black tops #32

[vertigo]

Hi there.
Anyone currently on this? I'm new to HGH, however have been on for 6 weeks so far, no sides, no difference, nothing, nada. 4iu/day split morning/night.
Got from TP. Didn't do base bloodwork, stupid. Probably have to do serum now anyway.
Any input appreciated, thank you.

 

[Thaistick]

Hi there.
Anyone currently on this? I'm new to HGH, however have been on for 6 weeks so far, no sides, no difference, nothing, nada. 4iu/day split morning/night.
Got from TP. Didn't do base bloodwork, stupid. Probably have to do serum now anyway.
Any input appreciated, thank you.

You may be a non-responder. A guy I know that had a serum score of 35 on greytops gets nothing from them.

 

[MFMC]

Sides are no always an indicator of purity--- I run Seros--no sides-- takes 8 -12 weeks berore I really feel it and my revent IGF came in at 485.... I only trust blood work--nothing else-

 

[stone988]

Took me 3 months to start to feel any sides more then once at 3-5 ius. How are you sleeping?

 

[mands]

Hi there.
Anyone currently on this? I'm new to HGH, however have been on for 6 weeks so far, no sides, no difference, nothing, nada. 4iu/day split morning/night.
Got from TP. Didn't do base bloodwork, stupid. Probably have to do serum now anyway.
Any input appreciated, thank you.

Get your IGF-1 levels checked. As others indicated sides aren't really a good way to determine if GH is legit or not.

mands

 

[fodsod]

Get your IGF-1 levels checked. As others indicated sides aren't really a good way to determine if GH is legit or not.

mands

This 100%. Baseline is irrelevant at this point as you just need to see if your IGF has gone up beyond normal levels in order to verify a legit product. Go get blood work done and you'll know this week if your stuff is good.

 

[ViktorHD]

I need to do bloodwork me too.
The aim is to assess the autenticity of hgh and testosterone currently im doing.
So I'll test:

testosterone, free and total.
E2
tsh

Regarding hgh:
Serum gh
Serum igf1

blood taken at 0800am, prior to this at 5.00am a single dose of 10iu hgh subq.

Are these the right things to do?
thankyou

 

[DragoT]

If Sub-q, I’d suggest taking the shot 4am i.e. four hours before the blood been drawn.

 

[mands]

I need to do bloodwork me too.
The aim is to assess the autenticity of hgh and testosterone currently im doing.
So I'll test:

testosterone, free and total.
E2
tsh

Regarding hgh:
Serum gh
Serum igf1

blood taken at 0800am, prior to this at 5.00am a single dose of 10iu hgh subq.

Are these the right things to do?
thankyou

No need to spend extra money on the GH serum test it's irrelevant at this point as you have been running it or a while now correct? Just get your IGF-1 levels checked and save some cash. No need to shoot 10 iu's if you are getting IGF-1 checked. Just do your regular dosing protocol.

mands

 

[ViktorHD]

No need to spend extra money on the GH serum test it's irrelevant at this point as you have been running it or a while now correct? Just get your IGF-1 levels checked and save some cash. No need to shoot 10 iu's if you are getting IGF-1 checked. Just do your regular dosing protocol.

mands

Thanks Mands.
Unfortunately I have very little time for Meso in the daily routine...
So I've done the test yesterday in the classic manner. I'll post the results as they arrive.

 

[ViktorHD]

No need to spend extra money on the GH serum test it's irrelevant at this point as you have been running it or a while now correct? Just get your IGF-1 levels checked and save some cash. No need to shoot 10 iu's if you are getting IGF-1 checked. Just do your regular dosing protocol.

mands

And finally the results.
After 2 weeks into 2.5IU HGH 2ED (5IU total ED) and a single 10IU shot pre-lab:

IGF1 173 ng/ml (physio range 100-390) , pre HGH 130
GH 30 ng/ml (physio range <10), pre HGH 1.2

BG 78mg/dl lower than pre HGH

What do you think about it?

Thankyou

 

[Roco Bama]

And finally the results.
After 2 weeks into 2.5IU HGH 2ED (5IU total ED) and a single 10IU shot pre-lab:

IGF1 173 ng/ml (physio range 100-390) , pre HGH 130
GH 30 ng/ml (physio range <10), pre HGH 1.2

BG 78mg/dl lower than pre HGH

What do you think about it?

Thankyou

What GH brand are you running and how many hours did you wait after the 10iu shot to do GH serum blood ?

