Opinions on my homebrew and blood work

[mghoward74]

You're never going to get pure raws that hasn't been step on. This is why 10-20 or 25% overdose is common with home brewing.

Get in touch with the supplier and see how they're going to handle it.

I'd make another small batch and try it again. Then get bloods

 

[mjf]

You're never going to get pure raws that hasn't been step on. This is why 10-20 or 25% overdose is common with home brewing.

Get in touch with the supplier and see how they're going to handle it.

I'd make another small batch and try it again. Then get bloods

Sounds ok. I don't think it's completely bunk as my levels weren't zero. Luckily I only brewed 50ml of prop but I messed up my ba and bb amounts when I brewed my npp and had to make 100ml. So I wasted 10g of npp that is probably underdosed.

 

[mjf]

Maybe I'm overeacting a little. 150mg eod isn't really that much. I still expect it to be a little higher, but maybe most of my problem was me being naive and inexperienced and expecting to be able to plug values into a steroid calculator and my mix come out to the concentration it says it will.

I guess I'm saying their product isn't totally bunk because I'm registering a testosterone reading, I just need to brew it at a higher concentration and guess at what it really is. Still cheaper and less painful than the ugl gear I have.

 

[nophat]

Easy way is do a melting test
To see if hormones are close
To melting point
If you can do a shot at 150 mg and no pip your gear is probably
70% pure
Unless you did something better then we have to minimize pip
Npp should have no pip.
And tren can very put a little on your tongue you should have a terrible burning taste
I would recommend doing a melting test.

 

[nophat]

You think I should try the next brew at 2x the powder or give up, call this one a loss and toss this powder. In haste, I already ordered new powder from a more reputable, and more expensive, supplier.

I hate to waste 95 g of powder if I can find a way to reliably compensate for the underdose. But prop will only hold up to about 200mg/ml right? Will it hold if I brew it at 200mg maybe higher to account for the underdose? Would it need more bb?

1st who was the suppliers
That will give me an idea about the Raws.

 

[mjf]

1st who was the suppliers
That will give me an idea about the Raws.

Red Lion Pharm

I ended up emailing them last night to discuss things. I was a little rude but not too bad. Basically said what I've said here, product doesn't seem to be fake, but severely underdosed. I had a response this morning so we'll see what happens. I guess that's another reason I'm rethinking if I'm actually upset or if this is just the standard and you have to always account for underdosed powder. It does make it hard to figure out how much of what you're taking though.

 

[mjf]

I got my reply from red lion pharm. They asked for my bloodwork, which I sent with an explanation that I wasn't saying the product was fake, just maybe cut to the point where the steroid conversion calculator made a very weak concentration. And I explained how normally a 200mg/week trt dose of test e has put my total testosterone at slightly higher than what 150mg eod of this prop did.

I couldn't quite make out exactly what he was saying with the typos, but at one point he said, well, at least it was cheap, with a

I guess now I know why it was a little cheaper than the other two suppliers I looked at. It takes twice the powder to make the product at the concentration you want. Oh well, I'll just brew the rest when I need it using the overdose by 30% rule and just not have any idea how much I'm taking.

 

[Big_paul]

I couldn't help it. I decided to give this it's own thread. Disregard this same reply in my filtering thread.


I brewed my own prop and was taking it for about 2 weeks. I wasn't feeling like it was right, felt like it was crap powder and I got ripped off. So I stopped the npp and kept the test prop dosed at 150mg eod for a week, then pulled some blood work. My tt came back at 1132ng/dL on a range of 250-1100 scale. It's not totally bunk I guess but that's really low for that dose right?

I brewed it exactly as the recipe said, didn't add 10% powder as someone has since told me do to account for dirty/underdosed raws.

What's everyone's opinion here? Brew it at double the strength perthe recipe next time or what? Unfortunately I have npp and tren ace powder from the same place and there aren't blood tests to show if thise are disedcorrectly.

Unless there is testing that can be trusted, I assume 80%. It sucks to have to do that but no sense kidding yourself. I brewed some test cyp last year that was overdosed if anything. I'm using it my next blast.

 

[mjf]

Unless there is testing that can be trusted, I assume 80%. It sucks to have to do that but no sense kidding yourself. I brewed some test cyp last year that was overdosed if anything. I'm using it my next blast.

I'm not sure if I understand what exactly you're saying.

For the most part, i feel like I was being a big whiney baby. I tossed the weak test prop and brewed more. Being angry about it being weak, I calculated it at 180mg/ml, 50ml, 1%ba, 10% bb. That stuff kept crashing on me. I redid the calculation a couple times to increase the bb until I had it at about 13% and it was still forming crystals in the bottom of the beaker. I redid the calculation for 60ml and it still crashed. Did it again at 70ml and 12% bb before it finally held. So if I'm right that put the steroid calculator at 130mg/ml, which is about what someone told me to early on to use to account for not so great raws. I've had two pins of it and it's very smooth. I'm already well past the time frame for this cycle, but may run this a couple weeks and get blood work.

Basically, as I said in one of my earlier posts, the raws aren't bunk, yoi just need more powder.

 

[Big_paul]

I'm not sure if I understand what exactly you're saying.

For the most part, i feel like I was being a big whiney baby. I tossed the weak test prop and brewed more. Being angry about it being weak, I calculated it at 180mg/ml, 50ml, 1%ba, 10% bb. That stuff kept crashing on me. I redid the calculation a couple times to increase the bb until I had it at about 13% and it was still forming crystals in the bottom of the beaker. I redid the calculation for 60ml and it still crashed. Did it again at 70ml and 12% bb before it finally held. So if I'm right that put the steroid calculator at 130mg/ml, which is about what someone told me to early on to use to account for not so great raws. I've had two pins of it and it's very smooth. I'm already well past the time frame for this cycle, but may run this a couple weeks and get blood work.

