NPP 200 Help

[Gmanzx11]

Any good tried and true recipes? I’m new to brewing, I’ve got the Test C brewing down. Used up the last NPP 200 that had from a used to be source. I jumped right in to trying it at 200. I’ve searched all over for recipes and this is the one I tried:
NPP
200mg /mL - 20ml
NPP powder - 4 Grams
100% EO - 12.6mL
2%BA - 0.4mL
20%BB - 4mL
It crashed hard after about 4 hrs!! Really like to get this high concentration mastered. Less pinning!! Any help is appreciated.

 

[wedorecover]

@XKawN

 

[Iron Vett]

View attachment 123683 Any good tried and true recipes? I’m new to brewing, I’ve got the Test C brewing down. Used up the last NPP 200 that had from a used to be source. I jumped right in to trying it at 200. I’ve searched all over for recipes and this is the one I tried:
NPP
200mg /mL - 20ml
NPP powder - 4 Grams
100% EO - 12.6mL
2%BA - 0.4mL
20%BB - 4mL
It crashed hard after about 4 hrs!! Really like to get this high concentration mastered. Less pinning!! Any help is appreciated.

If you bring your BB up to about 30% it should hold in most conditions. You could also try a small batch with 50/50 EO/Carrier oil to see how it would hold if you want to reduce costs a bit. Good luck

 

[Iron Vett]

View attachment 123683 Any good tried and true recipes? I’m new to brewing, I’ve got the Test C brewing down. Used up the last NPP 200 that had from a used to be source. I jumped right in to trying it at 200. I’ve searched all over for recipes and this is the one I tried:
NPP
200mg /mL - 20ml
NPP powder - 4 Grams
100% EO - 12.6mL
2%BA - 0.4mL
20%BB - 4mL
It crashed hard after about 4 hrs!! Really like to get this high concentration mastered. Less pinning!! Any help is appreciated.

I would probably just reheat those vials and add a cc of BB to them then refilter and see if they hold. The reduction in hormone would be minimal. 182mg rather than 200

 

[Gmanzx11]

I’m on the road right now. When I get a chance I’ll add more bb and see what happens. I would still like a good step by step recipe for 200. Like correct heating, how long to keep it heated and when to add what?? I have searched till my eyes have crossed and came up with a big nothing!! Thanks for your input Iron Vett

 

[Iron Vett]

I’m on the road right now. When I get a chance I’ll add more bb and see what happens. I would still like a good step by step recipe for 200. Like correct heating, how long to keep it heated and when to add what?? I have searched till my eyes have crossed and came up with a big nothing!! Thanks for your input Iron Vett

Except for tren, I heat everything to about 150-160F and keep it there until all crystals are dissolved then turn off the heat and leave it stirring as it cools. When it reaches 125F I filter it

 

[Jstone2]

Have you ever tried miglyol 840 as your carrier oil. I have some tpp/npp blend 50/100 that held with 1%ba, and 15%bb with no problems at all. I kept that blend so the test could be lower than the npp, but i wouldnt think it would take much more solvents to get that extra 50mg/ml to hold.

I have some tpp200, and npp 200 from a source that uses miglyol as his carrier oil. I dont think it has a high amount of BB in it, because i knot up if the concentration of BB is much higher than 20%.

 

[Ultrafast]

If you bring your BB up to about 30% it should hold in most conditions. You could also try a small batch with 50/50 EO/Carrier oil to see how it would hold if you want to reduce costs a bit. Good luck

I tried this exact recipe with 30% BB at only 150 mg/ml and it wrecked me. Worst PIP imaginable. I was stupid enough to try pinning in 4 different areas and left me physically useless.
I started diluting down slowly and only after getting to 100 mg/ml was I able to pin.

 

[TheH0517]

3-5% Guaiacol would probably work with minimal dose reduction

 

[Iron Vett]

I tried this exact recipe with 30% BB at only 150 mg/ml and it wrecked me. Worst PIP imaginable. I was stupid enough to try pinning in 4 different areas and left me physically useless.
I started diluting down slowly and only after getting to 100 mg/ml was I able to pin.

Luckily I am not very sensitive to BB but with that being said, personally I don’t try to brew high concentration gear. My normal npp brew is 100mg/ml.

And yes @TheH0517 I believe around 22 or 23% BB would work with 3% G. I just hate the smell of the stuff and try to stay away from it if possible.

 

[TheH0517]

Luckily I am not very sensitive to BB but with that being said, personally I don’t try to brew high concentration gear. My normal npp brew is 100mg/ml.

And yes @TheH0517 I believe around 22 or 23% BB would work with 3% G. I just hate the smell of the stuff and try to stay away from it if possible.

Ya, I usually set it on the back porch when I add the Guaiacol (in a non-contaminative manner). Shit smells strong and doesn’t go away.

I’ll be brewing NPP at 150mg/mL for the first time in about a week, but I know it’s always worked when I had issues with stubborn brews.

 

[Sworder]

If you guys are new to brewing, please use the standard concentrations for your own benefit.

Most bad homebrew tales start with
"I was trying to make this high concentrate brew..."

 

[Cakedup]

Have you ever tried miglyol 840 as your carrier oil. I have some tpp/npp blend 50/100 that held with 1%ba, and 15%bb with no problems at all. I kept that blend so the test could be lower than the npp, but i wouldnt think it would take much more solvents to get that extra 50mg/ml to hold.

I have some tpp200, and npp 200 from a source that uses miglyol as his carrier oil. I dont think it has a high amount of BB in it, because i knot up if the concentration of BB is much higher than 20%.

Nah brother NPP200 doesn't hold with Mig840...

 

[Gmanzx11]

Ok I heated up and un crashed the 200. Pinned .10ml in thigh to test pip. That was Sunday. It had some bite. Still feel it a little today. Wednesday I added 2ml BB and 10ml of MCT oil. Reheated and sterilized. Should be 150 a ml now right? It hasn’t crashed. I just pinned .5ml in other thigh. hopefully I can walk in the morning!! Thanks for all your input!!

 

[TheH0517]

You refilter by chance?

 

[Jstone2]

Nah brother NPP200 doesn't hold with Mig840...

Why wouldnt it hold in mig? Mig allows everything i have brewed to hold at higher concentrations then normal. Tpp/npp 100/100 has held no problems. The source that has 200mg/ml has a very good reputation, and all he uses is miglyol 840. Not saying he isnt lying, because he very well could be, but i dont see why it wouldnt hold.

 

[Gmanzx11]

You refilter by chance?

I did refilter. I said sterilized, meant filtered.

 

[Gmanzx11]

Zero pip this morning. So let the pinning begin. Thanks again guys.

 

[Villain]

Except for tren, I heat everything to about 150-160F and keep it there until all crystals are dissolved then turn off the heat and leave it stirring as it cools. When it reaches 125F I filter it

What temperature do you keep Tren at?

 

[Iron Vett]

What temperature do you keep Tren at?

I never let tren e or a get above 125F