even if i wont grow vertically, ill gain some muscle mass. No?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
peptides for vertical growth (19 y/o)
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Of course no medical professional will support this treatment but that's not the point. He needs to listen to an MD tell him everything that could possibly go wrong with this experiment.
What is the worst case scenario and can you handle it. That is the question.
so your telling me to talk to my doc about it? im not sure shed know anything about peptides..
ironwill1951
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you are now banned to the kiddie corner thread, go their immediately.
Bradly
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Anamorelin is an oral gh secretagogue like mk 677 ibutamoren. In 3rd stage clinical trials,it looks heavier dutier than mk 677.
These are not anabolic steroids, I believe they are considered a type of sarm. Anyway impact on the liver I believe is negligible.
I've looked at clinical trials where they used peptides on kids with short stature issues, results weren't very good.
If you have the money, go the seostim route. Go over to drugs . com and look at somastatin (I believe) they'll have your dosing guidelines for what you intend. Then use a medical calculator to figure out how much things will cost. Seros are out there and they don't necessarily need to cost an arm and leg especially if you buy in bulk
Now fly little friend fly, time is of the essence, and let Google be your friend.
Cheers
Megadick3000
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GH would be better than peptides as Bradly says. Peptides will be easier for you to come by though and cheaper, Google will give you what you need.
Peptides to be dissolved in bacteriostatic water.
Any aromatase inhibitor will suffice.
Your wrong on the ages of the longitudinal growth plates. endochondral ossification at these growth plates usually ceases in late teens in males, mid teens for girls.
There's always variations some earlier some later. Teens with no aromatase enzyme gene mutations never stop growing taller until they are given synthetic estrogens.
Peptides to be dissolved in bacteriostatic water.
Any aromatase inhibitor will suffice.
Your wrong on the ages of the longitudinal growth plates. endochondral ossification at these growth plates usually ceases in late teens in males, mid teens for girls.
There's always variations some earlier some later. Teens with no aromatase enzyme gene mutations never stop growing taller until they are given synthetic estrogens.
ironwill1951
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Megadick3000
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Endochondral ossification, the process through which longitudinal growth plates grow through. Has two sides to it, one is the process of chondrogenesis which involves the recruitment of stem cells -> differentiation into chondrocytes -> proliferation -> hypertrophy -> excretion of Collagen X into the para-cellular spaces -> cellular apoptosis. Once the chondrocyte (cartilage cell) dies, chondrogenesis is complete and osteogenesis proceeds.
Osteogenesis is when veins invade the cartilage matrix and brings osteoblasts. The osteoblasts jizz out osteocin which is bone matrix into the cavities leftover from the chondrocytes. Repeat.
The growth plates progress in senescence when osteogenesis exceeds the rate of chondrogenesis and thus the growth plate gets narrower and narrower until it reaches the opposite side.
ironwill1951
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I'm sorry but may I ask where did you buy all those big words ?
is there one from pepUSA i could order? it looks like they have good prices for everything except bac water...
Bradly
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Some ai can boost igf levels, I think a couple can lower igf as well. I think aromasin will get The highest igf boost but there's a risk of scoliosis but op at 19 is prolly beyond that. After that I think is adex but I could be mistaken. Might in fact be letro.
Probably the best thread on the subject I've seen.
I'd like to bring up the ocandrolone studies but, 1. Those were done on little little kids tanner stage 1 or 2 and 2. I'd be tarred and feathered round here for advocating the methodology
mudbutt22
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You're 5'9" man not 5'3" don't fucking worry about it. I posted this an another thread but 5'9" is about the average height for us males. You're going to do all that shit just to squeeze out an inch or two of your lucky? It's your life but it seems pretty stupid to me.
Megadick3000
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Bradly the reason for using an AI has nothing to do with igf-1. It has been proven unequivocally that estrogen is responsible for cessation of longitudinal bone growth. When estrogen is reduced a person can delay fusion of the growth plates.
This role of estrogen was discovered when doctors noticed that some people never stopped growing taller. They did genetic testing and found those ppl had mutations in their aromatase enzyme gene, thus they had no estrogen, as a result their epiphyseal growth plates never fused despite being adults, and they continued to grow taller. They were treated with synthetic estrogen and it resulted in fusion of the growth plates.
