There is a normal recipe like ours. But, our also accept customized, if needed. To prevent the under dosage and make sure the stuffs deserve the money, try to ask make sure you got the high purity stuffs(99%).
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There is a normal recipe like ours. But, our also accept customized, if needed. To prevent the under dosage and make sure the stuffs deserve the money, try to ask make sure you got the high purity stuffs(99%).
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wow, I can't believe you went there so quickly.
I'm not going to bother arguing this with you if you're going to get all pissy about it. It would be nice if we could have an intelligent and mature discussion where everyone can share there views and experiences without being attacked, but obviously you feel your way is the only way and everyone else is wrong and nothing I or anyone else can say is going to change your mind.
wow, I can't believe you went there so quickly.
I'm not going to bother arguing this with you if you're going to get all pissy about it. It would be nice if we could have an intelligent and mature discussion where everyone can share there views and experiences without being attacked, but obviously you feel your way is the only way and everyone else is wrong and nothing I or anyone else can say is going to change your mind.
I provided many reasons that your suggestion wasn't in the best interest of most individuals who are actually ready for an aas cycle. If this is your only response instead of defending your position with logical reasons that I am incorrect, then obviously I WAS right. If u took my post as an attack then you havent been actually attacked on meso yet. I'm all ears if you'd still like to supply a reason that what I said was unfitting advice.
johnnydoe
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Thanks for all your replies guys. I'm just wanting to do everything right and safely. I've done a lot of research before I decided to do a cycle. I've read Anabolics by William Llewellyn, Chemical Muscle Enhancement by L. Rea, The Complete Steroid Handbook by Hardcore, and Underground Anabolics by William Llewellyn and Ronny Tober. I didn't just up and decide to do a cycle, I've been planning and researching so I can get everything right. I just wanted you guys support and corrections if I do anything wrong. I've pretty much decided to go with test E for my first cycle 500mg/week for 12 weeks, .5mg Arimidex eod, and Clomid for pct. Did any of you guys run that same cycle for your first time? I would like to hear your experience (gains made, sides that occured, etc.)
Many have ran that cycle for their first. If ur gear is good and your ancillaries are legit, you should do well and be fine under most circumstances. Some things we can tell you over and over and you still just won't understand some things until youve done it. Good luck and welcome
johnnydoe
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Looks like my cycle is going to start Monday. 250mg test E 2x/week. Gear should be g2g and AI pharm grade. I'm really looking forward to it. I just wanted to ask you guys when I would start noticing effects this being a long ester only. I was reading some other posts and they said it takes about three weeks. Is that the concincus around here? I'm going to start a log and post some pics also. Any more advice before I start this cycle?
2-3 weeks some of the smaller changes. Maybe increased libido, little more motivated in the gym. Mostly mental stuff, some even placebo. 4-6 weeks, def by week 6, it's game on. You might not notice the changes at first, but when it's all said and done you'll be able to look back and see how much progress u made if you train and eat to support your goal, whatever that may be.
johnnydoe
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Thanks man. Trying to gain mass and strength. Got full panel bloods done a month or so ago. It was for something else but I got my dr to pull it up and check everything so I would know everything was g2g. I'll get a print out on it next time I go. Everything was in normal ranges. I'll try to get bloods done during cycle and after for comparison.
Whoremoans
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Dude fuck that lol. Some TRT clinics prescribe 250mg/wk. for a test only cycle I think 400mg is the absolute minimum.
Whoremoans
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By week 4 you're going to be a hard dick, strong as fuck, alpha mother fucker. I miss my first cycle lol.
Well if you'd stop attacking him he'd be willing to have an educated convo about why he's right! Pshh haha
johnnydoe
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Def going to do at least 500. If I'm going to do it I'm going to do enough to get some decent results. Might even bump it to 600/week.
That is EXACTLY what I'm going for.
johnnydoe
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Hey man all my stuff touched down today so I'm starting Sunday or Monday. I just had a couple more questions if you could give me your opinion. When should I start taking adex? Should I start as soon as I start pinning or wait till the test accumulates in my system? I've just read different views on the subject. I want to be safe as possible but it seems like it would be wasting some of the first adex. Another thing, would you suggest me get some hcg to start running from my last pin till I start Clomid pct? I might get some Nolvadex to run with the Clomid also. I'm just wanting to do all this right and keep as much of my gains as possible. Thanks for all your advice.
