Testosterone Enanthate PIP and Inflammation problems.

[vitamin_S]

Ok so I used the recipe:
1) Test enan
2) 2% BA
3) 18% BB
4) GSO
at 250 mg/ml
VERY SORE
I also tried:

1) Test Enan
2) 1% BA
3) 10 % BB
4) GSO
It was the same soreness, but less painful.

Used it with a .22 filter to a sterile vial. I MAKE SURE everything is sterile. I used a hair net, lab coat . everything was clean. Made sure it went at 125 F for sterilization and then let it cool and filtered it through the vial

I seem to be having problems on PIP and soreness. after I pin 250 mg at a milliliter, a day or two later, my quad gets sore every time. been doing this for 3 weeks now and I can't do this anymore lol
maybe it does not need the BB? since Enanthate is already a long ester, bb would make it worse. I'm no expert. I want to get help from ya'll.
Please no keyboarding warrior stuff, like from my last thread!
Thanks

 

[vitamin_S]

Its only soreness that results in PIP and I can barely walk sometimes. It's not serious like an abscess or anything. I highly doubt it's an allergic reaction, otherwise I would be weezing and having an allergic attack. The worse it got was that it protruded. Not an inflammation, not an allergic reaction, its just protruding like my quad would get big and sore like I have to sleep on my left side where I didn't inject.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Cute that you added the keyboard warrior disclaimer. Oh my friend, you have much to learn. If only it worked like that.

Let me preface with, i am not a brewer. Just a member that has had his fair share of Test E ups and downs.

Test E is a bitch. There's so many theories as to why this happens. It's obviously a raws issue, but what exactly, nobody seems to know.

Short of diluting the fuck out of it in a last ditch effort or cutting each injection with another compound that you're sure is smooth (and even that doesn't always work) you're kind of stuck between the rock and the hard place of grin and bear it or toss that shit in the rubbish bin.

Unless i have absolutely no choice, i will never use Test E again and will always opt for Test Cyp.

 

[T-Bagger]

ALWAYS go for Cyp over E. With a slightly longer half life and NO complaints, why anyone would use E over Cyp is beyond me.

 

[Monstar]

For what it's worth, until recently I've never once heard of PIP from test e or test c. No idea what's going on but while test C might be a better bet at this time to avoid PIP, I don't know why test C wouldn't be just as likely as E to see this in the future. Test E is also much more flexible when brewing.

This also comes from someone that's a lifetime test C user (from the 90s) and just started using E last Fall.

 

[Burrr]

I had no idea guys are having issues with test e. And that you like the C version better

 

[MisterSuperGod]

For what it's worth, until recently I've never once heard of PIP from test e or test c. No idea what's going on but while test C might be a better bet at this time to avoid PIP, I don't know why test C wouldn't be just as likely as E to see this in the future. Test E is also much more flexible when brewing.

This also comes from someone that's a lifetime test C user (from the 90s) and just started using E last Fall.

i'm theorizing that it has something to do with it's low melting point. Something is happening when it goes from solid to liquid, then back again. i don't know exactly what, but that seems to be the culprit for turning Test E into a PIP-tastic brew.

God only knows how many times that process occurs before it gets into the end users hands. Test Cyp has a much higher melting point, so this repeated process doesn't occur with it.

There's a good experiment for someone. Melt down Test Cyp, then allow it to solidify, then brew it to see if it has PIP, when brewed with a recipe that should have none.

 

[Holidaypay]

I'm switching to cyp also to many variables with e an the only benefit to e is getting it to hold at 350 but anyone that has used it like that consistanly will tell u its not so fun just take a extra ml lol I just finished off a 250 ml batch of a 350 e an 100 p blend an I'm tired of being sore lol

 

[master.on]

Test E should hold at 250 mg/ml with no BB whatsoever.
Try without BB as it can hydrolyze (decompose) to benzyl alcohol and benzoic acid, and compare that to a plain oil control injection.

 

[Monstar]

i'm theorizing that it has something to do with it's low melting point. Something is happening when it goes from solid to liquid, then back again. i don't know exactly what, but that seems to be the culprit for turning Test E into a PIP-tastic brew.

God only knows how many times that process occurs before it gets into the end users hands. Test Cyp has a much higher melting point, so this repeated process doesn't occur with it.

There's a good experiment for someone. Melt down Test Cyp, then allow it to solidify, then brew it to see if it has PIP, when brewed with a recipe that should have none.

