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[Big pump]

I was thinking the same @Brad77 . Vascularity is something that happens as body fat drops and muscles get bigger. Plenty of guys have gotten more vascular running test only and dropping body fat.

I agree bf can drop and get more vascular on test only but under some conditions.... I know guys that never have to use a Ai uncommon for today because of the availability of them And these guys are old school a few of them don't use pct either. As far as test only everyone does respond differently. My upper body can get more vascular but my midsection while bloat some. Not a lot but enough to notice. I don't use a Ai as I'm fortunate enough to not have to many sides from aas except tren anger. Oh the rule of time exists for everyone. 11wks 2 days from first post to finishing 12week cycle is what I counted. Not to far off when considering vial/pin residual.

 

[Throwback]

I know test doesn't react the same way for everyone and I did notice some increased vascularity on test only but my diet wasn't complete shit and I was on .5 adex eod or e3d. Dude damn sure don't look 59 but who knows, it's the Internet. I'm with @Throwback on this one, how the hell do you not know what your putting into your body, not run an ai, eat shitty, and get leaner? Don't add up if you ask me.

Thanks all i am saying is this dude shows up from nowhere posts a bunch of questions disappears for 9 weeks reappears with a "success" story that just has too many flaws in it to be true.
My first cycle at 50 was under 500 mg per week for 16 weeks with no ai. I was very careful with diet and sleep. Was in the gym daily. I went from 147 to 191 BUT there was no definition just size....this has held true with every single person i have spoken to. When the fluid retention from higher than natty test dropped back to normal I kept about 16 lbs and then did a cycle of test and tren at which time vascularity and hardness went thru the roof.
It is the nature of test at higher than natural levels to aromatize and cause loss of definition and fluid retention. It happens at a cellular level in humans and that is something that does not vary between individuals to any large extent.

 

[Throwback]

I agree bf can drop and get more vascular on test only but under some conditions.... I know guys that never have to use a Ai uncommon for today because of the availability of them And these guys are old school a few of them don't use pct either. As far as test only everyone does respond differently. My upper body can get more vascular but my midsection while bloat some. Not a lot but enough to notice. I don't use a Ai as I'm fortunate enough to not have to many sides from aas except tren anger. Oh the rule of time exists for everyone. 11wks 2 days from first post to finishing 12week cycle is what I counted. Not to far off when considering vial/pin residual.

Actually Im one that doesnt use an ai very often and never regularly. I have also never done pct. I have gone off cycle twice with no pct and recoveted fine although it does take a bit. Now I just cruise on a trt dose.
Op's first post was in may but his first pin was June 2. He then posts this story and pics of "gains" while eating a totally shitty diet in his words.
June 2 was pin one on aug 11 he posted he had finished his 12 week cycle a week earlier....that would be on week 9 counting from june 2.
Idgaf what this guy says but there are a ton of new guys coming onto meso everyday that want good solid advice and cycle examples. We dont need a bunch of trolls or even one giving out information that could potentially hurt or misinform anyone.
Thats all that concerns me about this thread

 

[Big pump]

Actually Im one that doesnt use an ai very often and never regularly. I have also never done pct. I have gone off cycle twice with no pct and recoveted fine although it does take a bit. Now I just cruise on a trt dose.
Op's first post was in may but his first pin was June 2. He then posts this story and pics of "gains" while eating a totally shitty diet in his words.
June 2 was pin one on aug 11 he posted he had finished his 12 week cycle a week earlier....that would be on week 9 counting from june 2.
Idgaf what this guy says but there are a ton of new guys coming onto meso everyday that want good solid advice and cycle examples. We dont need a bunch of trolls or even one giving out information that could potentially hurt or misinform anyone.
Thats all that concerns me about this thread

I must have missed a couple of post then. 9 and 12 are definitely significantly different! I also am on trt @200mg/ml weekly so no pct here either. I'm behind you on giving solid advice. Good catch calling bs!

 

[DonQKong]

).....@spooby @DonQKong @Savagesteve @RogerThat

Whoyougonnacall ? <insert cow bells>

Firstly, 500 test is plentiful first time and oh my codsucking God, adding 20 pounds on the bench is NOTHING, but there you go for not having the diet dialed in. Spend twice as much money on food as juice, and you are getting close.

What a wasted first cycle, proper fuck up. Train, ear, rest. Stay away from sust the first time, all the esters will have your hormone levels jumping all over the place without you knowing what happens or what do to about it. Omnadren, too, wait a couple cycles with the multi-ester ones.

AI and use, there's two camps. My camp says use it when and only when you get sides (or when you do bloods and estro is high) only then will you learn what the AI does, how it works and prepare you for more complex cycles.

If I were you, I'd rewind, go back in time and do the cycle over again with proper training and diet. And watch ghostbusters when it was just released.

SQ

 

[BigD18]

Read this guys post...1 he was on 500mg w/o an ai...= fluid retention and loss of definition
2...his diet was shit he could eat shitty stuff and get away with it.
3...he completed a 12 week cycle in under 10 weeks
4....says he is 59
5......i call b/s troll
Sorry but been doing this too long to believe any of what he posted or the pics.

I lied on my age because I don't want to give out all my information. I did check and you're right about it not being 12 weeks. Somewhere along the line I lost count of my weeks. I'm not sure how that happened, but I'm glad that it was less than 12. I just did all of my test until it ran out. I have a little bit more but I didn't have enough for a whole other week so I just stopped. Sorry about all that.

 

[taco33150]

No where in any post you had any blood work so how you know your estrogen isn't through the roof

 

[BigD18]

Whoyougonnacall ? <insert cow bells>

Firstly, 500 test is plentiful first time and oh my codsucking God, adding 20 pounds on the bench is NOTHING, but there you go for not having the diet dialed in. Spend twice as much money on food as juice, and you are getting close.

What a wasted first cycle, proper fuck up. Train, ear, rest. Stay away from sust the first time, all the esters will have your hormone levels jumping all over the place without you knowing what happens or what do to about it. Omnadren, too, wait a couple cycles with the multi-ester ones.

AI and use, there's two camps. My camp says use it when and only when you get sides (or when you do bloods and estro is high) only then will you learn what the AI does, how it works and prepare you for more complex cycles.

If I were you, I'd rewind, go back in time and do the cycle over again with proper training and diet. And watch ghostbusters when it was just released.

SQ

I went from benching 275 4 times to 275 12 times breh... That's about a 71lb bench increase son. Just a fyi... LuL

 

[BigD18]

Sorry I have better genetic than all of you. lol. All I have to say I'm done being nice about this.