Blood Results from Ansomone 8iu

[Gorillag]

HI all,

its been a long time since I posted on this board well over 12 years but wanted some input.

I purchased some HGH direct from Ansomone through you know who.

I recently got some bloods done after fasting for 12 hours overnight and injection as close to 8iu IM 3-4 hours before the blood test (Two 4iu vials may have been a tiny bit left in each vial)

Here are the results which seem on the low side compared to others but still well above normal range.

I will also say i got the red whelts by doing injections sub q but IM was ok.

Any thoughts

 

[CherryChillin]

Read the fucking sticky dummy.

 

[Gorillag]

I would if there was any sticky's I can't see any in this forum in my browser?

 

[Roco Bama]

Welcome back fellow member. Keep taking ansomome for 30 days then get an igf-1 blood test.

 

[stone988]

Welcome back fellow member. Keep taking ansomome for 30 days then get an igf-1 blood test.

So how would anyone know if they were shooting any form of IGF 1 GHRP peptide instead of HGH? You can even shoot slin and get IGF in your bloods.

 

[Roco Bama]

So how would anyone know if they were shooting any form of IGF 1 GHRP peptide instead of HGH? You can even shoot slin and get IGF in your bloods.

Do some research on what hormone that is responsible for hyperplasia then comment back to me. And if there is a peptide that can elevate igf-1 level as much as rHGH, then I wanna know about it.

 

[Eman]

You can even shoot slin and get IGF in your bloods.

Can you cite a source on this? I've never heard of insulin doing it.

Also, peptides aren't capable of raising IGF the same as hGH.

 

[stone988]

without answering a question with a question I will say that 99% of any of your so called studies dont use high amounts of any substance in the realm of what a bodybuilder would use so I challenge you to prove me wrong. Insulin and carbohydrates can change IGf levels. So can fasting, so can testosterone, tren and D bol. And not at medical doses like so many text book academics use as evidence in some study that some pencil dick did that has little purpose, compared to a bb using 10 times the amount over months and months. IGf levels is an inferior way to test HGH . Test for serum HGH at 10 iu 3 hrs before blood drawn. Have you ever tried it? if not I will wait thanks

 

[stone988]

thought this was interesting and of course is up for interpretation and also it involves cancer patients but I hope you can see my point igh1 can be altered by a host of substances and reactions in the body.

Effect of tamoxifen on GH and IGF-1 serum level in stage I-II breast cancer patients.
Mandalà M1, Moro C, Ferretti G, Calabro MG, Nolè F, Rocca A, Munzone E, Castro A, Curigliano G.
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Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
Tamoxifen suppresses insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) plasma levels in early and advanced breast cancer patients. Relationships between tamoxifen (GH) and IGF-1 are complex and not completely described yet. The present investigation was performed to evaluate the effect of acute and chronic tamoxifen administration on GH response to growth hormone-releasing hormone (GHRH), as well as on IGF-1 serum levels.

MATERIALS AND METHODS:
Evaluation of GH after administration of GHRH was performed (a) at baseline, (b) 3 hours after 20 mg oral administration of tamoxifen and (c) after 12 weeks of 20 mg a day oral tamoxifen treatment, in fifteen postmenopausal stage I-II breast cancer patients. IGF-I was measured at baseline and after chronic tamoxifen administration.

RESULTS:
The GH response to GHRH was significantly reduced after 12 weeks of tamoxifen 10 mg administered twice a day orally (mean peak 3.2 +/- 0.2 micrograms/l, mean AUC 261.3 +/- 18.2 micrograms/minute p < 0.01 versus basal AUC). A concomitant significant reduction of IGF-1 was observed after 3 months of tamoxifen treatment. Basal pretreatment levels of 113.2 +/- 15.5 micrograms/l were suppressed to 70 +/- 7.9 micrograms/l (p < 0.01).

CONCLUSION:
Our study confirm the inhibitory effect of tamoxifen on IGF-I and suggested, as shown in previous in vitro data, that its suppression could be directly related to GH reduction in response to GHRH stimulation.

