 1/3'd a 1mg pill because the damn things were shaped like a triangle which did not make convenient for cutting into 1/4 pieces.
Texas.Redneck
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Today starts week 5. My newbie question of the week is that after my shot this morning, it doesn't look like I have 1cc left in my vial for wednesday. Say I only have 1/2 or 3/4 cc, should I just inject that Wednesday and open my new vial next Sunday? Or bust open new vial to top off cc?
For my update today, finally got that Arimadex flushed out of my system and today is really my first day feeling back to the way I did before my estrogen levels tanked. It took a good week to get back to this. It's Sunday now and my last AI was 7 days ago. That was not fun at all. A vet on another forum says these underground labs sometimes overdose their arimadex. Anyways, after that experience I'm definitely in the camp of less is more. I've been kind of suspect of some of the forums that they prescribe way too many drugs to begin with instead of seeing how body reacts (i.e. starting AI and HCG immediately without even seeing how it goes).
As far as results, I weighed in at 196 mid week (started cycle at 190). I squatted 315 x 5 reps yesterday with ease (started cycle around 275). These were high bar back squats below parallel. Today is my Olympic lifting day. I'll weigh in and post update on O'lift progress later
For my update today, finally got that Arimadex flushed out of my system and today is really my first day feeling back to the way I did before my estrogen levels tanked. It took a good week to get back to this. It's Sunday now and my last AI was 7 days ago. That was not fun at all. A vet on another forum says these underground labs sometimes overdose their arimadex. Anyways, after that experience I'm definitely in the camp of less is more. I've been kind of suspect of some of the forums that they prescribe way too many drugs to begin with instead of seeing how body reacts (i.e. starting AI and HCG immediately without even seeing how it goes).
As far as results, I weighed in at 196 mid week (started cycle at 190). I squatted 315 x 5 reps yesterday with ease (started cycle around 275). These were high bar back squats below parallel. Today is my Olympic lifting day. I'll weigh in and post update on O'lift progress later
Go get your bloodwork done. I doubt your adex was overdosed. It's not impossible. But it's more likely that it was too much dex for whatever the dosage of your test actually is. Go get bloodwork and all the conjecture and guess work of what guys on the forums tell you won't be an issue anymore. Youre far enough along now if u get blood drawn end of this week you'll get accurate representation of your levels. Theres a thread stickied in lab testing that'll tell u exactly what test to get. Go check it out if you don't already know.
CdnGuy
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Cool Avi OP 
GL on the run
GL on the run
Texas.Redneck
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So this is week 6 and i'm struggling with a few things. First i got itchy nips now. I didnt pay much attention last two days but by end of today I definitly have itchy nips. I stopped AI 2 weeks ago because my estrogen levels crashed and i felt like shit. Now I am back to feeling great but getting itchy nips. I started back on AI with dose yesterday and today. Do I need to take any other precautions such as a big dose of AI to load it back up in system.
Second, Work schedule is messing up last half of cycle and i am considering stopping. You can see thread on that i started here
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/686124-work-schedule-interfering-last-half-cycle-suggestions.html
I actually skipped my sunday shot because I was considering ending cycle but thinking about starting again with my wednesday shot and just finishing cycle even though I will be struggling with only 3 workouts a week (if that) and averaging only 6-7 hours of sleep per night. I think I can keep diet decent. I already opened second vial so I'm incline to finish it. Worse case scenario is i dont work out as much. So will that reslly mess up my body on Test?
