Thoughts on UGL Vs Pharma

[Connor 25257]

I just wanted to gather some thoughts from those around the community in regards to Pharma vs UGL? I think all of us agree that pharma grade products are much better. However they do tend to be a little bit more pricey. There is also a small risk is getting counterfeit products. I’m highly considering switching to Pharma only products. After 2 years of using underground products, I can only think of 2 labs that I was pleased with. 1 of which completely disappeared off the face of the earth* All of the underground labs I have used are all well known in the community, some have been around for even a decade. Not sure if the products are just crap or it’s a selective scamming issue. One recent example that comes to my head is when I received lab test results from a particular UGL that I was interested in from a few members on both meso and another board. All oils and tabs were slighty overdosed, giving me confidence to purchase. However, I can’t help but feel they are just shills. Would it not make sense that said lab would send in an overdosed sample for testing to gain trust from possible buyers, then send out underdosed/bunk product when the person orders? It seems to me that GOOD UGL’s *especially in the US* have become a dime a dozen. While prices may be cheaper, I think it would be a much safer bet to switch to Pharma products only. Thankfully it seems like we have 3 very good, highly tested pharma grade sources here on meso. I would just like some thoughts on my theory.

 

[jackdiggler]

I just wanted to gather some thoughts from those around the community in regards to Pharma vs UGL? I think all of us agree that pharma grade products are much better. However they do tend to be a little bit more pricey. There is also a small risk is getting counterfeit products. I’m highly considering switching to Pharma only products. After 2 years of using underground products, I can only think of 2 labs that I was pleased with. 1 of which completely disappeared off the face of the earth* All of the underground labs I have used are all well known in the community, some have been around for even a decade. Not sure if the products are just crap or it’s a selective scamming issue. One recent example that comes to my head is when I received lab test results from a particular UGL that I was interested in from a few members on both meso and another board. All oils and tabs were slighty overdosed, giving me confidence to purchase. However, I can’t help but feel they are just shills. Would it not make sense that said lab would send in an overdosed sample for testing to gain trust from possible buyers, then send out underdosed/bunk product when the person orders? It seems to me that GOOD UGL’s *especially in the US* have become a dime a dozen. While prices may be cheaper, I think it would be a much safer bet to switch to Pharma products only. Thankfully it seems like we have 3 very good, highly tested pharma grade sources here on meso. I would just like some thoughts on my theory.

Who's the shady underground you speak of. Spill the beans bro.

Pharma is fine,but It can be highly counterfeited at well. Keep that in mind.

Also, pharma doesn't make the exotics that we like.

 

[Ambiguous]

I don’t agree. For starters most people are retarded and think fancy foreign super labs are Pharma— they aren’t. The same retards think India Pharma China Pharma etc is US Pharma— it’s not. US Pharma to UGL— there are Not many US Pharma products available and a top ugl make them just as good For 1/3 the price. I’d evaluate your ability to process info and vet labs.

 

[Avnj5]

Legit pharma is available if you know where to look, and know what it’s suppose to cost, but still no guarantees. These products are widely faked and not available in huge amounts. Also when a source does get a real Pharmacy product it’s in a fairly limited amount and they are not gonna sell it for cheap. So beware of 5-6 dollar Pharma amps.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I just wanted to gather some thoughts from those around the community in regards to Pharma vs UGL? I think all of us agree that pharma grade products are much better. However they do tend to be a little bit more pricey. There is also a small risk is getting counterfeit products. I’m highly considering switching to Pharma only products. After 2 years of using underground products, I can only think of 2 labs that I was pleased with. 1 of which completely disappeared off the face of the earth* All of the underground labs I have used are all well known in the community, some have been around for even a decade. Not sure if the products are just crap or it’s a selective scamming issue. One recent example that comes to my head is when I received lab test results from a particular UGL that I was interested in from a few members on both meso and another board. All oils and tabs were slighty overdosed, giving me confidence to purchase. However, I can’t help but feel they are just shills. Would it not make sense that said lab would send in an overdosed sample for testing to gain trust from possible buyers, then send out underdosed/bunk product when the person orders? It seems to me that GOOD UGL’s *especially in the US* have become a dime a dozen. While prices may be cheaper, I think it would be a much safer bet to switch to Pharma products only. Thankfully it seems like we have 3 very good, highly tested pharma grade sources here on meso. I would just like some thoughts on my theory.

You have test results that claim “good” and you’re right, a UGL can send off good samples and then selective scam and send bunk products, which is why YOU can send in samples of the product you received.

Take action yourself. If you think it’s bunk, then contact Jano or Lab4Tox and they’ll send you instructions for sending in your own samples. If the results are bad, we can ruin the shady labs. If the results are good then you have confirmation of receiving good products.