 

[Eman]

so I challenge you to prove me wrong

That's your response to my question? It was a simple request for a cite regarding insulin affecting IGF levels...

IGf levels is an inferior way to test HGH . Test for serum HGH at 10 iu 3 hrs before blood drawn. Have you ever tried it? if not I will wait thanks

You are completely wrong... No, I've never tried it and I never will because I don't like wasting my money.

IGF tests combined with an hGH assay is the most accurate method to determine the effects of the hGH you're using... A GH serum test is a waste of time, money and the GH used to test it.

 

[mands]

without answering a question with a question I will say that 99% of any of your so called studies dont use high amounts of any substance in the realm of what a bodybuilder would use so I challenge you to prove me wrong. Insulin and carbohydrates can change IGf levels. So can fasting, so can testosterone, tren and D bol. And not at medical doses like so many text book academics use as evidence in some study that some pencil dick did that has little purpose, compared to a bb using 10 times the amount over months and months. IGf levels is an inferior way to test HGH . Test for serum HGH at 10 iu 3 hrs before blood drawn. Have you ever tried it? if not I will wait thanks

You are completely wrong sir! A serum GH test does not show the bio-availability of the product, only if it's immunologically active. Only a IGF-1 test will show the bio-availability.

Or you can get it sent to a lab for testing.

mands

 

[CherryChillin]

The later bring the most effective for testing a batch of vials from someone's order, it seems.

 

[stone988]

lol igf isnt even effected by a shot of hgh after 3 hours. There are so many factors that effect igf1. so what is the standard? how good is a dose of hgh on your methods?
So if someone snorted coke and drank the night before the test would his igf 1 levels be off? lmoa even a lack of sleep can cause drastic change in IGF1. Even over training!!!
There are way too many factors but go ahead and test for IGF I will use the gold standard that has worked for me and others. No method is perfect but testing for IGF1 isnt the most effective. On as far a boi availability that can vary from personto person, hence why most people dont look like an IFBB pro no matter how much gear hgh ect they take. Also the functionality of the liver can dramatically change IGF. Insulin is a key hormone in the regulation of IGF,, thats why its stacked with HGH lmao. It helps prolongs IGF because it blocks unnecessary receptors so the IGF can be more useful for muscle growth and not other organs. Here is something interesting take it or leave it.

 

[stone988]

Is your Growth Hormone real? A guide to find out
Published on Monday, 10 December 2012 21:03
Written by John Connor

HGH is expensive and often faked so about 1 year ago I began testing HGH using HGH serum and IGF-1 testing via blood work. During this period of time the real world experience of testing HGH led me down an exciting road of research and learning. It is my hope to share my experiences and the science behind HGH testing so that HGH users may know for sure that the products they are injecting are genuine.



The Protocol

10 iu rHGH Intramuscular injection (IM)
Have your blood drawn 3-4 hours after injecting.
Fasting is not necessary.
No strenuous activity for at least 30 min prior to test.

With a 10iu vial, inject 1 ml (cc) into the vial that contains the GH powder/puck. Direct the stream of water down the side of the glass, being careful not to direct the stream of water directly into the GH powder; swirl gently until the powder is completely dissolved in the solution. DO NOT SHAKE THE VIAL.

*WARNING* GH serum testing is a crude method for confirming GH potency.

What do the results mean? My research and experiences indicate that injecting 10iu IM of pharmaceutical grade rHGH yields a serum level of between 15-50+ ng/mL in most cases. However this is a general range and should not be interpreted to form a strong opinion about the potency of HGH products. Several tests should be performed to determine an individualistic response.

Originally I began serum testing after injecting HGH subcutaneously (SC) however after some research and several lab tests I determined that SC injections did not raise GH serum levels as much as IM injections.(1)(2) This led to confusion as other users were injecting IM which made their results look dramatically better. In order to avoid confusion several veterans including myself decided to adopt IM as the standard method for testing serum HGH levels. What we learned along the way was quite interesting.

