Easiest Way to Suspend Orals

[Villain]

Interesting that happened to my Turinabol but never to Anavar and you are mixing it at a lower concentration, I make mine to be 20mg/ml in ethanol and glycerine. One thing I noticed on my Turinabol is the big crystalline form of the raw, Anavar being crystalline too would make the raw go to the bottom of the vial but upon mixing it up again would break up and turn into a white looking liquid in the vial. On Turinabol no mixing or heating made it break into anything that may even flow through at all. To me it had to be due to each particle being too big but I never mixed Turinabol again. You are maybe going to make it happen after mortaring your Anavar raw powder into a more micronized one

That was my thought - he didn’t grind it down. @Drewcifer did you grind it into powder or leave it as is?

 

[Drewcifer]

That was my thought - he didn’t grind it down. @Drewcifer did you grind it into powder or leave it as is?

the raws came in just a few weeks ago. i wouldnt imagine they went bad yet. when i opened they looked like little crystals. i put it in with the humco and heated, stired, cooled and added everclear. so i missed a step? and is there anywayt to salvage it at this point (the majority of the drug is in that suspension blob)

 

[GearGodess]

don't mean to hijack the thread but, rather than make a new one may be someone here can help me with an issue I'm having.
Tried to make var, 10mg/ml 30 ml.
used humco, 6ml and 300mg var.
heated pot with water till boil, removed from heat, placed glass beaker in pot with oral susp, and var. mixed then let cool, placed in dropper container and added 190proof alcohol.
my suspension is just floating around in a clump inside the alcohol. when I try to draw any up it just pulls on the clump up as one. ive tried shaking/mixing but no luck. Any idea where i went wrong.

Simply put, you used a suspension vehicle and ruined the ph of it... when using suspension vehicles like ORA or even Humco, you just use that alone and your powder. No cooking, no boiling, nothing. Just suspend your powder in it. Shake well and dose.

 

[Villain]

Simply put, you used a suspension vehicle and ruined the ph of it... when using suspension vehicles like ORA or even Humco, you just use that alone and your powder. No cooking, no boiling, nothing. Just suspend your powder in it. Shake well and dose.

I’ve seen some use grain alcohol to thin it out, but looks like he missed the mortar and pestling part.

 

[GearGodess]

I’ve seen some use grain alcohol to thin it out, but looks like he missed the mortar and pestling part.

Sure to cheap out. I wouldn't simply because it alters the drug suspended and the suspension itself

 

[Villain]

Sure to cheap out. I wouldn't simply because it alters the drug suspended and the suspension itself

What would you use to thin it?

 

[Drewcifer]

Simply put, you used a suspension vehicle and ruined the ph of it... when using suspension vehicles like ORA or even Humco, you just use that alone and your powder. No cooking, no boiling, nothing. Just suspend your powder in it. Shake well and dose.

Ok so for future, just use the humco and raw, no heat just shake and draw. and if im tracking, if i were to just use powder and grain alcohol, it can change the potency/quality of the drug correct

 

[Drewcifer]

would i be able to take that chunk out and mix with just humco or is it too far gone?

 

[Villain]

Ok so for future, just use the humco and raw, no heat just shake and draw. and if im tracking, if i were to just use powder and grain alcohol, it can change the potency/quality of the drug correct

You need to buy a mortar & pestle or at the very least a coffee grinder to make it as fine a powder as possible as the first thing. Then you add it to the Humco and shake the crap out of it. If you have a magnetic stirrer, you can use that to get it as evenly mixed as possible.

 

[Drewcifer]

Thanks thats exactly what im going to do. So i should just throw away what i made? or do the think its in anyway viable

 

[Villain]

Thanks thats exactly what im going to do. So i should just throw away what i made? or do the think its in anyway viable

Someone like @GearGodess will have to answer that. If I had to guess I’d say it’s ruined.

 

[GearGodess]

Someone like @GearGodess will have to answer that. If I had to guess I’d say it’s ruined.

Yup, it's pretty much done. I wouldn't waste time as it's nearly impossible to get the balance back without spending some serious time and a pain in the ass to try and fish then dry, type of a thing. Think creamer curdled in coffee type of a deal. Lol YUCK!

