depressed

[dalac]

hello guys, excuse me of my bad english

When I was 18 I started to use steroids, now Im 25 and I feel Im fucked up

did many cycles everything was okay until my last cycle which I did for 3 months 2,3,4.2017, did also pct for 3 weeks, I just wanted to try cycle where tren is higher than test so I did first weeks 600mg of tren e along with 500test e, then I uped 1000mg of tren e and 750 test e and added 300mg of tren a last 3 weeks, problem came out right after cycle I felt like I have no test in my body, absolute zero sex drive, I just couldnt get fuckin errection with my gf, now its 3 months later and nothing changed same problems

I visited a doktor he said that my test is low and I shold wait 3 months more then we will see if I need some therapy, Im really depressed about it

any thoughts about it? any feedback is appreciated

forgot about AI did exemestane 25mg every day

 

[eryximachus]

This is a very common outcome of using trenbolone. The good news is that you will probably get better and sooner than you think, but do understand that this more than likely not simply low testosterone. 600mg of tren per week is, frankly, a shit ton. No one should be running doses of tren e, or really any tren e, unless you are on TRT. The reality is due to the ester and dosage, tren - one of the most suppressive anabolic steroids - was still active in your system until very recently. So, it is no wonder your PCT did not work.

Now is the time to attempt another PCT. Since you are in distress, I would follow the power PCT protocol. You can google it, as I have long since tired of repeating it. You're working with a doctor, so perhaps mention HCG, clomiphene, nolvodex, etc.

Having been in this situation before myself, I would suggest you would benefit from an agressive depression/anxiety treatment. Start on something like Klonopin at 0.5mg per day for 30 days and simultaneously begin a solid antidepressant, perhaps Wellbutrin as it has limited sexual side effects. Don't discount how bad this can get, especially with a relationship on the line. The depression often can last for months after you have recovered your test levels.

Once upon a time, I was in the same boat. I was out of my mind after some heavy tren abuse. Lost a job, lost a girlfriend. But, I was able to fuck no problem and even hit the gym. In many ways, dealing with depression after tren abuse is much more important than getting your test levels up again.

In the future, I think it goes without saying: you should stay away from trenbolone.

 

[dalac]

This is a very common outcome of using trenbolone. The good news is that you will probably get better and sooner than you think, but do understand that this more than likely not simply low testosterone. 600mg of tren per week is, frankly, a shit ton. No one should be running doses of tren e, or really any tren e, unless you are on TRT. The reality is due to the ester and dosage, tren - one of the most suppressive anabolic steroids - was still active in your system until very recently. So, it is no wonder your PCT did not work.

Now is the time to attempt another PCT. Since you are in distress, I would follow the power PCT protocol. You can google it, as I have long since tired of repeating it. You're working with a doctor, so perhaps mention HCG, clomiphene, nolvodex, etc.

Having been in this situation before myself, I would suggest you would benefit from an agressive depression/anxiety treatment. Start on something like Klonopin at 0.5mg per day for 30 days and simultaneously begin a solid antidepressant, perhaps Wellbutrin as it has limited sexual side effects. Don't discount how bad this can get, especially with a relationship on the line. The depression often can last for months after you have recovered your test levels.

Once upon a time, I was in the same boat. I was out of my mind after some heavy tren abuse. Lost a job, lost a girlfriend. But, I was able to fuck no problem and even hit the gym. In many ways, dealing with depression after tren abuse is much more important than getting your test levels up again.

In the future, I think it goes without saying: you should stay away from trenbolone.

hello bro, thank you very much for your time and comment, I appreciat that

about deppresion Im like when Im driving a fuckin car I want to have accident and fuckin die

I did also lost my gf, lost my job and a lot of things changed, now Im trying to dont go down fully and hold my head up a bit, its really hard life situation, Im going to run new PCT soon 4 weeks

clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvad 40/40/20/20

what do you thing ?

I have never did hcg before can you recommend dosage please ?

 

[eryximachus]

Once again, your priority here should be getting your head on straight. Having normal testosterone likely WILL NOT make you feel better.

Like I said, you need to start ASAP with Klonopin and Wellbutrin. Once you start doing that, you can start the power PCT protocol.

First, get 25,000 ius of HCG. Do not take ANY other hormones or drugs that affect hormones. In fact, don't take any other drugs at all besides psychiatric medications. Inject 2,500 ius every other day until you run out (10 injections, about 3 weeks). When you're done, get your testosterone levels checked. If your testosterone levels are in range, you are good to go. If they aren't, you have to go on TRT as your balls no longer work.

For 6 weeks, run clomid at 50mg per day and nolva at 20mg per day. Wait 30 days once you're done. Get tested again. If your testosterone levels are in range, you have recovered.

Please, see a psychiatrist. Over the 10+ years I have been reading this site, literally hundreds of guys have come through here with the exact same story. Many have really lost their minds. I've talked to some on the phone. They are living in their cars, with no job, no money, no food. And they are obsessed with recovering from steroids. They honestly believe just getting that right PCT protocol would turn their lives around. Don't let that be you. You're already seeing a doctor, just go see a psychiatrist too.

 

[dalac]

Once again, your priority here should be getting your head on straight. Having normal testosterone likely WILL NOT make you feel better.

Like I said, you need to start ASAP with Klonopin and Wellbutrin. Once you start doing that, you can start the power PCT protocol.

First, get 25,000 ius of HCG. Do not take ANY other hormones or drugs that affect hormones. In fact, don't take any other drugs at all besides psychiatric medications. Inject 2,500 ius every other day until you run out (10 injections, about 3 weeks). When you're done, get your testosterone levels checked. If your testosterone levels are in range, you are good to go. If they aren't, you have to go on TRT as your balls no longer work.

