Long Time Lurker - Here for some advice...

[Got2Go]

Hello MESO brothers, glad to finally be able to conversate with you guys. I've been reading the forums since my first cycle about a year ago and have picked up a lot of knowledge since.

I'm 25 years old, 5 foot 10 and currently 180lbs. Been training since I was 15. Had a few years during college where I partied more than I lifted but for the past 2 years I've been on a consistent routine and never felt better.

My first cycle was Cyp + Anavar (500mg a week / 50mg daily) around 10 months ago, ran this for 3 months (12 weeks) and it was as amazing as your first cycle would be, everything went smoothly and I must have packed on about 25lbs, around 10lbs being lean muscle. PCT I ran Nolva and Clomid. It was a huge shock to me just how much progress and mass you gain when on PED's, having trained natural all my life I suddenly felt like a superhuman!

This summer I'm looking to run my second cycle and I'm just hoping some of you guys could share what your second cycle was and if there are any particular compounds in general that you would recommend.

My goals are for a hard, shredded physique with some good depth and fullness to my muscles. So far Masteron and Equipoise have caught my eye and I was thinking I could stack it with some Clen or T3

 

[Mac11wildcat]

This would be your second cycle?

 

[bambam333]

Welcome. That’s your man right there^^^

 

[Demondosage]

First 2 weeks frontload 800mg/wk equipoise , then go 600mg /wk the next 10 weeks.

1cc a week of test e or cyp throughout

Diet like hell, final 4 weeks hit 50mg/day winny. Cycle complete and u didn't break the bank

 

[Mac11wildcat]

You’re adding compounds way too fast man. Just my opinion. You don’t need 5 different drugs for your second cycle, and DEFINITELY not clen and t3 so soon. Dial it back...this is a marathon not a sprint.

 

[Got2Go]

This would be your second cycle?

Yes it would, I've been off cycle for 7 months now. I've spent those 7 months researching as much as I can, but I want to hear what other experienced members here would suggest.

First 2 weeks frontload 800mg/wk equipoise , then go 600mg /wk the next 10 weeks.

1cc a week of test e or cyp throughout

Diet like hell, final 4 weeks hit 50mg/day winny. Cycle complete and u didn't break the bank

Any reason why EQ over Mast?

That does sound like an effective routine though, like the idea of Winny for the last 4 weeks. Can winny be stacked with Clen?

 

[Got2Go]

You’re adding compounds way too fast man. Just my opinion. You don’t need 5 different drugs for your second cycle, and DEFINITELY not clen and t3 so soon. Dial it back...this is a marathon not a sprint.

Yeah this was my fear, it's partly why I came here to ask for advice. It feels very tempting to get caught up in the amount of gear that is out there and try it all.

I'm definitely not looking to run 5 compounds. Only 2 injectables and maybe 1 oral.

 

[bambam333]

It can but once you start adding in so much or high dosages the feel good from being on goes to feeling like shit being on real fast then diet and training starts to get effected then it’s all worthless. That’s imo

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Pick one. Your first cycle would be fine for a second cycle too. That, or just do test and EQ.

 

[LeoTC]

Put it in her butt.

 

[Got2Go]

It can but once you start adding in so much or high dosages the feel good from being on goes to feeling like shit being on real fast then diet and training starts to get effected then it’s all worthless. That’s imo

That's a good point haha, I felt really good on my last cycle so I don't want that to change at all.

Pick one. Your first cycle would be fine for a second cycle too. That, or just do test and EQ.

Do you think I'd make similar gains on my second cycle to my first if I run the same compound?

I'm definitely leaning more towards EQ if I choose to stack anything with the Test. Then maybe throw in Winstrol for the last 4 weeks as @Demondosage suggested.

Put it in her butt.

Thanks bro I definitely will

 

[Demondosage]

Yes it would, I've been off cycle for 7 months now. I've spent those 7 months researching as much as I can, but I want to hear what other experienced members here would suggest.



Any reason why EQ over Mast?

That does sound like an effective routine though, like the idea of Winny for the last 4 weeks. Can winny be stacked with Clen?