Thanks thats exactly what im going to do. So i should just throw away what i made? or do the think its in anyway viable

Call it a learning curve and make a note to never do that again.

If you can't get your powders already micronized, listen to the suggestion above. Great tool to have!

But if all else fails... just add your powder to humco only and shake well. Enjoy! Simplest and fool proof like a pharma god! Lol

 

[GearGodess]

Tried to make var, 10mg/ml 30 ml.
used humco, 6ml and 300mg var.
heated pot with water till boil, removed from heat, placed glass beaker in pot with oral susp, and var. mixed then let cool, placed in dropper container and added 190proof alcohol.
my suspension is just floating around in a clump inside the alcohol. when I try to draw any up it just pulls on the clump up as one. ive tried shaking/mixing but no luck. Any idea where i went wrong.

Oh and by the way, since I re-read your post... by 300mg var powder, you mean 0.3g, right? 10mg/ml in 30ml

And I never recommend heating ph suspensions for any reason. That's a good way to create glue.

 

[Villain]

Oh and by the way, since I re-read your post... by 300mg var powder, you mean 0.3g, right? 10mg/ml in 30ml

And I never recommend heating ph suspensions for any reason. That's a good way to create glue.

Ok I have to ask and forgive me my ignorance... is a magnetic stir plate going to heat up regardless?

 

[GearGodess]

Ok I have to ask and forgive me my ignorance... is a magnetic stir plate going to heat up regardless?

Considering any heat will destroy/alter the ph levels and take them off balance in oral suspensions, I highly don't recommend it. If wanting to water down with alcohol, use PEG not suspensions on magnetic stir plates or any heat sources with alcohol and forget ORA/Humco

 

[Villain]

Considering any heat will destroy/alter the ph levels and take them off balance in oral suspensions, I highly don't recommend it. If wanting to water down with alcohol, use PEG not suspensions on magnetic stir plates or any heat sources with alcohol and forget ORA/Humco

Very interesting. I have seen/heard of two sources using heat on their liquid orals. One is because he uses corn syrup and snow cone flavoring as his suspension vehicle, so he has to mildly heat it. I presume the other is for that same reason. Thank you, as always for your advice!

 

[Carter79]

don't mean to hijack the thread but, rather than make a new one may be someone here can help me with an issue I'm having.
Tried to make var, 10mg/ml 30 ml.
used humco, 6ml and 300mg var.
heated pot with water till boil, removed from heat, placed glass beaker in pot with oral susp, and var. mixed then let cool, placed in dropper container and added 190proof alcohol.
my suspension is just floating around in a clump inside the alcohol. when I try to draw any up it just pulls on the clump up as one. ive tried shaking/mixing but no luck. Any idea where i went wrong.

No heat when doing orals man! You are making a suspension not a solution its not meant to mix just suspend the orals.

 

[GearGodess]

Very interesting. I have seen/heard of two sources using heat on their liquid orals. One is because he uses corn syrup and snow cone flavoring as his suspension vehicle, so he has to mildly heat it. I presume the other is for that same reason. Thank you, as always for your advice!

You're welcome! Always happy to help.

Using corn syrup is a cheap cheat. You need some heat to work with it plus activates the sugars. Not the greatest option IMO. Just maximizing profits. Plus A LOT of unnecessary sugars added to your AAS routine and.... CORN. Many people don't realize the hidden ingredients in corn syrup and also many develop sensitivities to its main ingredient - corn... it's a cheap filler, binding agent, etc.

 

[Villain]

I thought the same thing and was blown away when I was told corn syrup. Was going to try that route and considered ALL that sugar. From what I understand, it’s not too much different than high fructose corn syrup, which I would never touch.

 

[GearGodess]

I thought the same thing and was blown away when I was told corn syrup. Was going to try that route and considered ALL that sugar. From what I understand, it’s not too much different than high fructose corn syrup, which I would never touch.

Yes absolutely and a very economical way around expensive suspensions given its viscosity. For healthier alternative, might as well use molasses, pricier but along the same lines and still cheaper than ph balanced suspension solution. There are some pharmaceuticals that use the cheap/max profit solutions. They don't think long term effects or our well being from the actual ingredients/fillers in those products.