 

[ripgh15]

And finally the results.
After 2 weeks into 2.5IU HGH 2ED (5IU total ED) and a single 10IU shot pre-lab:

IGF1 173 ng/ml (physio range 100-390) , pre HGH 130
GH 30 ng/ml (physio range <10), pre HGH 1.2

BG 78mg/dl lower than pre HGH

What do you think about it?

Thankyou

only 173 igf on 5iu ED? wtf? should be higher atleast 400. These are black tops you are on? regardless of how much you took before the test it should have been higher igf level.

The only thing i can think of is that you need more time for igf build up. Other than that, it’s a little odd its so low

 

[Dr JIM]

You may be a non-responder. A guy I know that had a serum score of 35 on greytops gets nothing from them.

A “nonresponder” what it that and how is it defined.

I ask bc I can’t recall that term being used in Pharma rHGH clinical trials esp at FOUR IUS / DAY?

Which also begs the question what is a
supplemental HGH “serum score” (of 35 wo units) and how is it defined, calculated and/or varified as reliable means of tabulating HGH efficacy?

The point is while some folk have less than the desired or expected therapeutic response to a number of drugs, I’d would be very cautious about applying what is often deemed an idiosyncratic “nonresponsive” reaction to any compound that has not met Pharma standards, as doing so circumvents what is often the problem with many UGL products, consistent QUALITY CONTROL.

Jim

 

[ViktorHD]

And finally the results.
After 2 weeks into 2.5IU HGH 2ED (5IU total ED) and a single 10IU shot:

IGF1 173 ng/ml (physio range 100-390) , pre HGH 130
GH 30 ng/ml (physio range <10), pre HGH 1.2

BG 78mg/dl lower than pre HGH

What do you think about it?

Thankyou

What GH brand are you running and how many hours did you wait after the 10iu shot to do GH serum blood ?

Grey Top, 10IU shot at 4:45AM, lab at 08.15AM

10days @ 5IIU ED + 5days @ 4IU ED before lab.

 

[Roco Bama]

Grey Top, 10IU shot at 4:45AM, lab at 08.15AM

10days @ 5IIU ED + 5days @ 4IU ED before lab.

Your HGH seems legit based on the GH serum test. Are you running gear or taking any meds currently ?

 

[ViktorHD]

Your HGH seems legit based on the GH serum test. Are you running gear or taking any meds currently ?

testosterone e 2g/wk (legit 1250mg)
trenbolone e 800mg/wk
nandrolone d 1000mg/wk
Dianabol 60/80mg/d
Proviron 100mg/d
Humalog pre-post WO
T3 25ug/d
AI not continuously.

These are my labs regarding testo:
TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 128.5 ng/ml (12850ng/Dl ?)
TESTOSTERONE free 70.5 pg/ml
17-BETA-ESTRADIOL 470 pg/ml

Totally confident on testosterone 1250mg/wk, insulin. UGL gear from UK the others.

Thankyou

 

[Roco Bama]

testosterone e 2g/wk (legit 1250mg)
trenbolone e 800mg/wk
nandrolone d 1000mg/wk
Dianabol 60/80mg/d
Proviron 100mg/d
Humalog pre-post WO
T3 25ug/d
AI not continuously.

These are my labs regarding testo:
TESTOSTERONE TOTAL 128.5 ng/ml (12850ng/Dl ?)
TESTOSTERONE free 70.5 pg/ml
17-BETA-ESTRADIOL 470 pg/ml

Totally confident on testosterone 1250mg/wk, insulin. UGL gear from UK the others.

Thankyou

all that compounds you're taking could be suppressing your IGF levels. Other than that your HGH is legit.

 

[Dr JIM]

And finally the results.
After 2 weeks into 2.5IU HGH 2ED (5IU total ED) and a single 10IU shot pre-lab:

IGF1 173 ng/ml (physio range 100-390) , pre HGH 130
GH 30 ng/ml (physio range <10), pre HGH 1.2

BG 78mg/dl lower than pre HGH

What do you think about it?

Thankyou

TWO weeks is to SHORT an interval to determine an individual’s therapeutic response to rHGH, based upon IGF levels.

And as @mands eluded to serum GH levels are WORTHLESS for a number of reasons.

Finally analytical testing is the only way to KNOW the if what’s in the VIAL matches what’s on the LABEL.
Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

testosterone e 2g/wk (legit 1250mg)
trenbolone e 800mg/wk
nandrolone d 1000mg/wk
Dianabol 60/80mg/d
Proviron 100mg/d
Humalog pre-post WO
T3 25ug/d
AI not continuously.

I hope you understand at such high dosages your headed for some real and potentially serious AAS related complications fella.

Good luck