Pharm vs Ugl opinion

[Savagesteve]

Where did you see this? Show me 6 examples.

I can only come up with 3.5.

 

[master.on]

Big Pharma is always preferable.

The problems are:
1 Cost
2 Availability. Not all steroids and esters are available, even in countries where gear is legal.
3 Low concentration. i.e. in Mexico you can buy big pharma Deca Durabolin but it only comes in 50 mg/ml amps.
4 Some gear is only available in veterinary grade is they were never marketed to humans. i.e. EQ, Tren.
5 Some generic pharma made in third world countries can be just as bad as UGL.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Big Pharma is always preferable.

The problems are:
1 Cost
2 Availability. Not all steroids and esters are available, even in countries where gear is legal.
3 Low concentration. i.e. in Mexico you can buy big pharma Deca Durabolin but it only comes in 50 mg/ml amps.
4 Some gear is only available in veterinary grade is they were never marketed to humans. i.e. EQ, Tren.
5 Some generic pharma made in third world countries can be just as bad as UGL.

6 Phama gear brings the concern of fakes and replicas, that in some cases, are a perfect match. Without testing there would be no way to discern one from the other.

 

[TRT@40]

I believe 200mg is 200mg. However a lot of UGL raws test with having heavy metals. You would think pharma wouldn’t but who knows.

I stick with ugl for price and I try to always use someone who is consistent with their testing.

Hey brah, do you have any data to back this up?
Heavy metals in raws therefore finished products is one of my concerns as well since I am on RX TRT and blast and cruise that will continue as long as my body allows. Thinking long-term usage and consequences, responsible person would want to limit heavy metal intake through PEDs and other means. I posted a similar question in HilmaBioCare thread and our friend @Den84 chimed in to say that based on testing of UGL gear, heavy metals were below the safety thresholds.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Hey brah, do you have any data to back this up?
Heavy metals in raws therefore finished products is one of my concerns as well since I am on RX TRT and blast and cruise that will continue as long as my body allows. Thinking long-term usage and consequences, responsible person would want to limit heavy metal intake through PEDs and other means. I posted a similar question in HilmaBioCare thread and our friend @Den84 chimed in to say that based on testing of UGL gear, heavy metals were below the safety thresholds.

If you look through all the submissions on the Anabolic Labs website, i don't recall a single sample ever being flagged for such contamination.

This leads me to believe that most labs that you've heard of, or the more popular labs, don't seem to have an issue.

Just my assumption. It never hurts to dig a little deeper.

 

[TRT@40]

If you look through all the submissions on the Anabolic Labs website, i don't recall a single sample ever being flagged for such contamination.

This leads me to believe that most labs that you've heard of, or the more popular labs, don't seem to have an issue.

Just my assumption. It never hurts to dig a little deeper.

You are right that lab results dont call out heavy metals as one of the items present in the sample. But I am under the assumption that most labs testing the gear test for the AAS compounds and micro-organisms only AND not heavy metals. Lets see what our test specialists have to say about this.

@janoshik and @Weights & Measures , when a sample is sent to you for testing, do you also test for any heavy metal that might be present, along with AAS compound and micro-organisms?

 

[Thaistick]

If you look through all the submissions on the Anabolic Labs website, i don't recall a single sample ever being flagged for such contamination.

This leads me to believe that most labs that you've heard of, or the more popular labs, don't seem to have an issue.

Just my assumption. It never hurts to dig a little deeper.

I haven't seen it on anaboliclab but a friend of mine that is a major source had a whole load of raws come in with heavy metals when he tried a new raws supplier. Fortunately he is one of the best around and tests every batch. He's had quite a few come up short on purity and compound type as well. But he has handled more gear than I'll ever see.

 

[janoshik]

You are right that lab results dont call out heavy metals as one of the items present in the sample. But I am under the assumption that most labs testing the gear test for the AAS compounds and micro-organisms only AND not heavy metals. Lets see what our test specialists have to say about this.

@janoshik and @Weights & Measures , when a sample is sent to you for testing, do you also test for any heavy metal that might be present, along with AAS compound and micro-organisms?

Only when explicitly requested, it's an extra service.

 

[janoshik]

6 Phama gear brings the concern of fakes and replicas, that in some cases, are a perfect match. Without testing there would be no way to discern one from the other.

In my experience it's more likely you'll get a good product with UGL than with 'pharma.'

But that's just the samples I have tested, so there is an obvious bias.

 

[TRT@40]

Only when explicitly requested, it's an extra service.

Thanks Janoshik. How much extra do you charge if testing for heavy metals is requested?

So, we can't look at previous lab test results to conclude that no heavy metals are present just because they are not listed in the report, unless we know testing of heavy metals was requested in which case the test report would likely spell out something to the effect of "no heavy metal found."

