Why Can't We Grow In A Calorie Defecit?

[Ghostman]

Hey guys, 27, 5'7", 192lbs, 15%

Current cycle: 600mg test e per week
Current macros: 400p 400c 90f

My question is why can't we build muscle in a calorie deficit. To me, logically at times it makes sense that all you need to do is tear muscle fiber and feed it protein for it to get larger. Under eating would cause the body to deplete glycogen and fat cells. So by eating say 2400 calories a day one could lose 2lbs of fat per week and continue to gain that 1lb of muscle. My coach, the internet, and lots of other people say that you need to take in more calories than you need in order to gain muscle. Can anyone break the logic down more scientifically?

Thanks in advance!

 

[ironbone]

I've gained muscle on a deficit

 

[Northern Nutrition]

The body does not distinguish between calories from fat vs protein when energy is required. The body will use fat reserves first. But if no or little fat is present then it become catabolic, via metabolic pathways, and mucsle tissue is then broken down and used.

 

[penche]

The body does not distinguish between calories from fat vs protein when energy is required. The body will use fat reserves first. But if no or little fat is present then it become catabolic, via metabolic pathways, and mucsle tissue is then broken down and used.

So to force the body from going catabolic, we use a strong anabolic/androgenic Stair Rod like Trenbolone. Amirite?

I doubt the body will increase in mass due to the deficit but we can keep it from breaking down the muscle proteins.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

So to force the body from going catabolic, we use a strong anabolic/androgenic Stair Rod like Trenbolone. Amirite?

I doubt the body will increase in mass due to the deficit but we can keep it from breaking down the muscle proteins.

This depends on how much energy is required. If your goal is simply to prevent the loss of muscle tissue, there are far better ways of achieving this without depleting the body of other essential vitamins and micro-nutrients we get from a balance diet.

 

[AnTabolic73]

So to force the body from going catabolic, we use a strong anabolic/androgenic Stair Rod like Trenbolone. Amirite?

I doubt the body will increase in mass due to the deficit but we can keep it from breaking down the muscle proteins.

I think thats always the goal when cutting, burn fat preserve muscle.

but I'm to answer the op question, storing fat is more integral to survival then building muscle. so therefore any extra calories will go towards fat storage before muscle building. so a calorie surplus is needed not only to gain weight/fat, but to then build muscle on top of it.

not a scientific answer but that's all I got.

obviously aas skews the numbers

 

[penche]

This depends on how much energy is required. If your goal is simply to prevent the loss of muscle tissue, there are far better ways of achieving this without depleting the body of other essential vitamins and micro-nutrients we get from a balance diet.

What is better than pinning 100% pure componentTH Tren ED. Along with pinning HGH and Test.

I plan on doing this but didn't want to derail the OP too much. I was gonna do this on a 500Kal deficit on keto diet with low test, high Tren, moderate injectable Winstrol and 2~3iu HGH. Hgh would be for 6~9 months minimum.

Can you give any deeper examples?

 

[Brandaddy]

I'm just going out on a limb and guessing you're asking this because you want to cut, but you also want to gain muscle? If so, I know the struggle... lol. Spent a good portion of my lifting career bulking, then thinking I was fat. Cutting, then thinking I was small, then bulking, then cutting, etc. Lol. Finally I just decided to perma-bulk. Fuck it..

 

[Ghostman]

I've gained muscle on a deficit

I agree with you at this point!

 

[Ghostman]

The body does not distinguish between calories from fat vs protein when energy is required. The body will use fat reserves first. But if no or little fat is present then it become catabolic, via metabolic pathways, and mucsle tissue is then broken down and used.

After seeing growth from upping my test dose I agree.

 

[Ghostman]

So to force the body from going catabolic, we use a strong anabolic/androgenic Stair Rod like Trenbolone. Amirite?

I doubt the body will increase in mass due to the deficit but we can keep it from breaking down the muscle proteins.

My guess is by adding tren the person would grow to the dose. Body fat and stored glycogen would be burned to fuel the growth if the calories are not high enough to support the dose.