They then hypothesized that giving aromatase enzyme inhibitors to actively growing children and adolescents would delay growth plate fusion and allow them to achieve greater height than their genetic potential. The clinical studies they did of this nature proved the theory true.
Taking it even further, one individual who never stopped growing taller was identified with estrogen levels present but minimal growth plate senescence (progression towards fusion). He had functional aromatase enzyme genes, but still has no fusion. Further genetic testing in him found that he had a gene mutation that caused his body to have no estrogen receptor subtype A, but he did have subtype B receptors. This individuals anomaly demonstrated that fusion of the growth plates is unequivocally mediated by estrogen receptor subtype A (ER-a) binding activity of estrogen. I do not know how they treated this individual, because the lack of receptor would mean synthetic estrogens would not cause fusion like in ppl with aromatase enzyme mutations. They maybe surgically removed the growth plates? I don't see how else they'd stop his growth.
This estrogenic action on EGP fusion is the reason women stop growing sooner than men and are generally shorter on average, they have higher estrogen receptor subtype A binding activity going on in their bodies.
Thus an AI works by preventing growth plate fusion prolonging the growth period in a growing person.
GH/igf-1 work by increasing chondrocytes proliferation and hypetrophy, thus accelerating the speed of chondrogenesis in the EGP and probably also impacting osteogenesis to an extent.
Androgens also accelerate growth but I'm not sure of the mechanism wether impacting chondrogenesis/osteogenesis directly or wether by impacting igf-1 mediation of chondrogenesis.
bro, ill gain muscle in the process though, even if it doesnt work. Everyone on here makes it seem pretty safe anyways. is their any sides i dont know about?
Megadick3000
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^ your starting to annoy me. 5 fucking minutes of effort could find you everything you need. Stop acting like it's hard because you want to be spoon fed everything. It's time to do shit yourself if your going to do it at all. You don't need anyone to tell you where to get shit, literally 15 seconds of googling will give you what you need.
And your not going to gain muscle, GH and/or peptides have very minimal effect on muscle growth, if you think running an AI plus peptides will make you jacked your straight tripping balls.
And your not going to gain muscle, GH and/or peptides have very minimal effect on muscle growth, if you think running an AI plus peptides will make you jacked your straight tripping balls.
Bradly
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yeah,I know but extra igf is a bonus
im just trying to see if you guys have good, reputable sources you would recommend. Im doing a lot of research, and a lot of questions im asking is to confirm what iv already read. People are always talking about how their is fake AIs and stuff out there, so im just trying to confirm. I thanks for all your help and info, but you dont have to be a Megadick about it.
freakspeed
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#1 This isn't a source board.....I don't know how many times y'all come in here on this "I need a reputable source" right away nobody can tell you a reputable source. And anyone who does right off the bat is 9/10 trying to sell you some garbage.
As far as this whole experiment goes...I know that some cases doctors prescribe growth hormone treatments for children in puberty that are extremely short. At 19, the chances of a doctor giving you anything are slim to none. The chances of you growing vertically off of growth hormone with your growth plates almost completely fused are slim to none. Your natural production of GH is very high right now, and it seems like a huge waste of money, and GH.
The best teacher in life is often experience. So maybe you just need to make a really dumb decision, like buying some really low quality GH off of a UGL, and seeing it do next to nothing before you realize the error in your ways.
As far as this whole experiment goes...I know that some cases doctors prescribe growth hormone treatments for children in puberty that are extremely short. At 19, the chances of a doctor giving you anything are slim to none. The chances of you growing vertically off of growth hormone with your growth plates almost completely fused are slim to none. Your natural production of GH is very high right now, and it seems like a huge waste of money, and GH.
The best teacher in life is often experience. So maybe you just need to make a really dumb decision, like buying some really low quality GH off of a UGL, and seeing it do next to nothing before you realize the error in your ways.
There was a guy on reddit who reported an increase of 2 inches in a month by using this. He was 20 or so, young but not at puberty.
And the above combo makes sense as it induces growth hormone pulses rather than a gh bleed. That's how the male body handles gh so it should be your best shot.
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