Cycle ideas opinions wanted

[StephenMB]

I'm considering starting a cycle, and well... what I've come to the idea of is going on a test/anabol cycle and would like to know if this would be a good first cycle to go on and what sort of time scales and dosages that are recommended?

I'm not training to get huge, I'm a fighter. Just need some muscle definition, strength and size hopefully. But I train to kick butt predominantly.

Any advice would be appreciated

 

[Kaladin]

You need to do better research. Nobody here is going to help you with this. If you want to run aas, study what you are going to be doing and come up with the best plan of action for yourself.

 

[Swim]

Not that I'm experienced but I've read enough to know that the majority will suggest test only for the first cycle , typically at 500 mgs per week for 8 to 14 weeks with 12 being the most common imo. Hcg can be used as well, Imo you should use it but some male the argument that with first cycle your body will recover well without it. I use it in hopes that I'll recover that much more better than if I didn't. Recovery is paramount for keeping gains lost cycle
Get some ai in case your estrogen raises, and be sure to have all pct on hand before ever pinning

 

[StephenMB]

Not that I'm experienced but I've read enough to know that the majority will suggest test only for the first cycle , typically at 500 mgs per week for 8 to 14 weeks with 12 being the most common imo. Hcg can be used as well, Imo you should use it but some male the argument that with first cycle your body will recover well without it. I use it in hopes that I'll recover that much more better than if I didn't. Recovery is paramount for keeping gains lost cycle
Get some ai in case your estrogen raises, and be sure to have all pct on hand before ever pinning

Thanks for your constructive response, I haven't actually got anything to hand at the moment by know I'll need clom or nolv for pct or something to that effect. Which I'll be sure to get because I don't want titties! But you're advising here even for a first cycle to do 500 per week? Assuming by that it's usually suggested to do it twice a week so

2x@250mg / week
12 weeks on

12 weeks pct

 

[Swim]

Thanks for your constructive response, I haven't actually got anything to hand at the moment by know I'll need clom or nolv for pct or something to that effect. Which I'll be sure to get because I don't want titties! But you're advising here even for a first cycle to do 500 per week? Assuming by that it's usually suggested to do it twice a week so

2x@250mg / week
12 weeks on

12 weeks pct

Won't need 12 weeks of pct. Do 12 weeks of test, let 2-4 weeks pass then start a 4 week pct. There are tons of pct protocols out there, meso even has some info pinned

 

[StephenMB]

Won't need 12 weeks of pct. Do 12 weeks of test, let 2-4 weeks pass then start a 4 week pct. There are tons of pct protocols out there, meso even has some info pinned

Ahh I'm with you, I've seen difference in opinion from what people say, some say you're to match time off that you have on and others say you have 2/3 of time off than on.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Ahh I'm with you, I've seen difference in opinion from what people say, some say you're to match time off that you have on and others say you have 2/3 of time off than on.

The golden rule is time on equal time off. This allows your body to recover. OP, I highly recommend you do more research as it appears you are lacking. Many will come here and provide us with their best possible 1st cycle ideas... where you don't even know what dosage, pct, bloodwork, etc That's a big red flag you're going to fuck yourself up!

Everyone here wants to help,including me.. but I'll be the first to tell you that if your training and dieting is shit.. then no AAS in the world will help you! If you can avoid AAS and train natty.. that's even better!! Also, if you're under 23...don't even think about it!

 

[Wunderpus]

I'm considering starting a cycle, and well... what I've come to the idea of is going on a test/anabol cycle and would like to know if this would be a good first cycle to go on and what sort of time scales and dosages that are recommended?

I'm not training to get huge, I'm a fighter. Just need some muscle definition, strength and size hopefully. But I train to kick butt predominantly.

Any advice would be appreciated

10 Weeks of 500mg's/week test enanthate, first 3-4 weeks you can run your anadrol starting at 50mg's/day for the first 10 or so days, bump to 100mg's/day if you don't have any BP related sides.

Look into Scally's Power PCT to time your PCT and the process.

Buy all PCT items BEFORE starting the cycle. Only buy pharma PCT products, not UGL.

Good luck.

 

[StephenMB]

The golden rule is time on equal time off. This allows your body to recover. OP, I highly recommend you do more research as it appears you are lacking. Many will come here and provide us with their best possible 1st cycle ideas... where you don't even know what dosage, pct, bloodwork, etc That's a big red flag you're going to fuck yourself up!

