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Njb371

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I recently considered starting my first cycle after doing some research. Since it's my first cycle, I heard it best to do a Test only cycle so you know how your body reacts to sides. I'd probably run 500mg Test E per week for 10-12 weeks.

As far as AI and PCT, since I'm not dosing that much Test, I figure to have Aromasin on hand during the cycle for any gyno. For PCT Nolva and Clomid seem to be the common choices, I think I would take Nolva for 4 week, 2 weeks after my last Test injection.

What do you guys recommend as far as dosing the Aromasin and Nolva? Btw my stats are 6'3" 215 lbs somewhere between 10-12% body fat.

Thanks
 
Purchase aromasin but don't use it unless you need it. If you proactively run it, and do so too aggressively, then you will run the risk of crashing your estrogen (hint: this is not fun).

Nolvadex is good to have on hand in the event you run into nipple related issues as it selectively binds to receptors in the region to act as a "band aid" while you determine the underlying cause of said issue. However, on a TestE only blast, you will very likely have no issues whatsoever.

PCT is largely mental masturbation. Simply blast and cruise, or taper off your "cycle" cold turkey. As long as you continue with the diet, training, and lifestyle you will be fine. Where folks get into problems is ending their "cycle" and thinking it is vacation time...
 
Seems like you got the basics down. For a simple Test E cycle I would recommend nolva 1st week: 40mg/ed 2nd-3rd week: 20mg/ed. Not sure about arom, always stuck with adex, found my sweet spot with it :)
 
Go with 12 weeks, that shit takes forever to kick in (at least for me it did). And many would recommend waiting 3 weeks after last pin to start pct (~4 half-lives of test e). How do you plan on dosing the clomid?

Good luck, and have fun.
 
Test only is smart for your first go. Twelve weeks is a good amount of time. I'd personally do two weeks of test prop at the end to avoid the two weeks of dead time before PCT, but that's just me.

I always do nolva at 40/20/20/20

Aromasin depends on you. 12.5 EOD is plenty for me with 500 test.
 
BuckEighty said:
Go with 12 weeks, that shit takes forever to kick in (at least for me it did). And many would recommend waiting 3 weeks after last pin to start pct (~4 half-lives of test e). How do you plan on dosing the clomid?

Good luck, and have fun.
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I'll run it for 12 weeks, but I don't think I'm going to use clomid. I read that one SERM should do the job and that clomid has some bad sides, so I'll stick with nolva.

I'll keep aromasin on hand just in case I need it, I would hate to develop gyno lol
 
Njb371 said:
Do you think there is a chance estrogen would be too low since I'm only dosing 500 mg/week?
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Not likely with asin. Just be responsive to your body. Get blood work done before cycle and six weeks in. If you're having issues with E2, dial it up slightly or scale it back.
 
Test_Subject said:
Yes, warning of symptoms is "fear mongering." Did I say he was going to develop DD babyfeeders off of 500mg? THAT would be fear mongering.
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First of all, I tend to wonder if you have knowledge on how AIs work, or specifically the difference between Type One and Type Two are?

If not, here is some fun reading for you: Exemestane, a new steroidal aromatase inhibitor of clinical relevance

You don't come in and start advising a user brand new to AAS to run a type one (irreversible) inhibitor starting on day one with zero previous knowledge on how their body aromitizes...

Not only will the long estered testosterone take weeks to reach peak values, but estrogen levels will take weeks to elevate to the levels where an AI would be required, even for those susceptible to aromitization.

Even then, aromasin is an ad hoc AI...meaning you take it only as needed. You start regularly dosing this, and you WILL crash your estrogen levels. And because the aromatase enzyme is rendered essentially "dead", it can take considerable time for the body to produce more estrogen to bring someone back into range.

If you would have suggested a type two inhibitor from day one, at least then I'd know you were just parroting info, but this is plain irresponsible advice you are giving and I'd urge you to stop.
 
Njb371 said:
I'll run it for 12 weeks, but I don't think I'm going to use clomid. I read that one SERM should do the job and that clomid has some bad sides, so I'll stick with nolva.

I'll keep aromasin on hand just in case I need it, I would hate to develop gyno lol
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Yeah, the clomid made me very depressed for about a week at 50mg. God only knows what some of these guys running 100mg go through :eek:. It's up to you what you take for pct. I'm not sure how effective nolva is on its own, but my GUESS is that it should be fine for the cycle you'll run.
 
ChestRockwell said:
First of all, I tend to wonder if you have knowledge on how AIs work, or specifically the difference between Type One and Type Two are?

If not, here is some fun reading for you: Exemestane, a new steroidal aromatase inhibitor of clinical relevance

You don't come in and start advising a user brand new to AAS to run a type one (irreversible) inhibitor starting on day one with zero previous knowledge on how their body aromitizes...

Not only will the long estered testosterone take weeks to reach peak values, but estrogen levels will take weeks to elevate to the levels where an AI would be required, even for those susceptible to aromitization.

Even then, aromasin is an ad hoc AI...meaning you take it only as needed. You start regularly dosing this, and you WILL crash your estrogen levels. And because the aromatase enzyme is rendered essentially "dead", it can take considerable time for the body to produce more estrogen to bring someone back into range.

If you would have suggested a type two inhibitor from day one, at least then I'd know you were just parroting info, but this is plain irresponsible advice you are giving and I'd urge you to stop.
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The general consensus on this board seems to only take aromasin when needed, and what you said regarding the longer ester of test e, makes even more sense
 
Njb371 said:
The general consensus on this board seems to only take aromasin when needed, and what you said regarding the longer ester of test e, makes even more sense
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This is correct, due to its suicidal nature it irreversibly binds to the enzyme where conversion to estrogen takes place. So, once this happens, you are "stuck"...meaning that the enzyme and any binded estrogen is inactive. And, let me tell you, crashing estrogen is NOT fun.

Why someone would advise running aromasin regularly from day one...just horrible advice, especially someone brand new to AAS.
 
First of all, I tend to wonder if you have knowledge on how AIs work, or specifically the difference between Type One and Type Two are?
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What is it with some people here and being more concerned with appearing knowledgeable than presenting good information? Asin is next to impossible to crash your E2 with. If you have very little test to convert (as in, the first few weeks of a cycle), it won't have much effect.

It also has a very short active life. Hence 12.5 EOD.
 
btw, where is good place to get needles? I found a couple cheap sellers on Amazon I might go with, but I also heard you can get them at a pharmacy (although its harder)
 
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