TT > 1000 to grow muscle?

Theworm

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Interesting study:

Testosterone threshold levels and lean tissue mass targets needed to enhance skeletal muscle strength and function: the HORMA trial
Fred Sattler et al. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 2011 Jan.
Free PMC article
Abstract


Background: In the HORMA (Hormonal Regulators of Muscle and Metabolism in Aging) Trial, supplemental testosterone and recombinant human growth hormone (rhGH) enhanced lean body mass, appendicular skeletal muscle mass, muscle performance, and physical function, but there was substantial interindividual variability in outcomes.

Methods: One hundred and twelve men aged 65-90 years received testosterone gel (5 g/d vs 10 g/d via Leydig cell clamp) and rhGH (0 vs 3 vs 5 μg/kg/d) in a double-masked 2 × 3 factorial design for 16 weeks. Outcomes included lean tissue mass by dual energy x-ray absorptiometry, one-repetition maximum strength, Margaria stair power, and activity questionnaires. We used pathway analysis to determine the relationship between changes in hormone levels, muscle mass, strength, and function.

Results: Increases in total testosterone of 1046 ng/dL (95% confidence interval = 1040-1051) and 898 ng/dL (95% confidence interval = 892-904) were necessary to achieve median increases in lean body mass of 1.5 kg and appendicular skeletal muscle mass of 0.8 kg, respectively, which were required to significantly enhance one-repetition maximum strength (≥ 30%). Co-treatment with rhGH lowered the testosterone levels (quantified using liquid chromatography-tandem mass spectrometry) necessary to reach these lean mass thresholds. Changes in one-repetition maximum strength were associated with increases in stair climbing power (r = .26, p = .01). Pathway analysis supported the model that changes in testosterone and insulin-like growth factor 1 levels are related to changes in lean body mass needed to enhance muscle performance and physical function. Testosterone's effects on physical activity were mediated through a different pathway because testosterone directly affected Physical Activity Score of the Elderly.

Conclusions: To enhance muscle strength and physical function, threshold improvements in lean body mass and appendicular skeletal muscle mass are necessary and these can be achieved by targeting changes in testosterone levels. rhGH augments the effects of testosterone. To maximize functional improvements, the doses of anabolic hormones should be titrated to achieve target blood levels.
 
Men 65 to 90? I didn’t see what country either . I say it’s a another pile of shit study,also 16 weeks of HGh is a fucking joke. Means close to nothing for a younger athlete who is training Why do people go by old lady studies. What a fucking joke !
 
Men 65 to 90? I didn’t see what country either . I say it’s a another pile of shit study,also 16 weeks of HGh is a fucking joke. Means close to nothing for a younger athlete who is training Why do people go by old lady studies. What a fucking joke !

A fucking joke!!!!!!!!!!! Haha

Pretty sure your test levels are at a great muscle building dose
 
A fucking joke!!!!!!!!!!! Haha

Pretty sure your test levels are at a great muscle building dose
Not true. People have gained piles of muscle running zero test and only anabolics . Also people have made tremendous gains running trt test and other steroids. Oh guess what there are no studies only decades of actual practice. But go a head believe old lady studies. Another pile of shit meaningless study
 
Not true. People have gained piles of muscle running zero test and only anabolics . Also people have made tremendous gains running trt test and other steroids. Oh guess what there are no studies only decades of actual practice. But go a head believe old lady studies. Another pile of shit meaningless study

Honestly

I think when it happens, the study beats you in a fight
 
When what happens? You mean when you actually go to the gym and train? Or when you just post out your ass? Another fuck tool that adds zero to any thread but posts about nothing. Why don’t you share your experience with higher test values and HGh. Oh wait you have no clue like a lot of the idiots who look like shit , Dont real train and post on this forum. I’m sure you are a fighter too. Lmao ass clown
 
When what happens? You mean when you actually go to the gym and train? Or when you just post out your ass? Another fuck tool that adds zero to any thread but posts about nothing. Why don’t you share your experience with higher test values and HGh. Oh wait you have no clue like a lot of the idiots who look like shit , Dont real train and post on this forum. I’m sure you are a fighter too. Lmao ass clown

#triggered
 
Honestly, I get it
More test equals more gains

HOWEVER there are guys on this board who are competitive ready... Look 100x better than most guys kn the planet, and STILL make gains from TRT

Tried to tag @Bware , but I'm on a site in the middle of nowhere.

