Is a 500 calories over maintenance diet optimal for a 500 mg/wk test e cycle?

[Dr JIM]

Ya I read"I gained a lot of fat". Not hey I'm fat.
Sorry Doc but aas use allowed me to pretty much eat what I want and I lost fat. Without aas losing weight takes me at least twice as long. I'd say more like I can lose 3 times faster.

Yea and that's my point exactly bc YOU are NOT the OP!

You don't know his weight, TBF, % LBM to TBF ratio nor do you have his metabolism, his diet, or the difficulties he has had with being overweight, etc.

How prophetic bc this is what @Docd187123 referred to on the 3rd post on this thread. One size does not fit all comers!

To that end you might find questions like "how long have you had problems controlling your weight" an
enlightening beginning!

These factors are major reasons WHY the experience of ONE should not be applied to the general population, and in this instance the general population is a specific reference to Mesos Noobs who have yet to clarify the details of "their problem".

 

[Dr JIM]

Im sure many of you mates have seen BB so bloated they look like they would "pop" if poked with a pin ?

Seriously if you ask you'll discover some of these guys "gained" as much 20-30 pounds in as little as a couple weeks.

Oh yea and most are Noobs and have no earthly idea WHY they lost all those "gains" in the absence of AAS, lol.

 

[DaBao]

I don't know if you're going to run any other compounds, but I had a blast running tren and eating slightly above maintenance. bill roberts recommends first cycles with tren/test if this is your first.. it depends on whether you're trying to lose body fat or you're like me and you're an ecto, so you're looking to pack on mass cause you're a skinny fuck lol.. what are your stats? Body weight, bf%, years lifting, experience with steroids, etc... how have you been eating lately? How much cardio do you do? How often do you lift and for how long? High intensity or no? Do you know if you burn a lot of cals when you lift, or do you just kind half ass it like a lot of people? give us a background

I'm 5'11. I have been constantly lifting for 3.5 years (1 hour a day, 5 days a week). 3 years ago I started bulking from 75kg to 93 kg in 1.5 years eating everything in my sight (burgers, ice cream, all kinds of meat). Although I gained a lot of strenghth, my belly looked like a balloon so I started to slowly cut eating clean with high protein from a year ago. Now I'm 81kg with about 18 to 19% (can't see no abs). I'm looking to cut until abs are slightly visible (15% bf) and that's when I will start my first cycle. Oh BTW I'm Chinese and I have shitty muscle-related genetics. I only bench 90kg and squat 100kg (I didn't start working out legs until 1 year ago). I know some of you will tell me oh you need a better foundation to use steroid bla bla bla but trust me my genetics is so shitty that Im probably close to my plateu already. Anyway I'm determined to start my first cycle soon because from the research I did I believe that a carefully planned steroid cycle won't do much harm to my body.

 

[Dr JIM]

Gotta love an honest Noob!

Again change your LIFESTYLE first thru modifying that NON-anabolicdiet and focusing on moderate weight lifting and enhanced aerobic activity and you're likely to reap the rewards of AAS thereafter.

Once again EXERCISE IS CRITICAL as it enhances one's BMR (even when NOT exercising!) and improves insulin sensitivity. The absence of these TWO changes are the reason most "DIETS" fail as a solitary means of improving TBF.

The evidence is incontrovertible. Take a look at the "Mediterranean diet" for an idea of what has been shown to improve insulin sensitivity.

I'm NOT suggesting this is "the diet" bc "diets per say" just are not effective in and of themselves. However it provides a basis for what many need as a starting point.

Finally you should read the label of anything and everything your eat AND omit any food stuff that contains more than 20% FAT or SUGAR on a caloric basis. Oh and DUMP all these "energy drinks" bc very few lifters generate the metabolic rate required for their use whether exercising or not. Fact is almost all of these drinks are LOADED with SUGAR, which if not used as an immediate source of energy are metabolized into triglycerides!

 

[DaBao]

Gotta love an honest Noob!

Again change your LIFESTYLE first thru modifying that NON-anabolicdiet and focusing on moderate weight lifting and enhanced aerobic activity and you're likely to reap the rewards of AAS thereafter.

Once again EXERCISE IS CRITICAL as it enhances one's BMR (even when NOT exercising!) and improves insulin sensitivity. The absence of these TWO changes are the reason most "DIETS" fail as a solitary means of improving TBF.

The evidence is incontrovertible. Take a look at the "Mediterranean diet" for an idea of what has been shown to improve insulin sensitivity.

I'm NOT suggesting this is "the diet" bc "diets per say" just are not effective in and of themselves. However it provides a basis for what many need as a starting point.

Finally you should read the label of anything and everything your eat AND omit any food stuff that contains more than 20% FAT or SUGAR on a caloric basis. Oh and DUMP all these "energy drinks" bc very few lifters generate the metabolic rate required for their use whether exercising or not. Fact is almost all of these drinks are LOADED with SUGAR, which if not used as an immediate source of energy are metabolized into triglycerides!

Um thank you for your advice on diet, but I'm actually having success in terms of keeping fat down, as I wrote in the previous post that I cut from 93 kg to 81 kg in less than a year while my strength actually increased quite a lot. The original purpose of this thread was to ask if a 500 calorie surplus is optimal on a steroid cycle...

 

[Dr JIM]

And that's the point in part of what myself, DocD, and WP have mentioned, and I'll answer with a question for you to ponder.

Lets assume for the purposes of this discussion your BMR are 2000Kcal/day AND you consume an additional 1000 Kcal/day, 500Kcal being used to "cover" any exertional activities,

So how is this 500Kcal "surplus" utilized from a metabolic perspective?

And with respect to the foundation of your THREAD ITSELF, does the TT dosage per say influence caloric expenditure? If so, to what extent and by what mechanism?

 

[BuckEighty]

Have either of you read the OPs post, bc he's ALREADY OVERWEIGT with a high TBF and yet your suggesting he eat like the incredible BULK! NOT!

I mean that's THE PROBLEM for those who are overweight, they EAT TO MUCH, and much of what they eat is often JUNK, but your telling him that's ok, EAT MORE.

Hello!

Wasn't suggesting he eat too much, my earlier post proves that. I probably could've been more clear though.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Here's my last .02 on all this. Your already above the BMI that you wish to attain. If that is the case then I would suggest cutting further to say 12% if you say 15% is your goal. You can only gain large amounts of lean muscle or lose fat, you will only fail if you try to do both at the same time. You want to be in an anabolic state not a catabolic state aka fat loss. With any cycle that is going to be a true bulker even clean as possible, especially that you'll be eating others cooking regularly, because who knows the Cal content if you didn't cook it yourself. You will add a small amount of fat to your bmi unless you use the nectar of the gods like aka tren. But you are most definitely not ready for the tren.