Onyx Pharma Bust

sucks to be that dude. I've always thought if I want pharma I'll deal with a doctor personally. And no, I've never had any dealings with any pharmaceutical products yet. One day....

I've seen it written by quite a few members that I respect and trust that fake pharmaceutical doesn't mean bad gear, that's why I am saying what I am. I'm sure there are stories to bolster one side or the other TBH.

I'd say the big takeaway should be to do your research. I don't want to buy gear from a company that doesn't even make gear, you know? I feel sorry for the guys that have been scammed by this angle but I don't at the same time.

Spot on mate. But who would you trust more? A legit UGL that has a reputation and brand to uphold, or someone selling anonymous (hopefully) UGL-quality gear under the pretense of it being pharma?

I can't imagine anyone consciously picking fake pharma over either pharma or UGL gear, even if it was properly dosed. The statement that fake pharma isn't always bunk probably applies more to the stuff made in India than Musclehead's homebrew :D
 
I remember the young man. Brash, arrogant, in need of a male role model. 98% of guys aren't as vocal but most of us breaking the law are of the belief that it won't happen to us.
I didn't see this thread in the Underground so I started a new thread where legal news usually goes. Most guys who have been in the Federal system aren't happy when we see someone starting the long, lonely journey that more often than not destroys the families of those involved leaving children without their Fathers and most of the time takes the bread winner out of the home.
If Musclehead and the others indicted own a home it will be seized by our gov't along with any vehicles, jewelry, etc that were bought with proceeds from the conspiracy. Musclehead is now broke. Unless he had a federal attorney on retainer prior to being indicted he will not have money for a private attorney. All bank accounts, retirement accounts, any and all outlets that cash can be stashed and that he is associated with are frozen and will legally become the gov'ts.
The minimum to retain a federal attorney 10 yrs ago was about $50,000. That gets you the bare minimum. He'll show up at your court dates. If you sign the first deal they come with and there are no complications that $50k should do it. If you are planning on going to trial you can expect your legal bill to be a min of $200k. This is in contrast where it will run you, depending on the crime, $2,000 to $5,000 to retain an attorney in state court.
If he doesn't go along with what the US Attorney prosecuting the case has planned he is going to live the entire nightmare. If he has parents or other loved ones that he has helped out financially the gov't will go after them. If he lent his parents money even 1 time to make a mortgage payment its called intermingling funds and his parents home that they have lived for 25 yrs can and will be seized unless he cooperates.
If he rolls over and is able to give the feds enough information about others involved in his offense or has info that may lead to an investigation and eventual indictment of others the gov't is interested in he may have a chance at getting out on bond.
Someone who owns a home or owns property that musclehead can convince to sign over to the gov't may be enough to get out on pretrial supervision instead of him sitting in a county jail or Federal holding. I don't remember if there is a MDC or MCC where the indictment and crime originated out of?
If he mans up and doesn't cooperate with the feds he will sit and won't see the light of day without handcuffs and leg shackles for the foreseeable future.
From the articles I've read musclehead is being accused of being the leader of the conspiracy. This figures in the length of his sentence. As the leader of the conspiracy he will most likely be given an enhancement which separates him from the others involved.
The enhancement will make the offense level of his crime greater. If the original offense level of his crime is say 24, an enhancement for being the leader could make his offense level 26.
If he is of substantial assistance to the gov't in prosecuting others in his conspiracy or others in another crime, he could possibly be given a downward departure from the guidelines knocking time off his sentence. In order for that to happen he will essentially have to ruin the lives of other people.
He's going to do time. That's a fact. His criminal history is the other things that is taken into consideration when figuring the length of his sentence. He is going to be in Criminal Category 0 through 6. 6 being the worst.
The sentencing guidelines pretty much take control out of the hands of Federal Judges.
Once the judge agrees on what his offense level is as well as what criminal category he fits into(US Probation does a pre sentencing investigation to decide the category) the 2 numbers are plugged into the sentencing guidelines chart. You go down the side of the chart until you reach the offense level(his is probably somewhere between 24 and 30). You then go across til you reach his criminal category. The closer you get to category 6 the more time you are gonna do. Lets guess and figure he's been good with one or 2 misdemeanors in the last 15yrs. Maybe he's a criminal category 2. Where the 2 intersect is the amount of time he will be sentenced to. I would guess(its a wild guess this early on) that he is looking at 36 to 48 months. Maybe a little more.
If he was on state probation or this is his second offense for selling gear he could be looking at 6, 7 or even more years. I don't get that impression, though. In steroid cased we've seen over the years guys do between 3 and not more than 5 yrs.
After that, he's going to have 3 yrs of supervised release(probation) to deal with. To say that the experience is a life changing event would be a huge understatement.
Thats very inciteful
 
Spot on mate. But who would you trust more? A legit UGL that has a reputation and brand to uphold, or someone selling anonymous (hopefully) UGL-quality gear under the pretense of it being pharma?