Basically, as I said in one of my earlier posts, the raws aren't bunk, yoi just need more powder.

I'm saying that I assume that raws are 80% purity unless I see trusted test results. The test cyp I used last was supposedly 85% according to the source. I still assumed it was 80%. Sources have be known to fib.

I was going to ask how much bb you used. 180mg/ml isn't going to be dissolved completely by using 10% bb. It would crash at 20% at that concentration. I'm thinking you lost test in your filter as well. 100mg/ml is a more reasonable concentration for test prop.

 

[mjf]

Yeah. 100mg is what I was shooting for. Hopefully over calculating to 130mg will provide what I need.

 

[XKawN]

I'm not sure if I understand what exactly you're saying.

For the most part, i feel like I was being a big whiney baby. I tossed the weak test prop and brewed more. Being angry about it being weak, I calculated it at 180mg/ml, 50ml, 1%ba, 10% bb. That stuff kept crashing on me. I redid the calculation a couple times to increase the bb until I had it at about 13% and it was still forming crystals in the bottom of the beaker. I redid the calculation for 60ml and it still crashed. Did it again at 70ml and 12% bb before it finally held. So if I'm right that put the steroid calculator at 130mg/ml, which is about what someone told me to early on to use to account for not so great raws. I've had two pins of it and it's very smooth. I'm already well past the time frame for this cycle, but may run this a couple weeks and get blood work.

Basically, as I said in one of my earlier posts, the raws aren't bunk, yoi just need more powder.

Your recipe is fucked up. It's not gonna hold at 180mg/ml using this recipe.

 

[Big_paul]

Yeah. 100mg is what I was shooting for. Hopefully over calculating to 130mg will provide what I need.

Brewing is easy and you can work with any ester if you completely dissolve the raw with bb before adding your carrier. It has to stay in solution at room temp or a little cooler, before you add oil.

Let me know next time you brew. You will not make anymore mistakes.

 

[Nolimitbody]

My crashed last night test cyp not enough BB

 

[mghoward74]

Brewing is easy and you can work with any ester if you completely dissolve the raw with bb before adding your carrier. It has to stay in solution at room temp or a little cooler, before you add oil.

It's not proven that adding bb before carrier oil works better. I've done it both ways and everything comes out fantastic. I prefer warming the carrier oil, then adding raws, then ba\bb. You'll notice that once your raws dissolve fully, you can adjust the ba\bb. After letting it sit 24 hours (looking for crashing) is when it's important to either add more oil or a little bb. Afterwards, reheating and allowing it to cool and sit at room temperature again...


Respectfully

 

[Big_paul]

It's not proven that adding bb before carrier oil works better. I've done it both ways and everything comes out fantastic. I prefer warming the carrier oil, then adding raws, then ba\bb. You'll notice that once your raws dissolve fully, you can adjust the ba\bb. After letting it sit 24 hours (looking for crashing) is when it's important to either add more oil or a little bb. Afterwards, reheating and allowing it to cool and sit at room temperature again...


Respectfully

With all the problems I see guys having with their brew crashing and killer pip, I was wondering what they were doing. The method I use is easy to dose and measure. For instance, Dissolve 10 grams of test prop in a 100ml beaker. When it's dissolved add oil up to the 100ml mark and filter. I think I have more control over my solvents than you do and start to finish half an hour.

 

[Big_paul]

Try this method next time bro. It is much easier and a lot faster.

 

[Nolimitbody]

The reason for this crash I'm trying to comp for under dose . So just trying to get the gso low

 

[mghoward74]

With all the problems I see guys having with their brew crashing and killer pip, I was wondering what they were doing. The method I use is easy to dose and measure. For instance, Dissolve 10 grams of test prop in a 100ml beaker. When it's dissolved add oil up to the 100ml mark and filter. I think I have more control over my solvents than you do and start to finish half an hour.

30 minutes is right around the time I'm done....and that'd being extra extra careful. I just like watch raws dissolve in carrier oil, which to me is better. There's less chance of overheating the raw itself. I think most guys problems are they over think the process, plus having all the ingredients on the table in front of them gets overwhelming, while remaining sanitary...

 

[Docd187123]

It's not proven that adding bb before carrier oil works better. I've done it both ways and everything comes out fantastic. I prefer warming the carrier oil, then adding raws, then ba\bb. You'll notice that once your raws dissolve fully, you can adjust the ba\bb. After letting it sit 24 hours (looking for crashing) is when it's important to either add more oil or a little bb. Afterwards, reheating and allowing it to cool and sit at room temperature again...


Respectfully

It's probably not as accurate this way, especially if you're assuming low purity from the beginning. If you assume less purity it means the raws will displace a different amount of liquid once dissolved. So you can't calculate how much carrier oil you really need based off formulas. Your total volume might be under or over and at that point you're stuck with what you got bc any change will affect the ratio of BB, BA, and concentration of the hormone. That is unless you purposely leave some of the carrier oil out until the very end to get the desired volume.

What I do is figure out the concentration and volume I want to make. Calculate how much raws, BA, and BB I'll need. Fill a beaker to the total volume I want with water using a syringe to be as accurate as possible bc lines on a beaker can be off. Mark the line with a fine point marker. Empty beaker and dry it thoroughly with heat.

Add my raws BA and BB. Heat it till its dissolved. Then I'll add enough carrier oil to get to the line I drew. This way I'll have exactly the concentration I want (assuming the purity is what I assume it is lol) exactly the concentration of BA and BB I want, and the carrier oil volume used is what it has to be to get the correct volume.