Yea you can use clen with winny. I never saw a reason to go beyond 100mcg a day of clen though. Most go 2 wks on and 2 off, but I like the idea of 2 days on, 2 days off, and on your off days you do the ACE stack with bronnkaid or primatine. (Bought from Wal-Mart pharmacy desk OTC)

Masteron is decent but if you're not ultra lean there just isn't as much effectiveness to it as there is with EQ. It's also a lot of money as a cycle addition. EQ will produce a vascular and pumped look without aromatization, I think EQ is the ultimate universal compound for almost any cycle

 

[Got2Go]

Yea you can use clen with winny. I never saw a reason to go beyond 100mcg a day of clen though. Most go 2 wks on and 2 off, but I like the idea of 2 days on, 2 days off, and on your off days you do the ACE stack with bronnkaid or primatine. (Bought from Wal-Mart pharmacy desk OTC)

Masteron is decent but if you're not ultra lean there just isn't as much effectiveness to it as there is with EQ. It's also a lot of money as a cycle addition. EQ will produce a vascular and pumped look without aromatization, I think EQ is the ultimate universal compound for almost any cycle

I've used Clen before on it's own, not as part of a cycle about 2 years ago and 80mcg had me shaking

I'm from the UK so not sure what Bronnkaid or Primatene are? Are those useful when running winny/clen?


So far I'm thinking to run;

500mg Test /wk
600mg EQ /wk (with front load)

Last 4 weeks
40-80mcg Clen eod
50mg Winny e/d

Appreciate all the helpful advice guys

 

[bambam333]

They’re both otc asthma meds that have ephedrine some people cycle them in between clen but not at the same time.

 

[Got2Go]

They’re both otc asthma meds that have ephedrine some people cycle them in between clen but not at the same time.

What benefit does an asthma med have when running clen?

 

[bambam333]

I believe they both work on stimulating beta 2 receptors but clen is a lot more powerful and the half life on clen is a day or so while ephedrine is a few hours. I’m not a 100 percent you’ll have to look up to double check the times

To me clen is more effective but the sides ain’t worth it and I actually feel good when I take the ephedrine and caffeine mix

 

[bambam333]

And clen is also an asthma med and so is albuterol. But when asking for ephedrine it’s behind the pharmacist counter you ask for bronkaid or primatene not ephedrine

 

[Demondosage]

I believe they both work on stimulating beta 2 receptors but clen is a lot more powerful and the half life on clen is a day or so while ephedrine is a few hours. I’m not a 100 percent you’ll have to look up to double check the times

To me clen is more effective but the sides ain’t worth it and I actually feel good when I take the ephedrine and caffeine mix

Amen, me too. Clen is just shitty on your heart. Not that any stimulant isn't but clen is another level and most ppl could get the same results if they dieted hard enough and long enough. I use the ephedrine more as an appetite suppressant.

One thing I used to do that worked great was I would take 4-5 bags of green tea and throw them in a 2 quart container of water with ice on it and shake the shit out of it.

My goal was to drink the 2 quarts of green tea mix each day before noon, then at least another 2 quarts of regular water before bed, not counting any water I drank at gym. 50mg a day ephedrine HCL taking 25mg in the a.m. and another 25mg mid afternoon, and a single 81mg aspirin daily.

 

[Got2Go]

Thank you guys for all the help.

I've decided on a Test and EQ cycle potentially adding Winstrol or Clen to it towards the last 4 weeks.

Two final questions...

Is 500mg Test / 600mg EQ a good ratio?

Should I run any on cycle support other than Aromasin / HCG?

 

[mr_meanor]

Thank you guys for all the help.

I've decided on a Test and EQ cycle potentially adding Winstrol or Clen to it towards the last 4 weeks.

Two final questions...

Is 500mg Test / 600mg EQ a good ratio?

Should I run any on cycle support other than Aromasin / HCG?

Over a gram of gear per week is pretty hardcore for a second cycle imo. Like Mac said marathon not a sprint. You are less likely to keep drastic gains, slower gains over years stay much easier