I can't imagine anyone consciously picking fake pharma over either pharma or UGL gear, even if it was properly dosed. The statement that fake pharma isn't always bunk probably applies more to the stuff made in India than Musclehead's homebrew :D
I forget which board it was (i think PM) lab maxed onyx test tren eq & deca and it was all completely bunk. And then of course musclehead came out of nowhere to defend it saying those were counterfeits and he could tell because of the label lmaoo.
 
I forget which board it was (i think PM) lab maxed onyx test tren eq & deca and it was all completely bunk. And then of course musclehead came out of nowhere to defend it saying those were counterfeits and he could tell because of the label lmaoo.

Counterfeited fake pharma. Lols. That's priceless :D
 
Spot on mate. But who would you trust more? A legit UGL that has a reputation and brand to uphold, or someone selling anonymous (hopefully) UGL-quality gear under the pretense of it being pharma?

I can't imagine anyone consciously picking fake pharma over either pharma or UGL gear, even if it was properly dosed. The statement that fake pharma isn't always bunk probably applies more to the stuff made in India than Musclehead's homebrew :D
Honestly, I'd trust the ugl being who they are.
 
He faces 2 separate charges
1)"The charge of conspiracy to traffic in counterfeit drugs provides a sentence of no greater than five years in prison, three years of supervised release, a fine of $250,000 or twice the gross gain/loss, whichever is greater."
2)"The charge of conspiracy to distribute controlled substances provides a sentence of no greater than 10 years in prison, three years of supervised release, a fine of $500,000 or twice the gross gain or loss, whichever is greater"

Yes there are state and federal laws against the sale of fake drugs. If you intentionally and knowingly sell fake drugs they can also tack on fraud charges. If anything you do crosses state lines they can also charge you federally for the interstate commerce.

Maybe he used his ebook to money launder as well, and none of that was legitimate and all made up?......

I remember the young man. Brash, arrogant, in need of a male role model. 98% of guys aren't as vocal but most of us breaking the law are of the belief that it won't happen to us.
I didn't see this thread in the Underground so I started a new thread where legal news usually goes. Most guys who have been in the Federal system aren't happy when we see someone starting the long, lonely journey that more often than not destroys the families of those involved leaving children without their Fathers and most of the time takes the bread winner out of the home.
If Musclehead and the others indicted own a home it will be seized by our gov't along with any vehicles, jewelry, etc that were bought with proceeds from the conspiracy. Musclehead is now broke. Unless he had a federal attorney on retainer prior to being indicted he will not have money for a private attorney. All bank accounts, retirement accounts, any and all outlets that cash can be stashed and that he is associated with are frozen and will legally become the gov'ts.
The minimum to retain a federal attorney 10 yrs ago was about $50,000. That gets you the bare minimum. He'll show up at your court dates. If you sign the first deal they come with and there are no complications that $50k should do it. If you are planning on going to trial you can expect your legal bill to be a min of $200k. This is in contrast where it will run you, depending on the crime, $2,000 to $5,000 to retain an attorney in state court.
If he doesn't go along with what the US Attorney prosecuting the case has planned he is going to live the entire nightmare. If he has parents or other loved ones that he has helped out financially the gov't will go after them. If he lent his parents money even 1 time to make a mortgage payment its called intermingling funds and his parents home that they have lived for 25 yrs can and will be seized unless he cooperates.
If he rolls over and is able to give the feds enough information about others involved in his offense or has info that may lead to an investigation and eventual indictment of others the gov't is interested in he may have a chance at getting out on bond.
Someone who owns a home or owns property that musclehead can convince to sign over to the gov't may be enough to get out on pretrial supervision instead of him sitting in a county jail or Federal holding. I don't remember if there is a MDC or MCC where the indictment and crime originated out of?
If he mans up and doesn't cooperate with the feds he will sit and won't see the light of day without handcuffs and leg shackles for the foreseeable future.
From the articles I've read musclehead is being accused of being the leader of the conspiracy. This figures in the length of his sentence. As the leader of the conspiracy he will most likely be given an enhancement which separates him from the others involved.
The enhancement will make the offense level of his crime greater. If the original offense level of his crime is say 24, an enhancement for being the leader could make his offense level 26.
If he is of substantial assistance to the gov't in prosecuting others in his conspiracy or others in another crime, he could possibly be given a downward departure from the guidelines knocking time off his sentence. In order for that to happen he will essentially have to ruin the lives of other people.
He's going to do time. That's a fact. His criminal history is the other things that is taken into consideration when figuring the length of his sentence. He is going to be in Criminal Category 0 through 6. 6 being the worst.
The sentencing guidelines pretty much take control out of the hands of Federal Judges.
Once the judge agrees on what his offense level is as well as what criminal category he fits into(US Probation does a pre sentencing investigation to decide the category) the 2 numbers are plugged into the sentencing guidelines chart. You go down the side of the chart until you reach the offense level(his is probably somewhere between 24 and 30). You then go across til you reach his criminal category. The closer you get to category 6 the more time you are gonna do. Lets guess and figure he's been good with one or 2 misdemeanors in the last 15yrs. Maybe he's a criminal category 2. Where the 2 intersect is the amount of time he will be sentenced to. I would guess(its a wild guess this early on) that he is looking at 36 to 48 months. Maybe a little more.
If he was on state probation or this is his second offense for selling gear he could be looking at 6, 7 or even more years. I don't get that impression, though. In steroid cased we've seen over the years guys do between 3 and not more than 5 yrs.
After that, he's going to have 3 yrs of supervised release(probation) to deal with. To say that the experience is a life changing event would be a huge understatement.
You forgot BIG PHARMA LAWYERS they change the whole equation, as bad as it sounds .
No way this guy is getting less than 10 years, not even with a clean criminal record, plea or snitching.