CdnGuy
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Dude do you have nova on hand?If so start taking 20mg ed til itchyness is gone. Letro is another one you can use for itchness. You crashed your estro, so you mean you got bloodwork done? If not I suggest doing it, then adjust the Ai accordingly.Can't help ya with work schedule bro, all I suggest is getting up real early and training or training after work. GL
Texas.Redneck
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Possibly false alarm. Lol. I forget i went over my chest hairs with clippers the other morning. And it gets kind of itchy at end of day i noticed maybe from undershirt and cause i trimmed it. Hahaha. Or.....or maybe itchy boobs. Lol
CdnGuy
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You will know quick if it's just that or gyno bro. Keep a close eye and have nova or letro ready if needed.GL
Texas.Redneck
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When i said i crashed estro, I started arimadex about .3-.4 eod (its an estimate because my pills were odd shaped triangles and broke in half uneven so i started with small pieces. About 10-14 days after starting arimadex i could hardly find the energy to get off my apartment floor to move to eat or go to work or do anything. I was like wtf is wrong with me because the second and third weeks i felt amazing on test (i didnt start ai until second week) finally i realized it had ro be low estrogen and stopped arimadex. About a week later i felt amazing again and havent taken arimadex since for last two weeks. I feel great now so really dont wanna get back on it.
Texas.Redneck
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I have nolva
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Go get bloodwork
Texas.Redneck
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Week 6 update. So I skipped my Sunday shot because I was thought I was going to have to quit my cycle due to my work schedule but then I changed my mind and I'm going to stick through it. So I just did my Wednesday shot a little early and added about an extra 1/4cc to my shot. I'll get back on regular Sun/Wed shot schedule going forward. I skipped almost a whole week of workouts last wednesday to this wednesday. So really just a bad week that I need to put behind me. That whole itchy nipples thing I think was just me being paranoid. I'm pretty sure it's because I ran over my chest hairs with my hair clippers Monday morning and it was getting scratchy on my chest. Here are the progress pics I took this morning:
Megadick3000
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Look at it this way bro. If you stop the testosterone from converting to estrogen, guess what? You have more available testosterone.
If you take 500mg of test and let's say 10% converts to estrogen your actually only taking 450mg.
kaigab
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you are doing it wrong, since the start.
It's your first cycle, you need regular blood work to see how your body react, if your gear is overdosed or underdosed.
You keep running AI based on "itchy nipples", "how i felt this morning" and other stupid feelings that may simply be created by your own mind. Go mind...high estrogen sides are very similar to low estro sides...and water retention can also be caused by crappy diet and lot of salty foods.
My advice:
- run test 500 mg per week, and do blood work (test and more important Estradiol)
- after you see the results you will know how to proceed
- if estro is higher than 30-40 (depending on your baseline pre cycle) add arimidex or aromasin (small dose) then after 1-2 weeks redo the blood work.
PS my friend got gyno by 250mg per week of sustanon in his '30s...everyone reacts differently.
It's your first cycle, you need regular blood work to see how your body react, if your gear is overdosed or underdosed.
You keep running AI based on "itchy nipples", "how i felt this morning" and other stupid feelings that may simply be created by your own mind. Go mind...high estrogen sides are very similar to low estro sides...and water retention can also be caused by crappy diet and lot of salty foods.
My advice:
- run test 500 mg per week, and do blood work (test and more important Estradiol)
- after you see the results you will know how to proceed
- if estro is higher than 30-40 (depending on your baseline pre cycle) add arimidex or aromasin (small dose) then after 1-2 weeks redo the blood work.
PS my friend got gyno by 250mg per week of sustanon in his '30s...everyone reacts differently.
Texas.Redneck
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I finished my cycle. On Wednesday (two days from now) will be the 14 day after my last injection and the day I should start my PCT. So I feel fine right now as far as sex drive, workouts, etc. i have some depression but I think circumstantial unrelated to steroids (women and kid issues need I say more). So the question is do I really need to run a PCT cycle?
i have plenty of nolva and clomid so not trying to be cheap or anything. I don't like the idea of using drugs that I don't need. At 12 days after last injection, plus the fact my last injection was only 1/2 cc, i would think it is mostly out of my system. I assumed I would have low t symptoms like lack of sex drive, etc. indicating the need for PCT but maybe I am wrong....
i have plenty of nolva and clomid so not trying to be cheap or anything. I don't like the idea of using drugs that I don't need. At 12 days after last injection, plus the fact my last injection was only 1/2 cc, i would think it is mostly out of my system. I assumed I would have low t symptoms like lack of sex drive, etc. indicating the need for PCT but maybe I am wrong....