 

[Xragexx]

Hey brah, do you have any data to back this up?
Heavy metals in raws therefore finished products is one of my concerns as well since I am on RX TRT and blast and cruise that will continue as long as my body allows. Thinking long-term usage and consequences, responsible person would want to limit heavy metal intake through PEDs and other means. I posted a similar question in HilmaBioCare thread and our friend @Den84 chimed in to say that based on testing of UGL gear, heavy metals were below the safety thresholds.

I don’t but with searching you can find it. I saw two tests somewhere on here a while back a member posted, not a source. I do remember it being said that it seemed to be mostly with chinese raws. I’m by no means an expert on this just stating what I’ve seen in the past in regards to OP’s post. It didn’t turn me away from UGL gear tho lol.

 

[Xragexx]

Where did you see this? Show me 6 examples.

I said “a lot” and should have chosen different wording. I saw two tests in the past, and I’m pretty sure it was on here. I have no idea the validity of the testing.

Edit: tv doesn’t lie and I watched a Netflix documentary a couple weeks ago. It claimed nearly every household item from Chinese manufacturers contained heavy metals and other unwanted chemicals. I freaked out and started a process called chelation.

 

[janoshik]

Thanks Janoshik. How much extra do you charge if testing for heavy metals is requested?

So, we can't look at previous lab test results to conclude that no heavy metals are present just because they are not listed in the report, unless we know testing of heavy metals was requested in which case the test report would likely spell out something to the effect of "no heavy metal found."

It's 80 euro per heavy metal analysis (lead, cadmium, mercury, arsenic).

I'm using a 3rd party lab for it at pretty much no profit right now. Only started to offer the service again very recently after requests.

 

[Den84]

Hey brah, do you have any data to back this up?
Heavy metals in raws therefore finished products is one of my concerns as well since I am on RX TRT and blast and cruise that will continue as long as my body allows. Thinking long-term usage and consequences, responsible person would want to limit heavy metal intake through PEDs and other means. I posted a similar question in HilmaBioCare thread and our friend @Den84 chimed in to say that based on testing of UGL gear, heavy metals were below the safety thresholds.

does not one of you remember, when anaboliclab, took care of the heavy metal tests? 10 or 12 samples were analyzed, and none of these contained heavy metals above the safety thresholds. The percentages were so low in all the samples, so anaboliclab suspended this type of test. useless to waste the funds on this type of test, if the worst ugl were without heavy metals.

the main problem of ugl, can be, excessive solvent, underdosage / overdose. but to avoid these problems it is sufficient to orient oneself on the most popular brands that are also reviewed in this forum. in addition, we live in a lucky period, there are some options where you can analyze products at affordable prices. 10/15 years ago this was not possible, and the top brands were very few. so in the past, it was certainly better to use pharma grades. But currently, I can not find a single valid reason to prefer the pharmaceutical grade to the ugl.



However my advice is:
when you have found 2/3 top brands, do not change to go find the lowest price. continue to use them, and submit them to periodic laboratory tests, to check that the quality and dosages remain constant from year to year.

 

[Skorecese]

I love pharma you always know what you get a uglnis only as good as its last batch but pharma prices can be hefty and it’s also limited with what you can get

 

[Wayback14]

I believe 200mg is 200mg. However a lot of UGL raws test with having heavy metals. You would think pharma wouldn’t but who knows.

I stick with ugl for price and I try to always use someone who is consistent with their testing.

This is 100% true. I made gear for years and raws from China contain a lot of heavy metals in them. I’d use a digital hot plate with an automatic stirrer. I would place a stirrer inside the beaker which was a magnet coated in plastic. Once the hormone was suspended that magnet would be covered in black shit that was magnetic (heavy metals).

The magnet helped to rid the hormone batch of heavy metas. But this is why it’s always important to filter the batch when you’re done.

 

[Wayback14]

Pharma is a great option but does anyone remember when Matt Porter tested a few pharmaceutical brands of testosterone and they came back under dosed?

 

[janoshik]

This is 100% true. I made gear for years and raws from China contain a lot of heavy metals in them. I’d use a digital hot plate with an automatic stirrer. I would place a stirrer inside the beaker which was a magnet coated in plastic. Once the hormone was suspended that magnet would be covered in black shit that was magnetic (heavy metals).

The magnet helped to rid the hormone batch of heavy metas. But this is why it’s always important to filter the batch when you’re done.

Cool story, bro.

 

[Den84]

This is 100% true. I made gear for years and raws from China contain a lot of heavy metals in them. I’d use a digital hot plate with an automatic stirrer. I would place a stirrer inside the beaker which was a magnet coated in plastic. Once the hormone was suspended that magnet would be covered in black shit that was magnetic (heavy metals).

The magnet helped to rid the hormone batch of heavy metas. But this is why it’s always important to filter the batch when you’re done.

maybe you do not know that most of the raw materials that pharmaceutical companies use, they also come from China.

 

[Iron Vett]

Pharma is a great option but does anyone remember when Matt Porter tested a few pharmaceutical brands of testosterone and they came back under dosed?

My hot plate has a white Teflon coated magnetic stir bar and I have never seen a coating on it. Plus I could not even begin to know what heavy metals are even magnetic