Nice post @biggerben69 Are you a law student?

It should be easy to tell if he cooperates or not. They use the extra charges to get people to flip like the tax evasion/ money laundering etc. If he tells them he ain't talking they'll throw all the extra charges on the table to change his mind
IMO big pharma lawyers will make sure LE doesn't forget to add the extra charges, or use them as a negotiation tool.
They can add up to 30 to 40 years max
so yes everyone will end up cooperating and snitching on each other.

1 Big pharma shark lawyers don't give a fuck about musclehead320 future.
2 The want to teach a lesson to discourage future counterfeiters.
Big pharma even has people surfing the web 40 hours a week to spot counterfeits
Inside Pfizer's Fight Against Counterfeit Drugs
3 Real Onyx pharma will probably sue for corporate reputation damages and get most of the seized money/goods/property


Probably a year or two maybe less with that 100+ grands he was bragging about from that e book.

Clever way of accepting online payments: Pay $50 for an ebook, receive complimentary vial of steroids for free*.

*Might be considered money laundering under most jurisdictions.

That would explain the 100k in monthly sales.
It makes sense
nobody bought his book, so it was just a money laundering front.


Using the name of a real pharmaceutical company to market the products is a terrible idea. I wouldn't be surprised if the real Onyx just got tired of receiving calls from people about it and decided to track these guys down and rat them out.

Maybe that's how the whole investigation started, from real Onyx pharma calling LE.

Even if he weren't using a big pharma lab's name
he got so much LE attention by himself, that he would probably end up being busted a year later, anyhow.


Was he a cocky arrogant chap? Sure. Does he deserve having his life and his family's life put through years of turmoil over this? Absolutely not! This is where the US govt fails..

Would Tyler be a better father behind bars or free on steroids? Free on steroids. Should he be taxed on his profits etc? Sure. But lock him up, make him unemployable for life? Come on

Lesson: Don't mess with big pharma.
DEA and LE can be mild on you
big pharma won't

I think that was part of it. Onyx is a legit company behind it's parent, Amgen. They don't make steroids from what I can tell. Lots of levels of failure here.

Wow Amgen?
So this is BIG pharma indeed

Fool buyers? Like trying to sell Chevrolet beer or Microsoft pillows? It's a product that doesn't exist. If a buyer thinks it's a real product that's going to have to fall on their shoulders for being a sheep. If I'm mistaken I'll renig but I don't think Onxy makes steroids so a tiny little bit of research would give a perspective buyer the real insight they need.

I don't think fake pharmaceutical is as bad as bad/non-dosed gear. If it's fake pharmaceutical and works I wouldn't care in all honesty. What I would care about is what I'm paying for should reflect the quality and is it safe to inject. But not everyone thinks like me...


Thanks, I had no clue. What a fucking classless fuck.

Or Madison James, you get research chemicals instead of the usual 40 year old milfs pretending to dress up and act like teenagers. LOL

Wow. Many people buy pharma gear by choice, and unfortunately not everyone does their due diligence, as you can see happened to @fldoms980.

Fake pharma gear is a scam in my opinion, intended only to fool the buyer, with zero care for quality. I've only ever heard of it being shit, but perhaps you've had a better experience? Personally, I'd rather go for a legit UGL with their reputation on the line than a scam artist, but not everyone thinks like me ;)
Most "Bayer Rimobolans" and other big pharma gear are actually counterfeit.
No matter if properly dosed or cleanly made, it doesn't even matter if sent from a "safe" overseas source where gear is legal, selling counterfeits = messing with big pharma.

This thread should be a wake up call for many.
 
Most "Bayer Rimobolans" and other big pharma gear are actually counterfeit.
No matter if properly dosed or cleanly made, it doesn't even matter if sent from a "safe" overseas source where gear is legal, selling counterfeits = messing with big pharma.