For 6 weeks, run clomid at 50mg per day and nolva at 20mg per day. Wait 30 days once you're done. Get tested again. If your testosterone levels are in range, you have recovered.

Please, see a psychiatrist. Over the 10+ years I have been reading this site, literally hundreds of guys have come through here with the exact same story. Many have really lost their minds. I've talked to some on the phone. They are living in their cars, with no job, no money, no food. And they are obsessed with recovering from steroids. They honestly believe just getting that right PCT protocol would turn their lives around. Don't let that be you. You're already seeing a doctor, just go see a psychiatrist too.

thank you, I will do my best, I hope

 

[dalac]

here is my lab test, its first time I have done lab test and I have no idea about this numbers

currently on second pct clomin/nolva

what do you think about these numbers?

is it bad?

 

[Jeremiahflex]

hello bro, thank you very much for your time and comment, I appreciat that

about deppresion Im like when Im driving a fuckin car I want to have accident and fuckin die

I did also lost my gf, lost my job and a lot of things changed, now Im trying to dont go down fully and hold my head up a bit, its really hard life situation, Im going to run new PCT soon 4 weeks

clomid 100/100/50/50
nolvad 40/40/20/20

what do you thing ?

I have never did hcg before can you recommend dosage please ?

Talk to someone bro, someone that cares about you. Your depression might not be due to drugs but the situation you're in. Good luck

 

[dalac]

Talk to someone bro, someone that cares about you. Your depression might not be due to drugs but the situation you're in. Good luck

you made me think, thx bro, what do think about my number I posted above, bloodwork

 

[Demondosage]

Once again, your priority here should be getting your head on straight. Having normal testosterone likely WILL NOT make you feel better.

Like I said, you need to start ASAP with Klonopin and Wellbutrin. Once you start doing that, you can start the power PCT protocol.

First, get 25,000 ius of HCG. Do not take ANY other hormones or drugs that affect hormones. In fact, don't take any other drugs at all besides psychiatric medications. Inject 2,500 ius every other day until you run out (10 injections, about 3 weeks). When you're done, get your testosterone levels checked. If your testosterone levels are in range, you are good to go. If they aren't, you have to go on TRT as your balls no longer work.

For 6 weeks, run clomid at 50mg per day and nolva at 20mg per day. Wait 30 days once you're done. Get tested again. If your testosterone levels are in range, you have recovered.

Please, see a psychiatrist. Over the 10+ years I have been reading this site, literally hundreds of guys have come through here with the exact same story. Many have really lost their minds. I've talked to some on the phone. They are living in their cars, with no job, no money, no food. And they are obsessed with recovering from steroids. They honestly believe just getting that right PCT protocol would turn their lives around. Don't let that be you. You're already seeing a doctor, just go see a psychiatrist too.

No disrespect, but having normal testosterone won't fix the problem? Psych meds actually can make testosterone lower btw.

To the original thread, you have to pay to play. You took tren to a gram a week along with test and now you see the aftermath. I agree with your doctor, I'd retest in a other 3 months. Right now you're going to just have to deal with it unless you get on TRT.

 

[Demondosage]

My apologies, I agree now. I didn't finish the entire thread to see all the other shit. Agreed

 

[dalac]

Once again, your priority here should be getting your head on straight. Having normal testosterone likely WILL NOT make you feel better.

Like I said, you need to start ASAP with Klonopin and Wellbutrin. Once you start doing that, you can start the power PCT protocol.

First, get 25,000 ius of HCG. Do not take ANY other hormones or drugs that affect hormones. In fact, don't take any other drugs at all besides psychiatric medications. Inject 2,500 ius every other day until you run out (10 injections, about 3 weeks). When you're done, get your testosterone levels checked. If your testosterone levels are in range, you are good to go. If they aren't, you have to go on TRT as your balls no longer work.

For 6 weeks, run clomid at 50mg per day and nolva at 20mg per day. Wait 30 days once you're done. Get tested again. If your testosterone levels are in range, you have recovered.

Please, see a psychiatrist. Over the 10+ years I have been reading this site, literally hundreds of guys have come through here with the exact same story. Many have really lost their minds. I've talked to some on the phone. They are living in their cars, with no job, no money, no food. And they are obsessed with recovering from steroids. They honestly believe just getting that right PCT protocol would turn their lives around. Don't let that be you. You're already seeing a doctor, just go see a psychiatrist too.

are you still there bro? you are the one who really tryed to help me, I posted bloods can you look at them please

 

[dalac]

I created same threat in Steroid forum section but didnt get any help

 

[Morefyah]

Go see a specialist/endo.
Tell them exactly what happen. Tell them about your depression also. Fuck waiting three months. Your young so there's still hope. Why wait any longer go ASAP!

 

[rated_rko]

Sucks man I wish u all the best on your journey I went thru 10 months for trt myself it sucks

 

[Dr JIM]

Go see a specialist/endo.
Tell them exactly what happen. Tell them about your depression also. Fuck waiting three months. Your young so there's still hope. Why wait any longer go ASAP!

The reason is simple really bc the prolonged use of AAS "stuns" the HTPA by some unknown mechanism (but I suspect the accumulation AAS active metabolites is a major contributor)

PCT is not some magic bullet or panacea for all comers.

In fact since PCT (SERMS in particular) masquerade or offset the effects of a rising E-2, why some continue to believe said therapy is "worth a try" in spite of very LOW endogenous E-2/TT levels fail to understand the mechanics of Post Cycle Therapy.

@Michael Scally MD has written about this extensively and has stated over and over again indicators of ENDOGENOUS RECOVERY, such as a rising TT, E-2 and LH levels, should first be present before PCT is initiated.

And NOTHING but time will reverse the "damage" done by the prolonged use of AAS.