Thoughts on UGL Vs Pharma

[Iron_Yuppie]

But be aware- If you are going to use ugl gear, be aware that you are risking your health. This does not mean 100% risk, but it is a risk, regardless of what kind of percentage it is.

I don’t disagree, but I’ll add this: your risk of hurting yourself can be narrowed down to near zero by simply refiltering anything from a UGL. I was frankly a little shocked to find out so few people did that. So anyone who goes the UGL route, either because of cost or convenience or just because that’s what they have always done, should absolutely spend the $30-50 a year it would cost to decrease their risk. It’s money well spent.

 

[Grab Bag]

I don’t disagree, but I’ll add this: your risk of hurting yourself can be narrowed down to near zero by simply refiltering anything from a UGL. I was frankly a little shocked to find out so few people did that. So anyone who goes the UGL route, either because of cost or convenience or just because that’s what they have always done, should absolutely spend the $30-50 a year it would cost to decrease their risk. It’s money well spent.

You make a great point here.

I’m not personally knowledgeable enough about particle size/filter size etc to have an opinion on risk percentage, but I completely support any kind of harm reduction and it seems like refiltering would be a very smart move. At that point, maybe one would consider adding additional BA/BB as well? May risk pip, but could really crush chance of infection...?

 

[Ambiguous]

God I would love to tour the Balkan production facility someday and see if it really looks like the propaganda coming out of Moldova. I am so damn curious about it.

It’s the 10 facilities they don’t Let you see that worry me

 

[Grab Bag]

It’s the 10 facilities they don’t Let you see that worry me

You probably just hit the nail on the head

 

[hyp0luxa]

I’m going to get flamed for this, but 600 bucks for seros from a USA pharmacy and 130 bucks for a 10ml bottle of test is personally worth it to me. But straight up, those are the prices you’re looking at for something from US pharmacy. Anavar you’re looking at around 8 bucks a dose. Deca 150 for a 10ml bottle.

I think there is just as much risk buying USA pharma on the black market, as UGL. Unless I'm getting it from Walgreens or an actual pharma distributor. The counterfeit market is huge, and pharmaceutical diversion is monitored pretty well. Not saying you can't get legit goods, but risk is not eliminated.

 

[Connor 25257]

I honestly wouldn’t mind buying from a UGL if I knew it was worth a damn. Like @Grab Bag mentioned, I probably won’t be using another UGL. They are just truly starting to become a disgrace in the world of AAS. Wether you’re buying from the clear net, dark net or some dude at the gym- if it’s a UGL, you’re chances of getting scammed are more higher than not. Or that’s how it seems at least. It’s just not a risk I want to continue and take. Thousands of dollars wasted. Pretty sad we can’t even rely on people to make legit testosterone or nandrolone *two of the cheapest hormones available to make* the fact most labs fake/underdose any hormone is an absolute joke

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

Personally I will never use UGL gear again. It’s just too risky. The type of people that start brewing (and we know who they are based on the arrest reports) are not the kind of people I would trust to prepare me a steak, let alone something I’m going to bypass my bodies natural defenses with by injecting.

I get that everyone has a different risk threshold, different motivations, and different financial incentives, but for me personally UGL gear is not worth the low price tag. I got sterile abscesses from a formerly well respected lab that always tested on point.

I’m going to get flamed for this, but 600 bucks for seros from a USA pharmacy and 130 bucks for a 10ml bottle of test is personally worth it to me. But straight up, those are the prices you’re looking at for something from US pharmacy. Anavar you’re looking at around 8 bucks a dose. Deca 150 for a 10ml bottle.

Are these prices very high? Absolutely. Does everyone have the means or desires to pay that price for peace of mind? Absolutely not. And that’s ok. I’m not here to judge anyone for what they do with their body.

But be aware- If you are going to use ugl gear, be aware that you are risking your health. This does not mean 100% risk, but it is a risk, regardless of what kind of percentage it is. Anyone who tells you differently is either naive, trying to convince themselves of what they are saying, or has a hidden agenda.

Name and shame the lab.
You also said abscesses, not just a single one.

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

God I would love to tour the Balkan production facility someday and see if it really looks like the propaganda coming out of Moldova. I am so damn curious about it.

Many people sure are curious as hell about Balkan,including me.

 

[Ambiguous]

I honestly wouldn’t mind buying from a UGL if I knew it was worth a damn. Like @Grab Bag mentioned, I probably won’t be using another UGL. They are just truly starting to become a disgrace in the world of AAS. Wether you’re buying from the clear net, dark net or some dude at the gym- if it’s a UGL, you’re chances of getting scammed are more higher than not. Or that’s how it seems at least. It’s just not a risk I want to continue and take. Thousands of dollars wasted. Pretty sad we can’t even rely on people to make legit testosterone or nandrolone *two of the cheapest hormones available to make* the fact most labs fake/underdose any hormone is an absolute joke

You’ve been around for a minute— have any bread crumbs led you to Han?