This thread should be a wake up call for many.

Yeah I know. When I refer to pharma I mean scripted from your chemist. At least we can all do bloods to confirm the test is legitimo.
 
I remember the young man. Brash, arrogant, in need of a male role model. 98% of guys aren't as vocal but most of us breaking the law are of the belief that it won't happen to us.
I didn't see this thread in the Underground so I started a new thread where legal news usually goes. Most guys who have been in the Federal system aren't happy when we see someone starting the long, lonely journey that more often than not destroys the families of those involved leaving children without their Fathers and most of the time takes the bread winner out of the home.
If Musclehead and the others indicted own a home it will be seized by our gov't along with any vehicles, jewelry, etc that were bought with proceeds from the conspiracy. Musclehead is now broke. Unless he had a federal attorney on retainer prior to being indicted he will not have money for a private attorney. All bank accounts, retirement accounts, any and all outlets that cash can be stashed and that he is associated with are frozen and will legally become the gov'ts.
The minimum to retain a federal attorney 10 yrs ago was about $50,000. That gets you the bare minimum. He'll show up at your court dates. If you sign the first deal they come with and there are no complications that $50k should do it. If you are planning on going to trial you can expect your legal bill to be a min of $200k. This is in contrast where it will run you, depending on the crime, $2,000 to $5,000 to retain an attorney in state court.
If he doesn't go along with what the US Attorney prosecuting the case has planned he is going to live the entire nightmare. If he has parents or other loved ones that he has helped out financially the gov't will go after them. If he lent his parents money even 1 time to make a mortgage payment its called intermingling funds and his parents home that they have lived for 25 yrs can and will be seized unless he cooperates.
If he rolls over and is able to give the feds enough information about others involved in his offense or has info that may lead to an investigation and eventual indictment of others the gov't is interested in he may have a chance at getting out on bond.
Someone who owns a home or owns property that musclehead can convince to sign over to the gov't may be enough to get out on pretrial supervision instead of him sitting in a county jail or Federal holding. I don't remember if there is a MDC or MCC where the indictment and crime originated out of?
If he mans up and doesn't cooperate with the feds he will sit and won't see the light of day without handcuffs and leg shackles for the foreseeable future.
From the articles I've read musclehead is being accused of being the leader of the conspiracy. This figures in the length of his sentence. As the leader of the conspiracy he will most likely be given an enhancement which separates him from the others involved.
The enhancement will make the offense level of his crime greater. If the original offense level of his crime is say 24, an enhancement for being the leader could make his offense level 26.
If he is of substantial assistance to the gov't in prosecuting others in his conspiracy or others in another crime, he could possibly be given a downward departure from the guidelines knocking time off his sentence. In order for that to happen he will essentially have to ruin the lives of other people.
He's going to do time. That's a fact. His criminal history is the other things that is taken into consideration when figuring the length of his sentence. He is going to be in Criminal Category 0 through 6. 6 being the worst.
The sentencing guidelines pretty much take control out of the hands of Federal Judges.
Once the judge agrees on what his offense level is as well as what criminal category he fits into(US Probation does a pre sentencing investigation to decide the category) the 2 numbers are plugged into the sentencing guidelines chart. You go down the side of the chart until you reach the offense level(his is probably somewhere between 24 and 30). You then go across til you reach his criminal category. The closer you get to category 6 the more time you are gonna do. Lets guess and figure he's been good with one or 2 misdemeanors in the last 15yrs. Maybe he's a criminal category 2. Where the 2 intersect is the amount of time he will be sentenced to. I would guess(its a wild guess this early on) that he is looking at 36 to 48 months. Maybe a little more.
If he was on state probation or this is his second offense for selling gear he could be looking at 6, 7 or even more years. I don't get that impression, though. In steroid cased we've seen over the years guys do between 3 and not more than 5 yrs.
After that, he's going to have 3 yrs of supervised release(probation) to deal with. To say that the experience is a life changing event would be a huge understatement.


Makes my hands sweat just reading this stuff . The OG left jail 25 yrs ago and I aint goin back ! :eek:
 
Fool buyers? Like trying to sell Chevrolet beer or Microsoft pillows? It's a product that doesn't exist. If a buyer thinks it's a real product that's going to have to fall on their shoulders for being a sheep.

I don't think fake pharmaceutical is as bad as bad/non-dosed gear.


Exactly. However after reading it was bunk or some was bunk, that is screwing everyone on every angle.
 