The fact that you are making gains on TRT has literally destroyed my mind lol.

Dedication/Training/Food/Knowledge > Gear
 
Honestly, I get it
More test equals more gains

HOWEVER there are guys on this board who are competitive ready... Look 100x better than most guys kn the planet, and STILL make gains from TRT

Tried to tag @Bware , but I'm on a site in the middle of nowhere.

The fact that you are making gains on TRT has literally destroyed my mind lol.

Dedication/Training/Food/Knowledge > Gear
#triggered
Typical coward. I called you out bitch. Of course you punked out. Funny how many worms never post pictures and talk shit. We all know you are a fat nerdy kid with a vagina
 
Not an ideal study but still pretty interesting. I never saw evidence that a TT value had to be near or above a certain threshold to grow muscle. Makes sense for me cause at age 29 my TT was 388 and trained my ass off and ate good and never really added any muscle.

Other studies I've seen indicate that there is not a significant advantage in muscle building between all those within 'normal' ranges of total T.
 
When what happens? You mean when you actually go to the gym and train? Or when you just post out your ass? Another fuck tool that adds zero to any thread but posts about nothing. Why don’t you share your experience with higher test values and HGh. Oh wait you have no clue like a lot of the idiots who look like shit , Dont real train and post on this forum. I’m sure you are a fighter too. Lmao ass clown
I’m a fighter. But I refuse to beat the shit out of an old man. No matter how good he looks. Cunt trapped in a jacked body? I guess anything is possible these days.
 
Typical coward. I called you out bitch. Of course you punked out. Funny how many worms never post pictures and talk shit. We all know you are a fat nerdy kid with a vagina

Do you ever post and not try to be an e-thug?

It's always the same retarded song and dance with you. You're like that guy who still talks about his glory days of playing high school football 30 years later.

Give it a rest, boomer.
 
Do you ever post and not try to be an e-thug?

It's always the same retarded song and dance with you. You're like that guy who still talks about his glory days of playing high school football 30 years later.

Give it a rest, boomer.

the glory days are now kid. When you get in shape and don’t look like a shaved bird post up some pictures. Love to see what a piss ass you are. You can’t and you won’t. I dare you. Post or shut up no one likes the out of shape guy giving advice.
 
the glory days are now kid. When you get in shape and don’t look like a shaved bird post up some pictures. Love to see what a piss ass you are. You can’t and you won’t. I dare you. Post or shut up no one likes the out of shape guy giving advice.

You literally post the same comment every time. It's kind of hilarious in a really sad, you-need-more-joy-in-your-life kind of way.

I'm 6'4" and 160 lbs of pure muscle, I'll have you know. Call me when you can bench 185 for 5 reps, chump.
 
Fixed that last part for you.

You're not wrong
Amazing Genetics are also crucial

I just hate to say it out loud.
It feels like I'm copping out when I say that, it also feels like I'm not giving the proper respect to the guys that put in SO MUCH time and work.

Like if i were to just say to a BEAST, "No it's just genetics"

For sure though

If I were to work out TWICE as hard as Ronnie... and take teice as much gear (I'd probably die lol) but if I didnt... I STILL wouldnt even come close.

So yeah, you're right... but I just dont like saying it... out of respect for the guys that put the time in
 
You literally post the same comment every time. It's kind of hilarious in a really sad, you-need-more-joy-in-your-life kind of way.

I'm 6'4" and 160 lbs of pure muscle, I'll have you know. Call me when you can bench 185 for 5 reps, chump.
You're a middle weight I’m 100 lbs bigger then. You. Yea I’m all muscle kid. Stick with basket ball. If you want to learn how to get big instead of looking like a chick pay attention you might learn something. Oh wait. You have to be joking with that bench press. But if you can do that with good form I say good job. I don’t mean to come off like a jerk but if someone has no clue, most don’t even know they have no clue, I will call you out. Good luck you should just read and only ask questions. You might save yourself years of frustration looking like a stick.
 
You're a middle weight I’m 100 lbs bigger then. You. Yea I’m all muscle kid. Stick with basket ball. If you want to learn how to get big instead of looking like a chick pay attention you might learn something. Oh wait. You have to be joking with that bench press. But if you can do that with good form I say good job. I don’t mean to come off like a jerk but if someone has no clue, most don’t even know they have no clue, I will call you out. Good luck you should just read and only ask questions. You might save yourself years of frustration looking like a stick.

You're so easy to troll that it's almost not even fun.
 
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