Another cloudy tren thread

[baddaddee]

Excuse my ignorance but what would be the reason cold filtering works but warm doesn't? Is it picking up the tren base?

My thought is when it's warm the tren base or impurities go in solution and it's clear till it cools for a while. At room temp the tren base or impurities fall out of solution and goes cloudy.

 

[Thegreek]

^^^ This
I had some cloudy Tren A sitting around from last run. Over the weekend I filtered it at room temp and it stayed clear. What's a little freaky was there was some residue on the inside of old vials. It had sat for several months.

Excuse my ignorance but what would be the reason cold filtering works but warm doesn't? Is it picking up the tren base?

My thought is when it's warm the tren base or impurities go in solution and it's clear till it cools for a while. At room temp the tren base or impurities fall out of solution and goes cloudy.

The residue on the bottom is tren base since it’s not in solution it’s heavy and falls to the bottom. So when you reheat it goes back in and looks great but then falls out once it cools. So when you filter cool the base is more of a particle then a solution so it’s easier for the filter to remove.

 

[Holidaypay]

@Evom1 did u get it from st because I had the same issue when I used lmc an from what's being said in the st thread that would be a pretty good sighn of them rebranding

 

[Evom1]

No Its from ppl @Holidaypay

 

[baddaddee]

Mine was ppl also. Just made some from st and came out fine.

 

[Iron Vett]

Last year I got some tren a from ppl. I brewed half of it and it brewed up clear but with hormone swirls. I used it as it was. I later attempted to brew the remaining raws and it turned into a cloudy sludge that you couldn’t even see through. I let it sit for several days to see if the solids would settle out. They somewhat settled but the mixture remained cloudy. I threw it out. At the same time I had brewed up a fresh batch of tren a raws and it came out perfect. Everything was identical between the two brews.

 

[Evom1]

Last year I got some tren a from ppl. I brewed half of it and it brewed up clear but with hormone swirls. I used it as it was. I later attempted to brew the remaining raws and it turned into a cloudy sludge that you couldn’t even see through. I let it sit for several days to see if the solids would settle out. They somewhat settled but the mixture remained cloudy. I threw it out. At the same time I had brewed up a fresh batch of tren a raws and it came out perfect. Everything was identical between the two brews.

I think a lot of us ended up with this issue from @purplepandalabs tren a unfortunately.

 

[Thegreek]

Still seems like the cause fits the manufacturer of the raws though because @Holidaypay got his from someone else and had the same issue.

 

[Holidaypay]

Yeh mine was from Lmc an it happend multiple times an I tried diff carriers ,ba, bb because I thought I had moisture in one of them somehow but it didn't change I ended up refiltering it couple times an warming before injection didn't have any problems but deff had tren cough kinda just said fuck it an used it for what it was worth didn't wana trash it

 

[Thegreek]

I don’t know definitely but I think worst case pinning the cloudy gear would be tren cough. assuming that what I’ve said about the manufacturing process is true. I know when I made frog juice that tren base cough was no fucking joke. Literally 30 seconds of thinking it was all over.

 

[Monstar]

Still seems like the cause fits the manufacturer of the raws though because @Holidaypay got his from someone else and had the same issue.

We've seen the same for ppl and lmc so this makes sense - not vendor but manufacturer. Tren doesn't brew like this ordinarily. Several people had beakers ruined with it turning to sludge and plenty of cloudy issues. This is with day 0 brewed on arrival. Not normal tren brewing outcomes. Shit just isn't that hard.

 

[purplepandalabs]

I think a lot of us ended up with this issue from @purplepandalabs tren a unfortunately.