I remember the young man. Brash, arrogant, in need of a male role model. 98% of guys aren't as vocal but most of us breaking the law are of the belief that it won't happen to us.
I didn't see this thread in the Underground so I started a new thread where legal news usually goes. Most guys who have been in the Federal system aren't happy when we see someone starting the long, lonely journey that more often than not destroys the families of those involved leaving children without their Fathers and most of the time takes the bread winner out of the home.
If Musclehead and the others indicted own a home it will be seized by our gov't along with any vehicles, jewelry, etc that were bought with proceeds from the conspiracy. Musclehead is now broke. Unless he had a federal attorney on retainer prior to being indicted he will not have money for a private attorney. All bank accounts, retirement accounts, any and all outlets that cash can be stashed and that he is associated with are frozen and will legally become the gov'ts.
The minimum to retain a federal attorney 10 yrs ago was about $50,000. That gets you the bare minimum. He'll show up at your court dates. If you sign the first deal they come with and there are no complications that $50k should do it. If you are planning on going to trial you can expect your legal bill to be a min of $200k. This is in contrast where it will run you, depending on the crime, $2,000 to $5,000 to retain an attorney in state court.
If he doesn't go along with what the US Attorney prosecuting the case has planned he is going to live the entire nightmare. If he has parents or other loved ones that he has helped out financially the gov't will go after them. If he lent his parents money even 1 time to make a mortgage payment its called intermingling funds and his parents home that they have lived for 25 yrs can and will be seized unless he cooperates.
If he rolls over and is able to give the feds enough information about others involved in his offense or has info that may lead to an investigation and eventual indictment of others the gov't is interested in he may have a chance at getting out on bond.
Someone who owns a home or owns property that musclehead can convince to sign over to the gov't may be enough to get out on pretrial supervision instead of him sitting in a county jail or Federal holding. I don't remember if there is a MDC or MCC where the indictment and crime originated out of?
If he mans up and doesn't cooperate with the feds he will sit and won't see the light of day without handcuffs and leg shackles for the foreseeable future.
From the articles I've read musclehead is being accused of being the leader of the conspiracy. This figures in the length of his sentence. As the leader of the conspiracy he will most likely be given an enhancement which separates him from the others involved.
The enhancement will make the offense level of his crime greater. If the original offense level of his crime is say 24, an enhancement for being the leader could make his offense level 26.
If he is of substantial assistance to the gov't in prosecuting others in his conspiracy or others in another crime, he could possibly be given a downward departure from the guidelines knocking time off his sentence. In order for that to happen he will essentially have to ruin the lives of other people.
He's going to do time. That's a fact. His criminal history is the other things that is taken into consideration when figuring the length of his sentence. He is going to be in Criminal Category 0 through 6. 6 being the worst.
The sentencing guidelines pretty much take control out of the hands of Federal Judges.
Once the judge agrees on what his offense level is as well as what criminal category he fits into(US Probation does a pre sentencing investigation to decide the category) the 2 numbers are plugged into the sentencing guidelines chart. You go down the side of the chart until you reach the offense level(his is probably somewhere between 24 and 30). You then go across til you reach his criminal category. The closer you get to category 6 the more time you are gonna do. Lets guess and figure he's been good with one or 2 misdemeanors in the last 15yrs. Maybe he's a criminal category 2. Where the 2 intersect is the amount of time he will be sentenced to. I would guess(its a wild guess this early on) that he is looking at 36 to 48 months. Maybe a little more.
If he was on state probation or this is his second offense for selling gear he could be looking at 6, 7 or even more years. I don't get that impression, though. In steroid cased we've seen over the years guys do between 3 and not more than 5 yrs.
After that, he's going to have 3 yrs of supervised release(probation) to deal with. To say that the experience is a life changing event would be a huge understatement.
Thanks for making me relive my nightmare. Mine was for juice and I didn't cooperate. They busted my mom for pills, showed up at my dads work multiple times, my sisters and were going to charge my girlfriend who had nothing to do with it until I finally made the decision to sign. Attorny got me a deal for 2 years and 3 years supervised but I had to pay a huge ass fine as I got a pretty good job while out on bail. God forbid you take advantage of the time out.

As far as bail, depends on who pops you. If it's FDA you are going state first then the case will be transferred. DEA and you are going straight fed. Just depends how and who gets you. Great post though.
 
Thanks for making me relive my nightmare. Mine was for juice and I didn't cooperate. They busted my mom for pills, showed up at my dads work multiple times, my sisters and were going to charge my girlfriend who had nothing to do with it until I finally made the decision to sign. Attorny got me a deal for 2 years and 3 years supervised but I had to pay a huge ass fine as I got a pretty good job while out on bail. God forbid you take advantage of the time out.

As far as bail, depends on who pops you. If it's FDA you are going state first then the case will be transferred. DEA and you are going straight fed. Just depends how and who gets you. Great post though.

Stoppa. I think you told me this in a PM once upon a time a couple of years back, but your pop was for distro, no?
 
Yeah and fed time your going to do 85% I believe can't remember.