Several men were getting fantastic results with various brands of underground and overseas HGH but I and another man were getting mediocre results at best. It seemed as though we were just unlucky. Our serum levels routinely fell 10-20 ng/mL lower than the others results. After about a half a dozen lab tests I decided to administer USA pharmacy HGH to help determine my response to a known potency of HGH. My results were staggering. My serum levels again fell short of what was expected. I tested less than 20 ng/mL. At that time I concluded that I was a low responder to HGH and that serum testing was a crude method at best for proving HGH.

However a pattern was forming for me. 10iu of HGH was resulting in a range of about 14-24 ng/mL. This has given me a personal range that reflects real world experience not just some text book answer. The studies indicate that I should respond higher. The real world disagrees. Why?
Maybe it’s my body weight or maybe my size (surface area). Maybe I just don’t respond well to HGH. Maybe it’s something else. My journey to find out left me questioning. Those questions led me to more research. I still feel like the answer is somewhat elusive but what I discovered next gave me a balanced understanding of just how crude GH serum testing is.

In 2004 a study was conducted that measured GH antibodies in children who had received Growth Hormone over a 6 month period. 4 of the 47 children showed the presence of antibodies against rhGH. The researchers concluded that the main concern with anti-GH antibodies could be their ability to neutralize circulating growth hormone and inhibit its growth promoting effect.(3) Therefore we must be careful not to erroneously conclude a batch of GH is fake if a user’s results are substandard. This supports the view that several lab tests should be conducted with a known potency of rHGH. This will prove if the subject is a low responder to rHGH.

Although this serum method is crude it does provide valuable insight. I have a known response to USA pharmacy rHGH. If an UGL or overseas product can elevate my GH levels as high as the US pharmacy GH I can be relatively confident that my GH is genuine.

It is my hope that many users follow this protocol and record their responses so we can further understand how injecting rHGH affects serum levels in a wide range of people. This will increase our knowledge and also protect members against those who sell fake products.
References

1 Pharmacokinetics of recombinant human growth hormone administered by cool.click™ 2, a new needle-free device, compared with subcutaneous administration using a conventional syringe and needle
2 Pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics of GH: dependence on route and dosage of administration
3 Growth hormone antibodies formation in patients treated with recombinant human growth hormone. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Eman]

So if someone snorted coke and drank the night before the test would his igf 1 levels be off?

Probably... But who the fuck would do that?

You're clueless.

 

[mands]

lol igf isnt even effected by a shot of hgh after 3 hours. There are so many factors that effect igf1. so what is the standard? how good is a dose of hgh on your methods?
So if someone snorted coke and drank the night before the test would his igf 1 levels be off? lmoa even a lack of sleep can cause drastic change in IGF1. Even over training!!!
There are way too many factors but go ahead and test for IGF I will use the gold standard that has worked for me and others. No method is perfect but testing for IGF1 isnt the most effective. On as far a boi availability that can vary from personto person, hence why most people dont look like an IFBB pro no matter how much gear hgh ect they take. Also the functionality of the liver can dramatically change IGF. Insulin is a key hormone in the regulation of IGF,, thats why its stacked with HGH lmao. It helps prolongs IGF because it blocks unnecessary receptors so the IGF can be more useful for muscle growth and not other organs. Here is something interesting take it or leave it.

Who said to get an IGF-1 test after 3 hours?

Gold standard? Your article states right in BOLD it's a crude way to determine GH potency.

You are on the right track with the 5 year old article but running your GH for a length of time(controversial by some)around 1 week is sufficient to check blood levels. Always get pre-gh use first so you can compare.

Your correct IGF-1 is not the most effective and GH serum is certainly not. AAA analysis and Mass Spec/hplc is the only true way to find out if it is GH, it's purity and concentration.

So tell me this... How do you know if your GH is raising IGF-1 levels if you don't test them? This is why you are taking GH correct?

mands

 

[Gorillag]

Thanks guys. So better to run gh for 30'days then run an igf-1 test assume you would expect it to be highly elevated even just running 2iu ed. I am only using this for some anti aging benefits being 50+ now

 

[mands]

Thanks guys. So better to run gh for 30'days then run an igf-1 test assume you would expect it to be highly elevated even just running 2iu ed. I am only using this for some anti aging benefits being 50+ now

You don't have to wait 30 days. If you want to wait two weeks to be safe then do that.

