Is nutrient timing overrated?

[Engineer]

26 yr old
200lbs
5'11"

My current macros and split have been as follows

Chest, back, rest, shoulders, arms, legs, rest

Training days (roughly) *Carbs morning, pre, and post workout only*

200g protein
250g carbs
60-75 g fat
2600-3000 calories

Off days
*Carbs morning only*

200-250g protein
Carbs as low as possible (morning only)
Fats 100-125g
Calories 2300-2600

Is this a good approach at building muscle while also cutting fat?

Or would adding in more frequent cardio while eating more carbs give me better results?

Any opinions would be appreciated

First off, nutrient timing isn't all that important as what really matters is long-term consistency. The whole "carbs are bad before bed" is total BS. Focus on hitting your daily macros based on your goals. If anything, make sure you have some carbs before to fuel your training...and then immediately after to maximize the anabolic window. But, don't worry so much about this.

Secondly, I would tell any natty person that building muscle while losing fat isn't all that likely unless you're a fat fucker that just started training. But, AAS gives you the ability to do this quite well if you're using the right compounds.

I would recommend a 500 kcal/day surplus if trying to build muscle, composed of a MINIMUM 1 g protein/lb bodyweight, about 0.5 g fat/lb bodyweight, and then fill in the rest with carbs. So, based on your stats and split that would equate to roughly 3500 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 450g carbs).

For cutting, I would recommend a 500 kcal/day deficit, which would equate to roughly 2500 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 200g carbs).

With all that said, I would strongly recommend you pick either cut or bulk and not try to spin your wheels by doing both at the same...but assuming there is AAS involved...I would suggest setting my macros for recomp. 3000 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 325g carbs).

 

[Daveanthony]

First off, nutrient timing isn't all that important as what really matters is long-term consistency. The whole "carbs are bad before bed" is total BS. Focus on hitting your daily macros based on your goals. If anything, make sure you have some carbs before to fuel your training...and then immediately after to maximize the anabolic window. But, don't worry so much about this.

Secondly, I would tell any natty person that building muscle while losing fat isn't all that likely unless you're a fat fucker that just started training. But, AAS gives you the ability to do this quite well if you're using the right compounds.

I would recommend a 500 kcal/day surplus if trying to build muscle, composed of a MINIMUM 1 g protein/lb bodyweight, about 0.5 g fat/lb bodyweight, and then fill in the rest with carbs. So, based on your stats and split that would equate to roughly 3500 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 450g carbs).

For cutting, I would recommend a 500 kcal/day deficit, which would equate to roughly 2500 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 200g carbs).

With all that said, I would strongly recommend you pick either cut or bulk and not try to spin your wheels by doing both at the same...but assuming there is AAS involved...I would suggest setting my macros for recomp. 3000 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 325g carbs).

Wow thank you man, really appreciate it

 

[Docd187123]

First off, nutrient timing isn't all that important as what really matters is long-term consistency. The whole "carbs are bad before bed" is total BS. Focus on hitting your daily macros based on your goals. If anything, make sure you have some carbs before to fuel your training...and then immediately after to maximize the anabolic window. But, don't worry so much about this.

Secondly, I would tell any natty person that building muscle while losing fat isn't all that likely unless you're a fat fucker that just started training. But, AAS gives you the ability to do this quite well if you're using the right compounds.

I would recommend a 500 kcal/day surplus if trying to build muscle, composed of a MINIMUM 1 g protein/lb bodyweight, about 0.5 g fat/lb bodyweight, and then fill in the rest with carbs. So, based on your stats and split that would equate to roughly 3500 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 450g carbs).

For cutting, I would recommend a 500 kcal/day deficit, which would equate to roughly 2500 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 200g carbs).

With all that said, I would strongly recommend you pick either cut or bulk and not try to spin your wheels by doing both at the same...but assuming there is AAS involved...I would suggest setting my macros for recomp. 3000 kcals/day (200g protein, 100g fat, 325g carbs).

Very nicely written

 

[jJjburton]

I eat anything. sort of. Not junk food. such as chips or candy. So I eat most simple carbs preworkout and post to get as much energy as possible.

 

[anfee]

OP. Don’t over think this. Work on hitting the macros for either a cut or bulk. But stick to one. Adjust after 4-6 weeks. Too much fat? Then adjust carbs or fats. But adjust only one at a time. It’s no race. No one does a dramatic transformation in 8 weeks unless you’re really fat or just starting out.

Consistency. It’s key to all of this.

 

[Apexvallen]

Nutrient timing is a crock of shit that was invented by the supplements/nutrition industry to create a new big wave of idiots. You want carbs post workout to replace glycogen stores (doesn't necessarily increase the amount of muscle you build, just makes you feel better for the rest of the day), other than that, there is no such thing as optimal nutrient timing.

 

[Xlgx]

Nutrient timing is a crock of shit that was invented by the supplements/nutrition industry to create a new big wave of idiots. You want carbs post workout to replace glycogen stores (doesn't necessarily increase the amount of muscle you build, just makes you feel better for the rest of the day), other than that, there is no such thing as optimal nutrient timing.

Thx for your opinion ...

 

[Docd187123]

Thx for your opinion ...

That just so happens to be supported by the majority of the objective data makin it a little stronger than a regular opinion.

 

[Viper92]

That just so happens to be supported by the majority of the objective data makin it a little stronger than a regular opinion.

Problem is, lots of people actually don't read objective data / research...

 

[Docd187123]

Problem is, lots of people actually don't read objective data / research...

Which is to their own detriment but also to the detriment of the community when they push brotological beliefs.

 

[NewTEX]

2 double meat cheese burgers from Culvers,,order of cheese curds. And a cookie dough concrete mixer,,that's bulkin.hahahaha

 

[Apexvallen]

But are you eating at 6:15, or 6:25, thats the issue...

 

[Xlgx]

That just so happens to be supported by the majority of the objective data makin it a little stronger than a regular opinion.

From my personal experience for body composition and gym performance definitely. Others mileage may vary...

 

[Docd187123]

From my personal experience for body composition and gym performance definitely. Others mileage may vary...

This is an indirect attribute and one that cannot be generalized to everyone

 

[Xlgx]

This is an indirect attribute and one that cannot be generalized to everyone

You pretty much summarized the entire training and nutrition industry ...

 

[Docd187123]

You pretty much summarized the entire training and nutrition industry ...

Not quite lol

 

[Dw725]

but let's just say things aren't always what people want you to believe.

This.

Lotta guys getting caught up in the social media posts of plain chicken and broccoli. It looks "hardcore" for the followers.

I like the old pics of lee priest knocking back that fuckin bucket of kfc. That was real shit.

Nobody has to take it to quite that level of calorie surplus and get sloppy, but good luck knocking back 4500-5000 cals of "clean food". I hate that term.