Well, the adex thing can be personal, something u learn with experience. Personally, I have always started my adex the first day I pin, even with long ester gear. It paid off for me, bc after a couple rounds of bloodwork I find that I aromatize in the high normal range compared to most people ive compared to. So starting the first day, @ .5 eod, the adex builds up and is working full throttle about the same time the test or other compounds are. Starting right away is a given if your kick-starting with dbol , as its half life is very short and can aromatize quickly as well. Like I said, it's something u learn.about yourself with experience and bloodwork is the key here. I can't remember if u got precycle bloods but if you haven't please do. You won't get that chance ever again and you'll regret if u don't. I promise. Do ur mid cycle bloods around 5-6 weeks and adjust from there.
As for the nolva, clomid question, yes, I would grab nolva to go with the clomid. Nolva is superior for boosting test levels , only made better by also.using clomid. Only reason to use clomid only is if u happen to have an adverse reaction to nolva. Bill Roberts has written if using both to only use half doses of each compared to if using them alone. Using both is beneficial in recovery bc they have slight variances in how they stimulate the pituatary.
The hcg is probably best to get another opinion on. I haven't used it. Never had too much trouble recovering with pct and time. But I won't discount the fact that I may need it in the future, or that it has been beneficial to others. Hope this helps.
johnnydoe
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Thanks bro. I got full panel bloods done a month or two ago for a routine check at my doc. I got him to pull it up and go over some stuff with me (because I wanted to check and make sure I was g2g I was already planning and researching my cycle). I was mostly asking him about my lipid values and liver stuff because I was planning on running dbol. Everything on my blood test was in the normal levels. I'm unsure what my test and e2 levels were but it was in normal ranges. My cholesterol was a little high but still in normal range. I'll call my doc tomorrow and see if he will fax me a copy. I was really wanting to kick start it with dbol but I've decided to wait on that. First cycle will be just test so I can get bloods done and get a better understanding of my body's reaction to it. Next cycle will probably be test and dbol then I'll see where I want to go from there. I'll get some nolva on the way soon and do that with my Clomid. Thanks again bro for all the help.
johnnydoe
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Hey man, got my first pin down Sunday. Going to go for Sun and Wednesday on my schedule. I did 1.25ml around 12 or 1 pm in the glute. Anyways my ass is sore as hell Today. It was sore yesterday too. I just wanted to check and make sure it's normal and see if I can do anything to help it any. Yes I know some soreness will be normal because I stuck a needle in me and injected foreign material. I'm more asking if there is anything I can do to reduce soreness. It feels like a bruise. I was really wanting to hit legs in the gym today but dont know if I'll be able to. I used a 22 or 23 gauge 1 1/2". Thanks again man. You've been a lot of help to me.
Nothing to worry about. Take an NSAID if the pain is unbearable, but it's best to just toughen up. It'll be less of a problem once you're used to injections and injection technique improves.
johnnydoe
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Thanks again bro. I just didn't know exactly what to expect. I figured it would be sore for a day or so and then be gone. Its not that bad. Feels like a bruise like I got hit with a baseball or something. Im sure some of the reason was on my part being not experienced. It was an awkward position trying to pin there and my hand wasn't as steady as it should have been. I'm just going to work through it and hit the gym hard tonight. Also I heard that the gear I have is overdosed a good bit. If it is that might have added to the irritation. Going to try my leg tomorrow maybe it'll be easier and less painful.
I've heard nothing but nightmares stories about pinning quads from guys I know personally, but people on the net do it all the time. If u go that route good luck. Warming oil and pinning slowly can help. And don't worry, pip can last damn near a week. If it ain't cleared by then and has any serious swelling or warmth u may have a problem, but ime if your sanitary with ur shit it's very unlikely to get any infection. Just be liberal with the 90% alcohol and ur good to go.
You can use a 25 GA... go deep in the muscle also, don't half ass it.
I don't recommend pinning quads.
Hitting legs is good for pip ime. Massage the oil into the muscle, get a got shower, get GF to massage ass, fuck her, and do lifts in gym that get blood into the pinned muscle... You'll have minimal pip. I've never had any pip that was that bad at all following the above.