Everyone here wants to help,including me.. but I'll be the first to tell you that if your training and dieting is shit.. then no AAS in the world will help you! If you can avoid AAS and train natty.. that's even better!! Also, if you're under 23...don't even think about it!

Thanks for your response, I am lacking in knowledge having never done it before but I've read hundreds of pages of stuff relating to it and spent many hours trying to expand my knowledge. The thing that I'm unsure of is the dosage amounts that would be best suited for me for a) the type of gains I want and b) the height/weight/body fat % I have etc.

I don't do much weight training, but I do a lot of padwork, bagwork, sparring and cardio as well as jiujitsu drills and all this is tied in with circuit training. I do running, swimming and a little weight training on the side but not much.

And not to worry about my age I'm 27, I've considered doing this for years but opted out of it for the "natural gains" option where I think I've hit my ceiling with my body type being between mesomorphic and ectomorphic I think I'm at the stage now where ass will help. Just find it hard to decipher exactly what core dosages to go on based on this information

 

[Flaming Dragon]

Thanks for your response, I am lacking in knowledge having never done it before but I've read hundreds of pages of stuff relating to it and spent many hours trying to expand my knowledge. The thing that I'm unsure of is the dosage amounts that would be best suited for me for a) the type of gains I want and b) the height/weight/body fat % I have etc.

I don't do much weight training, but I do a lot of padwork, bagwork, sparring and cardio as well as jiujitsu drills and all this is tied in with circuit training. I do running, swimming and a little weight training on the side but not much.

And not to worry about my age I'm 27, I've considered doing this for years but opted out of it for the "natural gains" option where I think I've hit my ceiling with my body type being between mesomorphic and ectomorphic I think I'm at the stage now where ass will help. Just find it hard to decipher exactly what core dosages to go on based on this information

What weight class you think you can achieve greatest W vs L? IMO, being "big" doesn't guarantee you a win in an MMA setting. The Strength and Size will come while on AAS.. But as you go into PCT, most likely you'll lose some gains. Also, have you taken into consideration the affect of AAS on your hormones and the possibility of being infertile (if you haven't start a family yet).

 

[StephenMB]

What weight class you think you can achieve greatest W vs L? IMO, being "big" doesn't guarantee you a win in an MMA setting. The Strength and Size will come while on AAS.. But as you go into PCT, most likely you'll lose some gains. Also, have you taken into consideration the affect of AAS on your hormones and the possibility of being infertile (if you haven't start a family yet).

I don't want to be "big" I just want muscle definition, size and strength. I know that a win isn't gaurunteed that comes with training and merticulous planning!

I'm currently 11 1/2 stone, which is lightweight I believe. With 16% body fat and I'm trying to cut the fat, gain muscle density and either gain masses of muscle and go up in weight or strip all the fat and go down in weight.

As for infertility I know that could be a potential downfall of aas but I already have the most perfect child and although I'd like more, if it can't happen it won't be the end of the world.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I don't want to be "big" I just want muscle definition, size and strength. I know that a win isn't gaurunteed that comes with training and merticulous planning!

I'm currently 11 1/2 stone, which is lightweight I believe. With 16% body fat and I'm trying to cut the fat, gain muscle density and either gain masses of muscle and go up in weight or strip all the fat and go down in weight.

As for infertility I know that could be a potential downfall of aas but I already have the most perfect child and although I'd like more, if it can't happen it won't be the end of the world.

Fair enough.. then your propose cycle of 2x250mg per week for 12 weeks will do you good! Here's what I can offer as for cycle recommendation

1. pre-blood and full health check (know your base level)
2. Gather all your AAS and PCT (make sure your PCT is Pharma grade)
3. AI's- don't take unless you start seeing early signs of E2 elevation
4. HCG- is good to help keep your testicle from looking like raisins
5. Get mid-cycle blood work around week 5 or 6 this will determine if your gear is dosage correctly and also if you need to add/increase/decrease AI's.
6. Wait 4 weeks after your last pin to start PCT
7. After PCT..wait another 4 weeks or more before doing another blood work

During cycle and if you have a lady friend.. You'll be wanting to slam her P every night! Don't expect Test E or C to kick in until week 4 or so. Also, during PCT you will experience low to zero libido and sometime your pecker will go on limp mode! So, make sure you get yourself Cialis.