I would think in the 200 range.

mands

 

[Just Fish]

You don't have to wait 30 days. If you want to wait two weeks to be safe then do that.

I would think in the 200 range.

mands

I'm planning on obtaining my baseline gh/igf levels. Will being on 300mg test/300mg deca affect my baseline numbers?

 

[mands]

I'm planning on obtaining my baseline gh/igf levels. Will being on 300mg test/300mg deca affect my baseline numbers?

I wouldn't worry about it but you can look at these below.

Testosterone administration increases insulin-like growth factor-I levels in normal men.
Hobbs CJ1, Plymate SR, Rosen CJ, Adler RA.
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Abstract
Although testosterone (T) administration can increase insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I) when administered to hypogonadal men, no studies have examined whether this occurs in normal men. The present study was undertaken to determine if an increase in IGF-I may be part of the anabolic effect of androgens. We enrolled 11 normal men in a randomized, double-blinded cross-over study. Subjects were assigned to receive either T enanthate (TE) (300 mg im, each week) or nandrolone (ND) decanoate (300 mg im, each week) for 6 weeks. After a washout period subjects were administered the alternate treatment. Pre- and posttreatment serum was analyzed for IGF-I by RIA after acid-ethanol extraction. Results expressed as mean +/- SEM (Table 1). IGF-binding protein-3 was measured by RIA and was unchanged in the TE treatment and decreased significantly after ND treatment. Although GH levels were not significantly different after either TE or ND treatment, they tended to increase after TE treatment (1.23 +/- 0.28 ng/mL vs. 3.3 +/- 1.03 ng/mL) but remained unchanged after ND treatment (1.68 +/- 0.68 ng/mL vs. 1.89 +/- 0.64 ng/mL). Serum total T levels increased 32 +/- 0.05 nmol/L in the TE-treated men, but fell by 7 +/- 0.02 nmol/L in the ND-treated men (P < 0.0001). Serum estradiol levels rose by 193.04 +/- 19.82 pmol/L in the TE-treated men although falling by 50.65 +/- 34.50 pmol/L in the ND-treated men (P < 0.0002). These data indicate that when normal men are given TE, serum IGF-I levels increase after 6 weeks of treatment. Treatment with ND did not change serum levels of IGF-I but did decrease the level of the major serum IGF-BP and therefore the level of bioavailable IGF-I may be increased in the ND group.

Testosterone increases insulin-like growth factor-1 and insulin-like growth factor-binding protein.
Ashton WS1, Degnan BM, Daniel A, Francis GL.
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Abstract
Growth of the male external genitalia is primarily regulated by androgens; however, several observations suggest growth hormone (GH) or a GH dependent factor, such as insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1), might also be involved. It is hypothesized that testosterone (T) might induce the synthesis of IGF-1 or IGF-binding protein (IGF-BP) which could affect cell proliferation. This was evaluated by determining the effect of T on thymidine incorporation, cell surface IGF-1 binding, and the production of IGF-1 and IGF-BP by cultured neonatal foreskin fibroblasts. Testosterone significantly increased thymidine incorporation and the production of IGF-1 and IGF-BP (p < 0.05 vs control). However, T significantly decreased the cell surface binding of IGF-1 (p < 0.0001 vs control). To determine whether or not the increase in IGF-1 production was important in mediating the effect of T on thymidine incorporation, cells were incubated with either anti-IGF-1 antibody (anti-IGF-1), anti-IGF-1-receptor antibody (IGF-1-R-Ab), or a non-specific control antibody (NS-Ab). Anti-IGF-1 significantly decreased thymidine incorporation in both control cultures and those containing T. In addition, IGF-1-R-Ab blocked the expected T dependent increase in thymidine incorporation, while NS-Ab had no effect. These in vitro observations suggest both T and IGF-1 affect neonatal foreskin fibroblasts in a complex relationship. In addition, these data suggest T might stimulate foreskin fibroblast proliferation, at least in part, by changing the balance in production and effects of IGF-1 and IGF-BP.

mands