TheGreek is correct with what he said. I’ve talked to the chemists at the factory trying to figure out this situation. They told me that during the manufacturing process of making trenbolone Acetate that if every single detail is not 100% perfect, temperature wise, stirring speed, reaction time while it’s inside the chemical reactor that it can lead to not every molecule of trenbolone base attaching an Acetate ester on the end of the molecule. Even as much as a 1-2°C variation can lead to this issue. And when you have a 3000 liter reaction tank you are manufacturing the batch of tren ace in, getting that precise of temperatures can be difficult factoring outside temperatures(because there’s no AC in the factories). Only so much a tank heater or chiller can accomplish in terms of instantly cooling or heating a tank when you’re dealing with thousands of liters of a mixture. Even with the automated cooling or heating systems it can still take a while to heat or cool that much mixture. And sometimes heaters and chillers can lead to hot spots or cold spots in the tank at the entry and exit points of the cooling or heating liquid that flows through the jacket that wraps around the tank(imagine attached for reference). Therefore rarely a reaction is 100% perfect in terms of all the factors needed to make a perfect reaction. The yield while making trenbolone Acetate isn’t very high to begin with(hence the increased price of trenbolone compared to other compounds like testosterone). Basically what I’m saying is all trenbolone Acetate(no matter the supplier) will have trace amounts of trenbolone base still left over in the raws. The more perfect all of the factors of the reaction are the less there will be. The reason why trenbolone Enanthate doesn’t have an issue with this problem is that it is easier for the Enanthate ester to attach to the trenbolone base molecule. After speaking to the chemists about the issue I did an experiment and decided to brew 5 different batches of tren Ace with various amounts of Tren E in each batch. I’ve come to find out that adding .5g of trenbolone Enanthate per 100ml of tren Ace made cures this issue. If I brew one liter(1000ml) of tren Ace a max of 2.5g of trenbolone Enanthate is needed to fix this issue(adds a negligible amount of Tren E per ML). Since I started doing this I’ve never had one batch of cloudy trenbolone Acetate.

 

[Monstar]

TheGreek is correct with what he said. I’ve talked to the chemists at the factory trying to figure out this situation. They told me that during the manufacturing process of making trenbolone Acetate that if every single detail is not 100% perfect, temperature wise, stirring speed, reaction time while it’s inside the chemical reactor that it can lead to not every molecule of trenbolone base attaching an Acetate ester on the end of the molecule. Even as much as a 1-2°C variation can lead to this issue. And when you have a 3000 liter reaction tank you are manufacturing the batch of tren ace in, getting that precise of temperatures can be difficult factoring outside temperatures(because there’s no AC in the factories). Only so much a tank heater or chiller can accomplish in terms of instantly cooling or heating a tank when you’re dealing with thousands of liters of a mixture. Even with the automated cooling or heating systems it can still take a while to heat or cool that much mixture. And sometimes heaters and chillers can lead to hot spots or cold spots in the tank at the entry and exit points of the cooling or heating liquid that flows through the jacket that wraps around the tank(imagine attached for reference). Therefore rarely a reaction is 100% perfect in terms of all the factors needed to make a perfect reaction. The yield while making trenbolone Acetate isn’t very high to begin with(hence the increased price of trenbolone compared to other compounds like testosterone). Basically what I’m saying is all trenbolone Acetate(no matter the supplier) will have trace amounts of trenbolone base still left over in the raws. The more perfect all of the factors of the reaction are the less there will be. The reason why trenbolone Enanthate doesn’t have an issue with this problem is that it is easier for the Enanthate ester to attach to the trenbolone base molecule. After speaking to the chemists about the issue I did an experiment and decided to brew 5 different batches of tren Ace with various amounts of Tren E in each batch. I’ve come to find out that adding .5g of trenbolone Enanthate per 100ml of tren Ace made cures this issue. If I brew one liter(1000ml) of tren Ace a max of 2.5g of trenbolone Enanthate is needed to fix this issue(adds a negligible amount of Tren E per ML). Since I started doing this I’ve never had one batch of cloudy trenbolone Acetate.

For what it's worth I think proactively coming into this thread, explaining the issue, science, the work you yourself have done on it and a viable solution is a classy thing to do. Plenty of people moving volume would just ignore it and not give a shit so you deserve credit for that.

BTW do you have a ratio for the BA/BB/carrier in that mix too assuming 100mg/ml of Tren A? People probably want to make sure everything will hold.

 

[purplepandalabs]

For what it's worth I think proactively coming into this thread, explaining the issue, science, the work you yourself have done on it and a viable solution is a classy thing to do. Plenty of people moving volume would just ignore it and not give a shit so you deserve credit for that.

BTW do you have a ratio for the BA/BB/carrier in that mix too assuming 100mg/ml of Tren A? People probably want to make sure everything will hold.