 

[Ambiguous]

Legit pharma is available if you know where to look, and know what it’s suppose to cost, but still no guarantees. These products are widely faked and not available in huge amounts. Also when a source does get a real Pharmacy product it’s in a fairly limited amount and they are not gonna sell it for cheap. So beware of 5-6 dollar Pharma amps.

Legit Pharma tren? Where would I find that?

 

[Avnj5]

Legit Pharma tren? Where would I find that?

Are you serious ?

 

[Connor 25257]

Who's the shady underground you speak of. Spill the beans bro.

Pharma is fine,but It can be highly counterfeited at well. Keep that in mind.

Also, pharma doesn't make the exotics that we like.

I have learned a lot since coming to meso- I do not under any circumstances want to cause unnecessary [D]rama. However, I will sa[Y] 2 of thes[E] well known [L]abs have a thread on the forum Superior Muscle. One of which has been around for a decade. [P]ersonally, I think the other one *which is also popular * hasn’t been [V]etted by tru[L]y reliable members of the community. One of the well known UGL labs I have used from meso is a direct reseller from the EU. Take that for what you will. I think that is enough information to point out said labs.

 

[Ambiguous]

Legit pharma is available if you know where to look, and know what it’s suppose to cost, but still no guarantees. These products are widely faked and not available in huge amounts. Also when a source does get a real Pharmacy product it’s in a fairly limited amount and they are not gonna sell it for cheap. So beware of 5-6 dollar Pharma amps.

Legit Pharma tren? Where would I find that

Are you serious ?

I’m seriously interested in your answer

 

[Avnj5]

Legit Pharma tren? Where would I find that

I’m seriously interested in your answer

You must be a very young guy and brand new to steroids. The only tren product ever produced for humans was parabolan in France. Discontinued 25 years ago. The only drugs available pharma are testosterones, nandrolones , proviron most commonly and some countries have primo and some orals like anadrol. Anavar can be had with a rx in America with a hefty price tag. Now if you wanna get technical Balkan pharmaceuticals is a legal company whether guys on here like it or not and they do produce parabolan. And as long as you Balkan is legit it’s great quality. Balkan and alpha pharma are technically licensed and produced as pharma, yet produce a while line of steroids. But your not going to see these products on a pharmacy shelf

 

[Ambiguous]

I have learned a lot since coming to meso- I do not under any circumstances want to cause unnecessary [D]rama. However, I will sa[Y] 2 of thes[E] well known [L]abs have a thread on the forum Superior Muscle. One of which has been around for a decade. [P]ersonally, I think the other one *which is also popular * hasn’t been [V]etted by tru[L]y reliable members of the community. One of the well known UGL labs I have used from meso is a direct reseller from the EU. Take that for what you will. I think that is enough information to point out said labs.

You must be a very young guy and brand new to steroids. The only tren product ever produced for humans was parabolan in France. Discontinued 25 years ago. The only drugs available pharma are testosterones, nandrolones , proviron most commonly and some countries have primo and some orals like anadrol. Anavar can be had with a rx in America with a hefty price tag. Now if you wanna get technical Balkan pharmaceuticals is a legal company whether guys on here like it or not and they do produce parabolan. And as long as you Balkan is legit it’s great quality. Balkan and alpha pharma are technically licensed and produced as pharma, yet produce a while line of steroids. But your not going to see these products on a pharmacy shelf

Not young or new— just setting a trap. This is the retarded shit I was referring to. Foreign Pharma is not Pharma its fancy Packed ugl. It’s not better than a US ugl just more expensive. A regular bro could run gear and hgh for the price that shit.

 

[Ambiguous]

True US Pharma would be safer in terms of infection— that’s it. And the price of those few items would be extravagant

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

I think the issue here is in how certain things get categorized. Balkan is not ‘pharma’, but it’s also not ‘UGL’. They’re a real, major company that operates in a country that allows them to run a pharma type of operation (and indeed some of their products are sold in pharmacies in Moldova) without the risk of being shut down. They’re absolutely not a UGL. But they’re not Perrigo, either. There are multiple examples of these types of situations.

 

[Ambiguous]

I think the issue here is in how certain things get categorized. Balkan is not ‘pharma’, but it’s also not ‘UGL’. They’re a real, major company that operates in a country that allows them to run a pharma type of operation (and indeed some of their products are sold in pharmacies in Moldova) without the risk of being shut down. They’re absolutely not a UGL. But they’re not Perrigo, either. There are multiple examples of these types of situations.

Fine super lab— Yet haven’t there been bad Balkan tests over the years just like most ugl’s? And no I don’t always by the counterfeit excuse. If they Skimp on testing sooner or later China pulls a fast 1

 

[Avnj5]

Not young or new— just setting a trap. This is the retarded shit I was referring to. Foreign Pharma is not Pharma its fancy Packed ugl. It’s not better than a US ugl just more expensive. A regular bro could run gear and hgh for the price that shit.