 

[StephenMB]

Fair enough.. then your propose cycle of 2x250mg per week for 12 weeks will do you good! Here's what I can offer as for cycle recommendation

1. pre-blood and full health check (know your base level)
2. Gather all your AAS and PCT (make sure your PCT is Pharma grade)
3. AI's- don't take unless you start seeing early signs of E2 elevation
4. HCG- is good to help keep your testicle from looking like raisins
5. Get mid-cycle blood work around week 5 or 6 this will determine if your gear is dosage correctly and also if you need to add/increase/decrease AI's.
6. Wait 4 weeks after your last pin to start PCT
7. After PCT..wait another 4 weeks or more before doing another blood work

During cycle and if you have a lady friend.. You'll be wanting to slam her P every night! Don't expect Test E or C to kick in until week 4 or so. Also, during PCT you will experience low to zero libido and sometime your pecker will go on limp mode! So, make sure you get yourself Cialis.

See I wasn't sure if the 250x2 was a good idea, or if I should bump it up with something else like an oral or something. But thanks for your constructive response!

1. I'll do that through medicheck who will give me the blood work, however, unsure with not having blood work done for a cycle what I'm looking for within these BWT
2. I haven't got my AAS yet nor my PCT but I can get them all at the same time. For pct is there anything else you would advise other than Clomid, letro and nolva and also if you take them in conjunction with one another or only one of those specifically
3. I'm gonna get some aromasin just in case but no would only take if I got 'puffy nips'
4. I'll be getting hcg also
5. This again is as confusing to me as number 1, as in what are we looking for in ways of dosage and adding AI
6 & 7. Roger

I can imagine that with the raise in testosterone that you would be wanting just that also, which is contradicted everywhere saying that on test you have no sex drive. But yeah I'll get some V just in case otherwise no P for me

 

[Flaming Dragon]

See I wasn't sure if the 250x2 was a good idea, or if I should bump it up with something else like an oral or something. But thanks for your constructive response!

1. I'll do that through medicheck who will give me the blood work, however, unsure with not having blood work done for a cycle what I'm looking for within these BWT
2. I haven't got my AAS yet nor my PCT but I can get them all at the same time. For pct is there anything else you would advise other than Clomid, letro and nolva and also if you take them in conjunction with one another or only one of those specifically
3. I'm gonna get some aromasin just in case but no would only take if I got 'puffy nips'
4. I'll be getting hcg also
5. This again is as confusing to me as number 1, as in what are we looking for in ways of dosage and adding AI
6 & 7. Roger

I can imagine that with the raise in testosterone that you would be wanting just that also, which is contradicted everywhere saying that on test you have no sex drive. But yeah I'll get some V just in case otherwise no P for me

250x2 is a good starting point for a new cycler. Don't add orals, and follow the term KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
1. Blood work means getting all your blood levels and a good picture of your Testosterone and Estrogen levels.
2. You don't need letro (it will crash your E2 and harsh!). Many will advocate Clomid and Nolva together- which is fine! But with your cycle, a simple Nolva only will work.
3. aromasin will works (just adjust accordingly after your mid-cycle blood work)
4. Perfect. Take HCG 250iux2 and allow 72hrs after last pin of HCG before starting PCT
5. Since most AAS you'll be purchase comes from a UGL. Some UGL usually dose 10% more above label dosage. But you have some, that sells you just plain oil (it's bunk gear or very little Test) that you'll need to increase or decrease depending on how your bloodwork comes out. AI's will come into play when you're experiencing symptoms of elevated E2

There's no contradiction in regards that increase of Test will make you more horny-It will- if you control your E2 level. Many will let their E2 get out of control and one of the problems with high E2 is sexual dysfunction.

 

[Eman45]

I'm considering starting a cycle, and well... what I've come to the idea of is going on a test/anabol cycle and would like to know if this would be a good first cycle to go on and what sort of time scales and dosages that are recommended?

I'm not training to get huge, I'm a fighter. Just need some muscle definition, strength and size hopefully. But I train to kick butt predominantly.

Any advice would be appreciated

Test only is usually protcal for first cycle you don't no how you will respond and everyone is different. And if you add dbol you won't no what gave you the side effects. And if your not looking for size drop the dbol. Test will be plenty for what your asking 400-500mg a week and have the shit you need for on cycle and pct not going into that for you. And if you don't no what I'm talking about then research research research. Last thing you want is to be bloated with bitch tits.