Tren A:
2%ba
22%bb
Rest carrier oil

 

[Thegreek]

Hopefully you can all understand that I didn’t say who gave me the information not because it was panda but that I wouldn’t put anyone’s name regardless of who they are out there without their permission. I let him know that I wasn’t the only one with the issue and that I wanted to help @Evom1 and he was cool with that and he came on here himself to verify.

 

[TheH0517]

Mine came out less cloudy when I added HEATED carrier to HEATED bb/ba/raws. But they were different batches from PPL, so it still could have been manufacturing differences per batch as was mentioned.

 

[Thegreek]

@ickyrica @Evom1 ok so a little back story. I dumped about 25 grams of brewed tren a. First batch I made a thread and thought it was something I did. I’m not a professional brewer but I feel I had enough under my belt to know that this wasn’t my fault but didn’t have an answer so chaulked it up to my fault. Brewed another batch and the same thing. Wound up dumping that except for a few vials to keep for experimenting. I ended up giving it to a guy at the gym because he said he’s heard of cloudy tren and was ok with it. I personally didn’t feel comfortable with it and said fuck it here you go and gave him the couple of vials I had. He would warm it and pin it. Ran a solid run with it. Good for him. Bad for me. So he had two vials left and I was able to get one back from him to play with. Here are the results. From my point of view my screen is dirty so to me in the pictures it appears to still have a cloudy look but I can assure you that it’s super clear in person. The vial was filled to 10ml so I added 1ml of finished Tren E. Not the exact ratio that panda mentioned but still proves the point that it can be fixed.
The first two are before the tren E and the second two are 24 hours or so after reheating and getting it back into solution. I even had it in the fridge for about 30 minutes to cool it after heating. The brown thing is a steak knife handle. The first pic you can barely see it behind the vial. The second pic you can see it looks like the handle actually passes through the vial. You can see the grains on the handle. Im confident that the Tren E addition to cloudy tren a will clear it up exactly the way panda said.

 

[Holidaypay]

It seems like they cloudy tren issue is finally solved holy shit no more nectar of the gods down the drain I wonder how much ace has Ben thrown away because of this thank you @Thegreek for going out of your way to figure this out an sharing the info I gt around 100ml I of semi cloudy stuff I'm going to add some e to when I get the chance an I was wondering why would
Filtering the tren again lower the strength if the raws aren't crashed then wouldn't it just lower the overall ml an not just the strength

 

[TideGear]

View attachment 105647 View attachment 105648 View attachment 105649 View attachment 105650 @ickyrica @Evom1 ok so a little back story. I dumped about 25 grams of brewed tren a. First batch I made a thread and thought it was something I did. I’m not a professional brewer but I feel I had enough under my belt to know that this wasn’t my fault but didn’t have an answer so chaulked it up to my fault. Brewed another batch and the same thing. Wound up dumping that except for a few vials to keep for experimenting. I ended up giving it to a guy at the gym because he said he’s heard of cloudy tren and was ok with it. I personally didn’t feel comfortable with it and said fuck it here you go and gave him the couple of vials I had. He would warm it and pin it. Ran a solid run with it. Good for him. Bad for me. So he had two vials left and I was able to get one back from him to play with. Here are the results. From my point of view my screen is dirty so to me in the pictures it appears to still have a cloudy look but I can assure you that it’s super clear in person. The vial was filled to 10ml so I added 1ml of finished Tren E. Not the exact ratio that panda mentioned but still proves the point that it can be fixed.
The first two are before the tren E and the second two are 24 hours or so after reheating and getting it back into solution. I even had it in the fridge for about 30 minutes to cool it after heating. The brown thing is a steak knife handle. The first pic you can barely see it behind the vial. The second pic you can see it looks like the handle actually passes through the vial. You can see the grains on the handle. Im confident that the Tren E addition to cloudy tren a will clear it up exactly the way panda said.

Thanks for taking the time to share. This is good to know

 

[Thegreek]

It seems like they cloudy tren issue is finally solved holy shit no more nectar of the gods down the drain I wonder how much ace has Ben thrown away because of this thank you @Thegreek for going out of your way to figure this out an sharing the info I gt around 100ml I of semi cloudy stuff I'm going to add some e to when I get the chance an I was wondering why would
Filtering the tren again lower the strength if the raws aren't crashed then wouldn't it just lower the overall ml an not just the strength

Is it Tren E raws or finished.