So you think gear made in the kitchen is the same as being made on a machine wear actual pharmaceutical products are made on? I mean ingredients could possibly be the same, even cleanliness but we Take our chances. It’s not bayer but it’s produced better than a usa ugl.

 

[Avnj5]

Fine super lab— Yet haven’t there been bad Balkan tests over the years just like most ugl’s? And no I don’t always by the counterfeit excuse. If they Skimp on testing sooner or later China pulls a fast 1

I’ve not seen bad tests on Balkan ever but what I have seen are a lot of fakes. They usually look like shit and are easy to spot.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Fine super lab— Yet haven’t there been bad Balkan tests over the years just like most ugl’s? And no I don’t always by the counterfeit excuse. If they Skimp on testing sooner or later China pulls a fast 1

Google ‘Penumbra Inc’ and take a look at how their day is going. Every single company that makes pharmaceuticals, from Eli Lilly down to Rusty’s Bathtub Brewhouse has some number of fuckups that make their way to the public. Balkan having a bad test—which I haven’t seen but I believe is entirely possible—doesn’t change the general point. We have two classifications for a world of products that cannot always be easily classified. That was my only point.

 

[Ambiguous]

So you think gear made in the kitchen is the same as being made on a machine wear actual pharmaceutical products are made on? I mean ingredients could possibly be the same, even cleanliness but we Take our chances. It’s not bayer but it’s produced better than a usa ugl.

I don’t think we know how all Balkan is made. And if a top domestic brewer stays within the limits of their lab— yes. Success kills our domestics through volume. This is a vetting issue

in some circumstances like lots of money little time limited knowledge but a credible source a super lab might be the way to go

 

[Grab Bag]

I just wanted to gather some thoughts from those around the community in regards to Pharma vs UGL? I think all of us agree that pharma grade products are much better. However they do tend to be a little bit more pricey. There is also a small risk is getting counterfeit products. I’m highly considering switching to Pharma only products. After 2 years of using underground products, I can only think of 2 labs that I was pleased with. 1 of which completely disappeared off the face of the earth* All of the underground labs I have used are all well known in the community, some have been around for even a decade. Not sure if the products are just crap or it’s a selective scamming issue. One recent example that comes to my head is when I received lab test results from a particular UGL that I was interested in from a few members on both meso and another board. All oils and tabs were slighty overdosed, giving me confidence to purchase. However, I can’t help but feel they are just shills. Would it not make sense that said lab would send in an overdosed sample for testing to gain trust from possible buyers, then send out underdosed/bunk product when the person orders? It seems to me that GOOD UGL’s *especially in the US* have become a dime a dozen. While prices may be cheaper, I think it would be a much safer bet to switch to Pharma products only. Thankfully it seems like we have 3 very good, highly tested pharma grade sources here on meso. I would just like some thoughts on my theory.

Personally I will never use UGL gear again. It’s just too risky. The type of people that start brewing (and we know who they are based on the arrest reports) are not the kind of people I would trust to prepare me a steak, let alone something I’m going to bypass my bodies natural defenses with by injecting.

I get that everyone has a different risk threshold, different motivations, and different financial incentives, but for me personally UGL gear is not worth the low price tag. I got sterile abscesses from a formerly well respected lab that always tested on point.

I’m going to get flamed for this, but 600 bucks for seros from a USA pharmacy and 130 bucks for a 10ml bottle of test is personally worth it to me. But straight up, those are the prices you’re looking at for something from US pharmacy. Anavar you’re looking at around 8 bucks a dose. Deca 150 for a 10ml bottle.

Are these prices very high? Absolutely. Does everyone have the means or desires to pay that price for peace of mind? Absolutely not. And that’s ok. I’m not here to judge anyone for what they do with their body.

But be aware- If you are going to use ugl gear, be aware that you are risking your health. This does not mean 100% risk, but it is a risk, regardless of what kind of percentage it is. Anyone who tells you differently is either naive, trying to convince themselves of what they are saying, or has a hidden agenda.

 

[Grab Bag]

I think the issue here is in how certain things get categorized. Balkan is not ‘pharma’, but it’s also not ‘UGL’. They’re a real, major company that operates in a country that allows them to run a pharma type of operation (and indeed some of their products are sold in pharmacies in Moldova) without the risk of being shut down. They’re absolutely not a UGL. But they’re not Perrigo, either. There are multiple examples of these types of situations.

God I would love to tour the Balkan production facility someday and see if it really looks like the propaganda coming out of Moldova. I am so damn curious about it.