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Yes, sir. It's 85%. However, for the last 15 years or so(may be even longer), the feds have a residential drug and alcohol program(DAP) that many offenders are eligible to take that reduces the sentence they are serving by as much as 1yr as well as making them eligible for 6 months of halfway house time. The halfway house time they have coming but taking the DAP program gives that individual priority over an inmate who hasn't taken the program. Federal Halfway houses and the beds inside them are in high demand. This is another money making racket that could be the subject of another thread at another time.
A soon to be convicted felon in the federal system can have their attorney ask the sentencing judge to recommend the residential drug program for their client. The convict need only say that he or she was under the influence of drugs and or alcohol at some point before or during the time they committed the offense they are going to be incarcerated for.
During the pre-sentencing investigation the defendant will be interviewed by the US Probation dept. The individual whether or not he has a substance abuse issue or not, and if they desire to be released from prison a year earlier than they would if they decide to say they don't have an issue, should declare they used alcohol and or drugs during the time they committed the offense they will be incarcerated for.
There are very few things that will disqualify an individual. The one that is the most often an issue is if a firearm was involved in the offense in some way.
The DAP program is a source of a lot of stress and discussion among inmates at every federal facility that houses or holds federal inmates. Guys can be observed discussing and calculating release dates which depend on when they become eligible to start the program. Again, a new thread could be started to discuss this part of the nightmare.
I have stories surrounding my time as a federal inmate that are gut busting hilarious(to myself and others involved, anyway.) to instances that had me more terrified than at any other time in my life. Feelings of utter helplessness and times of sadness I can recall at times today that I have a hard time shaking.
I also discovered things about myself I wouldn't have had I not found myself where I did. I know I can get through anything this life can throw at me. I'm stronger than I thought I ever could be. I also found some things out about myself that I don't know what to with outside the walls of prison.
Inside the confines of prison life, I'm what I would have called another person with the same feelings and beliefs I hold before being incarcerated,I'm prejudiced or racist. I find myself, for lack of a better word, EMBRACING the politics that are part of prison life.
Federal Prisons in the state of CA. are subject to the same politics as State Prisons. The same is not true for Federal Prisons back East, for example. That's not to say that there are no politics, they just aren't as all encompassing. There are reasons that again could be part of another thread.
I get caught up in different thoughts and feelings I haven't experienced in some time talking about these things. The system is broken. I hate it.
 
I remember the young man. Brash, arrogant, in need of a male role model. 98% of guys aren't as vocal but most of us breaking the law are of the belief that it won't happen to us.
I didn't see this thread in the Underground so I started a new thread where legal news usually goes. Most guys who have been in the Federal system aren't happy when we see someone starting the long, lonely journey that more often than not destroys the families of those involved leaving children without their Fathers and most of the time takes the bread winner out of the home.
If Musclehead and the others indicted own a home it will be seized by our gov't along with any vehicles, jewelry, etc that were bought with proceeds from the conspiracy. Musclehead is now broke. Unless he had a federal attorney on retainer prior to being indicted he will not have money for a private attorney. All bank accounts, retirement accounts, any and all outlets that cash can be stashed and that he is associated with are frozen and will legally become the gov'ts.
The minimum to retain a federal attorney 10 yrs ago was about $50,000. That gets you the bare minimum. He'll show up at your court dates. If you sign the first deal they come with and there are no complications that $50k should do it. If you are planning on going to trial you can expect your legal bill to be a min of $200k. This is in contrast where it will run you, depending on the crime, $2,000 to $5,000 to retain an attorney in state court.
If he doesn't go along with what the US Attorney prosecuting the case has planned he is going to live the entire nightmare. If he has parents or other loved ones that he has helped out financially the gov't will go after them. If he lent his parents money even 1 time to make a mortgage payment its called intermingling funds and his parents home that they have lived for 25 yrs can and will be seized unless he cooperates.
If he rolls over and is able to give the feds enough information about others involved in his offense or has info that may lead to an investigation and eventual indictment of others the gov't is interested in he may have a chance at getting out on bond.
Someone who owns a home or owns property that musclehead can convince to sign over to the gov't may be enough to get out on pretrial supervision instead of him sitting in a county jail or Federal holding. I don't remember if there is a MDC or MCC where the indictment and crime originated out of?
If he mans up and doesn't cooperate with the feds he will sit and won't see the light of day without handcuffs and leg shackles for the foreseeable future.
From the articles I've read musclehead is being accused of being the leader of the conspiracy. This figures in the length of his sentence. As the leader of the conspiracy he will most likely be given an enhancement which separates him from the others involved.
The enhancement will make the offense level of his crime greater. If the original offense level of his crime is say 24, an enhancement for being the leader could make his offense level 26.
If he is of substantial assistance to the gov't in prosecuting others in his conspiracy or others in another crime, he could possibly be given a downward departure from the guidelines knocking time off his sentence. In order for that to happen he will essentially have to ruin the lives of other people.
He's going to do time. That's a fact. His criminal history is the other things that is taken into consideration when figuring the length of his sentence. He is going to be in Criminal Category 0 through 6. 6 being the worst.
The sentencing guidelines pretty much take control out of the hands of Federal Judges.
Once the judge agrees on what his offense level is as well as what criminal category he fits into(US Probation does a pre sentencing investigation to decide the category) the 2 numbers are plugged into the sentencing guidelines chart. You go down the side of the chart until you reach the offense level(his is probably somewhere between 24 and 30). You then go across til you reach his criminal category. The closer you get to category 6 the more time you are gonna do. Lets guess and figure he's been good with one or 2 misdemeanors in the last 15yrs. Maybe he's a criminal category 2. Where the 2 intersect is the amount of time he will be sentenced to. I would guess(its a wild guess this early on) that he is looking at 36 to 48 months. Maybe a little more.
If he was on state probation or this is his second offense for selling gear he could be looking at 6, 7 or even more years. I don't get that impression, though. In steroid cased we've seen over the years guys do between 3 and not more than 5 yrs.
After that, he's going to have 3 yrs of supervised release(probation) to deal with. To say that the experience is a life changing event would be a huge understatement.