 

[StephenMB]

250x2 is a good starting point for a new cycler. Don't add orals, and follow the term KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid).
1. Blood work means getting all your blood levels and a good picture of your Testosterone and Estrogen levels.
2. You don't need letro (it will crash your E2 and harsh!). Many will advocate Clomid and Nolva together- which is fine! But with your cycle, a simple Nolva only will work.
3. aromasin will works (just adjust accordingly after your mid-cycle blood work)
4. Perfect. Take HCG 250iux2 and allow 72hrs after last pin of HCG before starting PCT
5. Since most AAS you'll be purchase comes from a UGL. Some UGL usually dose 10% more above label dosage. But you have some, that sells you just plain oil (it's bunk gear or very little Test) that you'll need to increase or decrease depending on how your bloodwork comes out. AI's will come into play when you're experiencing symptoms of elevated E2

There's no contradiction in regards that increase of Test will make you more horny-It will- if you control your E2 level. Many will let their E2 get out of control and one of the problems with high E2 is sexual dysfunction.

1. I know blood work is to see if you have the right levels, etc but with never having it do they actually explain to you that you have x amount of testosterone or x amount of estrogen in your system? Or is there something more defining that I have to look for?
2. I was just thinking about the specifics of what I'll need, if I don't need letro I'll just get clom and nolva and use that like 4 weeks after last pin of my cycle.
3. Wilco gonna get aromasin on hand then mid bloods and whether I'll have to adjust
4. You can use hcg mid cycle though can't you? Or in conjunction with your cycle towards the end before starting pct
5. Now that makes sense in case it's bash gear that has no test.

It's only contradictory between people because some people I've spoken to said that they have little to no sex drive and others say they're a raging bull most of time time.

Also another guy I was speaking to said I should start pct 2 weeks before last test pin... which I questioned but he said that's the right way when everyone else has told me to wait like 4 weeks and everywhere I've read up on said the same...

 

[StephenMB]

Test only is usually protcal for first cycle you don't no how you will respond and everyone is different. And if you add dbol you won't no what gave you the side effects. And if your not looking for size drop the dbol. Test will be plenty for what your asking 400-500mg a week and have the shit you need for on cycle and pct not going into that for you. And if you don't no what I'm talking about then research research research. Last thing you want is to be bloated with bitch tits.

Thanks for your response, I'm still debating between test 300 and test 400. And I don't want dbol at all, it's the worst thing to take for what I want to achieve. Also I know all about the pct and what it requires I've done plenty of research before posting here. Just looking for opinions before committing to pinning

 

[Xlgx]

Thoughts on test mast and primo. I am more into the dryer harder look without or less estrogenic sides and water retention.

 

[Eman45]

Just ran mast p for first time 8 weeks 600mg. Love that shit. Ran winny and var. mast is much better. Will be doing a stack with winny n var n low dose test 250mg a week. I see how the winny n var stack together again mast. Just think mast is a much better option less sides and just better for u all around not being an oral

 

[Flaming Dragon]

1. I know blood work is to see if you have the right levels, etc but with never having it do they actually explain to you that you have x amount of testosterone or x amount of estrogen in your system? Or is there something more defining that I have to look for?
2. I was just thinking about the specifics of what I'll need, if I don't need letro I'll just get clom and nolva and use that like 4 weeks after last pin of my cycle.
3. Wilco gonna get aromasin on hand then mid bloods and whether I'll have to adjust
4. You can use hcg mid cycle though can't you? Or in conjunction with your cycle towards the end before starting pct
5. Now that makes sense in case it's bash gear that has no test.

It's only contradictory between people because some people I've spoken to said that they have little to no sex drive and others say they're a raging bull most of time time.

Also another guy I was speaking to said I should start pct 2 weeks before last test pin... which I questioned but he said that's the right way when everyone else has told me to wait like 4 weeks and everywhere I've read up on said the same...

Last answer and then you're on your own in deciding what you want to do..

Once you get your bloodwork results- this will be your baseline thru out your cycle and PCT.. After PCT, run another blood work and compare.. if you're close or near your pre-cycle blood work it means your cycle was good and can begin another (if you choose too)

You run HCG thru your cycle from week 2 and up to 72hr before you start PCT

That's why it's important to only run one compound at a time (if it's your 1st time) and see how your body react. AAS effect each individual different as how much or fast your body can metabolize the compound. Remember, Testosterone does aromatase into Estrogen.. Increase Test= increase E2.


As for the "another guy" you need to punch him in the face! If everyone has been telling you 4 weeks (including me) vs this "another guy" who tells your 2 weeks before last pin.. and you still questioned.....Well, it appears this "another guy" has your ears.. So whatever we (the majority) tell you.. you're not going to listen..