 

[Ghostman]

I think thats always the goal when cutting, burn fat preserve muscle.

but I'm to answer the op question, storing fat is more integral to survival then building muscle. so therefore any extra calories will go towards fat storage before muscle building. so a calorie surplus is needed not only to gain weight/fat, but to then build muscle on top of it.

not a scientific answer but that's all I got.

obviously aas skews the numbers

Logically that makes sense, I'm not entirely sold on needing to be in a surplus to grow. I think you could grow off of stores if you are running enough gear for growth. To avoid depleting calories would have to be high enough.

 

[Ghostman]

What is better than pinning 100% pure componentTH Tren ED. Along with pinning HGH and Test.

I plan on doing this but didn't want to derail the OP too much. I was gonna do this on a 500Kal deficit on keto diet with low test, high Tren, moderate injectable Winstrol and 2~3iu HGH. Hgh would be for 6~9 months minimum.

Can you give any deeper examples?

My thoughts on what are going to happen to you: You will grow to your tren dose. You'll have to eat very high fat to support whatever muscle growth you are aiming for otherwise you won't grow past whatever calorie total you're eating because of the fact you're in keto. HGH dose seems what I would want to take for anti aging. Duration seems good to start.

I'm about to run my first tren cycle. I'm aiming to recomp into 8% body fat then adjust calories to maintain.

 

[Ghostman]

I'm just going out on a limb and guessing you're asking this because you want to cut, but you also want to gain muscle? If so, I know the struggle... lol. Spent a good portion of my lifting career bulking, then thinking I was fat. Cutting, then thinking I was small, then bulking, then cutting, etc. Lol. Finally I just decided to perma-bulk. Fuck it..

It was more so a hypothetical question I had a few weeks back. Sounds like my entire lifting career so far lol I plan to run a pretty decent sized tren cycle and grow while leaning out, then maintain my body fat while continuing to grow.

 

[Big_paul]

Why can't you build a house without brick and mortar

My question is why can't we build muscle in a calorie deficit.

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[Deepwaters1987]

I'm just going out on a limb and guessing you're asking this because you want to cut, but you also want to gain muscle? If so, I know the struggle... lol. Spent a good portion of my lifting career bulking, then thinking I was fat. Cutting, then thinking I was small, then bulking, then cutting, etc. Lol. Finally I just decided to perma-bulk. Fuck it..

Haha that's how I am. Except my cuts will last about 2 weeks I lose a little strength and say screw this lol Been running some gh. About 5.5 weeks in. Hoping I can cheat a little on the fat loss while still bulking!

 

[Ozzy619]

I think you could grow off of stores if you are running enough gear for growth.

This is a terrible concept to have. Diet should always be #1. You have your priorities backwards.

 

[DoUEvenCardio]

From what I keep reading, beginning lifters and people on PEDs can burn fat while still building muscle. I have seen diets that rotate during the week where they only go in deficit for 2-3 days.

If we heal and rebuild most of our muscle at night while sleeping, would consuming most of our calories and protein right before bed be beneficial in trying to burn fat while gaining or maintaining muscle?

I for one, have never had success with doing both, but I have never had much fat to lose and was natural for most of my life. I believe most people gain extra water in their muscles from working out/taking steroids and think they are doing both, but in reality it's not actual muscle tissue and would return to normal rather quickly without lifting or juicing.

 

[Docd187123]

A newbie might be able to put on a little muscle in a deficit but if you're more advanced it's not likely.

If you're in a calorie deficit this means you're not taking in enough calories for your body to maintain it's normal physiological processes and your daily activity. The balance of energy needed comes from stored fat and muscle. By what mechanism would you propose your body has enough calories and protein to build new muscle tissue when it's already catabolising existing fat and possibly muscle stores to get what it needs?

Edit* and I'm not talking about situations where massive amounts of gear is being used.

 

[flexx89]

i can gain muscle on tren until im like 4 weeks out