State trafficking charges are a mandatory 10 years. Where I am at you do about 3.5 to 4 years. So in the feds you do 90% to 100%? I have a bro that did 9 on 10years for trafficking, but he was in a state with no parole. Our state court system will let you sit in jail for years while you wait for trial, unless you take the plea....leading to high conviction rates.
 
I remember the young man. Brash, arrogant, in need of a male role model. 98% of guys aren't as vocal but most of us breaking the law are of the belief that it won't happen to us.
I didn't see this thread in the Underground so I started a new thread where legal news usually goes. Most guys who have been in the Federal system aren't happy when we see someone starting the long, lonely journey that more often than not destroys the families of those involved leaving children without their Fathers and most of the time takes the bread winner out of the home.
If Musclehead and the others indicted own a home it will be seized by our gov't along with any vehicles, jewelry, etc that were bought with proceeds from the conspiracy. Musclehead is now broke. Unless he had a federal attorney on retainer prior to being indicted he will not have money for a private attorney. All bank accounts, retirement accounts, any and all outlets that cash can be stashed and that he is associated with are frozen and will legally become the gov'ts.
The minimum to retain a federal attorney 10 yrs ago was about $50,000. That gets you the bare minimum. He'll show up at your court dates. If you sign the first deal they come with and there are no complications that $50k should do it. If you are planning on going to trial you can expect your legal bill to be a min of $200k. This is in contrast where it will run you, depending on the crime, $2,000 to $5,000 to retain an attorney in state court.
If he doesn't go along with what the US Attorney prosecuting the case has planned he is going to live the entire nightmare. If he has parents or other loved ones that he has helped out financially the gov't will go after them. If he lent his parents money even 1 time to make a mortgage payment its called intermingling funds and his parents home that they have lived for 25 yrs can and will be seized unless he cooperates.
If he rolls over and is able to give the feds enough information about others involved in his offense or has info that may lead to an investigation and eventual indictment of others the gov't is interested in he may have a chance at getting out on bond.
Someone who owns a home or owns property that musclehead can convince to sign over to the gov't may be enough to get out on pretrial supervision instead of him sitting in a county jail or Federal holding. I don't remember if there is a MDC or MCC where the indictment and crime originated out of?
If he mans up and doesn't cooperate with the feds he will sit and won't see the light of day without handcuffs and leg shackles for the foreseeable future.
From the articles I've read musclehead is being accused of being the leader of the conspiracy. This figures in the length of his sentence. As the leader of the conspiracy he will most likely be given an enhancement which separates him from the others involved.
The enhancement will make the offense level of his crime greater. If the original offense level of his crime is say 24, an enhancement for being the leader could make his offense level 26.
If he is of substantial assistance to the gov't in prosecuting others in his conspiracy or others in another crime, he could possibly be given a downward departure from the guidelines knocking time off his sentence. In order for that to happen he will essentially have to ruin the lives of other people.
He's going to do time. That's a fact. His criminal history is the other things that is taken into consideration when figuring the length of his sentence. He is going to be in Criminal Category 0 through 6. 6 being the worst.
The sentencing guidelines pretty much take control out of the hands of Federal Judges.
Once the judge agrees on what his offense level is as well as what criminal category he fits into(US Probation does a pre sentencing investigation to decide the category) the 2 numbers are plugged into the sentencing guidelines chart. You go down the side of the chart until you reach the offense level(his is probably somewhere between 24 and 30). You then go across til you reach his criminal category. The closer you get to category 6 the more time you are gonna do. Lets guess and figure he's been good with one or 2 misdemeanors in the last 15yrs. Maybe he's a criminal category 2. Where the 2 intersect is the amount of time he will be sentenced to. I would guess(its a wild guess this early on) that he is looking at 36 to 48 months. Maybe a little more.
If he was on state probation or this is his second offense for selling gear he could be looking at 6, 7 or even more years. I don't get that impression, though. In steroid cased we've seen over the years guys do between 3 and not more than 5 yrs.
After that, he's going to have 3 yrs of supervised release(probation) to deal with. To say that the experience is a life changing event would be a huge understatement.
Well there it is there bigger Ben broke it down for us ty brother and I hope all is well with you and yours brother
 