It's a reasonable theory. I've brewed melted and resolidified test e without issue but maybe the number of times it happens (kind of like exposure to sunlight) starts to change it over time.

Thinking about it...I don't have any better theories or even an alternative. Caveat - I'm not an expert here.

 

[Roco Bama]

The test e I got from prochem lab and one other lab were painless but that was years ago. I noticed test e causes pip after I started homebrewing. I remember a dude stating it has to do with some type of acid they use during production and that some labs don’t use that acid.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

The test e I got from prochem lab and one other lab were painless but that was years ago. I noticed test e causes pip after I started homebrewing. I remember a dude stating it has to do with some type of acid they use during production and that some labs don’t use that acid.

Carbolic Acid. i believe it was Jano that explained the reasoning for that not being the cause. Search Carbolic Acid here on Meso, the post should pop up.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

If you look here, this old post shows melting points for various AAS. All would require an intentional heat source to melt, with the exception of Test E and Deca.

Not sure how accurate this is, as i haven't cross referenced it with any other sources, but at this point i'm questioning my theory, since we don't see nearly as many PIP reports with Deca as we do with Test E.

Supplement Misc.

 

[Heavy Iron]

Made sure it went at 125 F for sterilization and then let it cool and filtered it through the vial

Can you explain this a bit further?

 

[Praeceptorem]

For what it's worth, until recently I've never once heard of PIP from test e or test c. No idea what's going on but while test C might be a better bet at this time to avoid PIP, I don't know why test C wouldn't be just as likely as E to see this in the future. Test E is also much more flexible when brewing.

This also comes from someone that's a lifetime test C user (from the 90s) and just started using E last Fall.

Test e and c both give me shit pip. Even at 250 mg per ml - been doing it quite a damn while. Usually it’s the injection method or misshap that happens. I’ve had Pharma stuff and home brew. Right now I’m using test c in Mct , and still pip. A bit of redness happens. But my skin is quite sensitive. So take it for what’s it worth I’m running bgs atm.

 

[BigPapa2600]

Test E should hold at 250 mg/ml with no BB whatsoever.
Try without BB as it can hydrolyze (decompose) to benzyl alcohol and benzoic acid, and compare that to a plain oil control injection.

Will this reduce PIP? Have you tried this personally? 0%BB for Test E to reduce PIP?

 

[All Nats McGee]

Will this reduce PIP? Have you tried this personally? 0%BB for Test E to reduce PIP?

That’s the best part about using test e. No solvents necessary. Also try getting the raws in the winter and store them in oil. $76 for 100g if you get fucked raws it’s not like your gonna be set back much.

 

[BigPapa2600]

I understand that Test E holds with no solvents, my question was (In yours or anyone else's experience) does cutting out the BB reduce PIP with Test E? Just looking for ways to minimize it completely for my customers.
The batch of Test E powder I currently have is frustrating to work with. I ended up heating the mixed solution up to 110C for 30 minutes which is supposed to cook the Carbolic acid out of the mix and it helped a little. (there's a whole thread about it here on Meso) I would still like any more ideas anyone has to reduce the PIP for test E. I read on here somewhere someone was claiming that Benzyl Benzoate can "hydrolyze" or "decompose" to Benzyl Alcohol and benzoic Acid.
None of my other compounds have any PIP it's just the Test E...

 

[All Nats McGee]

I understand that Test E holds with no solvents, my question was (In yours or anyone else's experience) does cutting out the BB reduce PIP with Test E? Just looking for ways to minimize it completely for my customers.
The batch of Test E powder I currently have is frustrating to work with. I ended up heating the mixed solution up to 110C for 30 minutes which is supposed to cook the Carbolic acid out of the mix and it helped a little. (there's a whole thread about it here on Meso) I would still like any more ideas anyone has to reduce the PIP for test E. I read on here somewhere someone was claiming that Benzyl Benzoate can "hydrolyze" or "decompose" to Benzyl Alcohol and benzoic Acid.
None of my other compounds have any PIP it's just the Test E...

Yeah using no bb should help lower pip. But adding bb will help thin it out. I use MCT which is already pretty thin.

That theory on heating the test before brewing is the complete opposite for pip ime. Everytime I’ve brewed melted test e I’ve tossed it due to pip. But others claims it works. The test e mystery is still not solved.

 

[BigPapa2600]

I'll have to try brewing a batch of the Test E I have with no BB and see how it goes. I use GSO tho so it's gonna be thicc asf