Yes, sir. It's 85%. However, for the last 15 years or so(may be even longer), the feds have a residential drug and alcohol program(DAP) that many offenders are eligible to take that reduces the sentence they are serving by as much as 1yr as well as making them eligible for 6 months of halfway house time. The halfway house time they have coming but taking the DAP program gives that individual priority over an inmate who hasn't taken the program. Federal Halfway houses and the beds inside them are in high demand. This is another money making racket that could be the subject of another thread at another time.
A soon to be convicted felon in the federal system can have their attorney ask the sentencing judge to recommend the residential drug program for their client. The convict need only say that he or she was under the influence of drugs and or alcohol at some point before or during the time they committed the offense they are going to be incarcerated for.
During the pre-sentencing investigation the defendant will be interviewed by the US Probation dept. The individual whether or not he has a substance abuse issue or not, and if they desire to be released from prison a year earlier than they would if they decide to say they don't have an issue, should declare they used alcohol and or drugs during the time they committed the offense they will be incarcerated for.
There are very few things that will disqualify an individual. The one that is the most often an issue is if a firearm was involved in the offense in some way.
The DAP program is a source of a lot of stress and discussion among inmates at every federal facility that houses or holds federal inmates. Guys can be observed discussing and calculating release dates which depend on when they become eligible to start the program. Again, a new thread could be started to discuss this part of the nightmare.
I have stories surrounding my time as a federal inmate that are gut busting hilarious(to myself and others involved, anyway.) to instances that had me more terrified than at any other time in my life. Feelings of utter helplessness and times of sadness I can recall at times today that I have a hard time shaking.
I also discovered things about myself I wouldn't have had I not found myself where I did. I know I can get through anything this life can throw at me. I'm stronger than I thought I ever could be. I also found some things out about myself that I don't know what to with outside the walls of prison.
Inside the confines of prison life, I'm what I would have called another person with the same feelings and beliefs I hold before being incarcerated,I'm prejudiced or racist. I find myself, for lack of a better word, EMBRACING the politics that are part of prison life.
Federal Prisons in the state of CA. are subject to the same politics as State Prisons. The same is not true for Federal Prisons back East, for example. That's not to say that there are no politics, they just aren't as all encompassing. There are reasons that again could be part of another thread.
I get caught up in different thoughts and feelings I haven't experienced in some time talking about these things. The system is broken. I hate it.
Ca prisons are by far the craziest imo I'm sure even crazier now that you can talk to homeboys in other prison from a cell phone word travels a lot faster on a phone then a paper
 
State trafficking charges are a mandatory 10 years. Where I am at you do about 3.5 to 4 years. So in the feds you do 90% to 100%? I have a bro that did 9 on 10years for trafficking, but he was in a state with no parole. Our state court system will let you sit in jail for years while you wait for trial, unless you take the plea....leading to high conviction rates.
3 years 4 months and twenty eight days on a 10 state. Or 40 month's. If you don't catch something else while down.

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And not just meso but Promuscle, Evo, AB, Facebook, and instagram among others i don't know about. He went out of his way to fucking scam you and now people want to have a pity party for him? Lol fuck that. Bro he hit me up on insta and not too long after i saw that turd floating around in here.

What's funny to me is I honestly thought he was a stand up guy..and really cared about/looked out for others from the way he portrayed himself on social media. And thought wow!!..he's different and not fake as fuck like them other fitness "celebrities". Then I fortunately stumbled upon his rude and arrogant ass on meso and came to a realization and conclusion that he may very well be working for, or even owning onyx. He blocked me on insta for asking him questions regarding this and lo and behold..he got caught lol...

Sure he doesn't deserve a long prison sentence and no chance of landing employment...but he deserves to be chastised to some degree. Especially for being a lying cunt and honestly wasting peoples' money and time.
 
3 years 4 months and twenty eight days on a 10 state. Or 40 month's. If you don't catch something else while down.

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Here in Cali, they've got guys serving 4 and 5 yrs on the 10 and doing it all in County jail.
Unless it's violent you aren't going up. If you've never been to County like CDC or Sacrameto you may not be able to grasp what it has to be like to sit in a shit hole like that counting off 48 months 1 after another.
San Bernardino (CDC) and Sac County have a contract with the Feds to house Federal inmates. That entire area, the jail included, is a cesspool. The cops are thugs just looking for an excuse to fuck you up. Never seen anything like it.
 
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