 

[Grab Bag]

I think there is just as much risk buying USA pharma on the black market, as UGL. Unless I'm getting it from Walgreens or an actual pharma distributor. The counterfeit market is huge, and pharmaceutical diversion is monitored pretty well. Not saying you can't get legit goods, but risk is not eliminated.

it’s true, there are scam artists for every market. Regardless of what you’re trying to source you need to do your homework for sure. It is very hard to find us pharma on the open market. Quantities are low and prices are high. Anyone openly advertising something like Watson is scamming.

I get test directly from the pharmacy so I know that’s legit. I used to get gh from the pharmacy as well but that was just way too expensive, so the GH I get now is from a very trusted low key source and it still has the Walgreens rx stickers on it etc. Still crazy expensive but about half the price of the RX I was personally getting from the pharmacy.

I believe it is legit for now- However that could change overnight. There are no guarantees in this game.

 

[Grab Bag]

You’ve been around for a minute— have any bread crumbs led you to Han?

I can’t imagine it would be hard for him to find a public thread on SST?

 

[Connor 25257]

You’ve been around for a minute— have any bread crumbs led you to Han?

Afraid not. I’ve heard of a “Stan” granted he’s private now. He was one of the labs I wanted to give a shot after sym decided to ass fuck everyone. Sadly, I did not get that opportunity. Symbiotics, in my opinion was a Ugl I was pleased with.

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

I don’t disagree, but I’ll add this: your risk of hurting yourself can be narrowed down to near zero by simply refiltering anything from a UGL. I was frankly a little shocked to find out so few people did that. So anyone who goes the UGL route, either because of cost or convenience or just because that’s what they have always done, should absolutely spend the $30-50 a year it would cost to decrease their risk. It’s money well spent.

This can be done,but if someone would be willing to go through this process, he may as well brew his own.
If someone just buys filters,he will need new sterile vials to put the newly filtered oil in -> it adds up. Especially if you are buying presterilized vials.
Either homebrew or trust the ugl. Personally, I don't trust ugls for sure.
However I do get your point.

 

[Grab Bag]

Name and shame the lab.
You also said abscesses, not just a single one.

TGI. didn’t bother to name him because he’s long gone and is in jail. We all know who he is and what he’s done.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I honestly wouldn’t mind buying from a UGL if I knew it was worth a damn. Like @Grab Bag mentioned, I probably won’t be using another UGL. They are just truly starting to become a disgrace in the world of AAS. Wether you’re buying from the clear net, dark net or some dude at the gym- if it’s a UGL, you’re chances of getting scammed are more higher than not. Or that’s how it seems at least. It’s just not a risk I want to continue and take. Thousands of dollars wasted. Pretty sad we can’t even rely on people to make legit testosterone or nandrolone *two of the cheapest hormones available to make* the fact most labs fake/underdose any hormone is an absolute joke

Careful, this is what got you flamed the first time around. You can’t tell if your stuff is underdosed on feelzzz bonerzzz or gainzzz. Send that stuff in for testing.

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

TGI. didn’t bother to name him because he’s long gone and is in jail. We all know who he is and what he’s done.

Thanks.
I didn't know you were referring to that lab and that's why I suggested to name it in the open.

 

[Ambiguous]

Afraid not. I’ve heard of a “Stan” granted he’s private now. He was one of the labs I wanted to give a shot after sym decided to ass fuck everyone. Sadly, I did not get that opportunity. Symbiotics, in my opinion was a Ugl I was pleased with.

Wow how did you manage to find Stan? So back to my original argument. This is a Connor issue. Good UGLs come and go— You have to be able to process info and vet them. This takes time. And it’s still playing with fire

 

[TrennedOutLunatic]

I think there is just as much risk buying USA pharma on the black market, as UGL. Unless I'm getting it from Walgreens or an actual pharma distributor. The counterfeit market is huge, and pharmaceutical diversion is monitored pretty well. Not saying you can't get legit goods, but risk is not eliminated.

Same risk indeed.
Where I am from,there's a huge counterfeit market for all the "pharma" stuff. Stupidly huge. It is literally all over the place.

 

[Avnj5]

There are options. You have to buy things and send yourself blind to jano. I bought omnadren and aspen sust successfully recently. Some Turkish gh pens with codes and unique serials unlike the fakes which duplicate serial#. What about alpha pharma? Good quality not really over priced if you ask me. Much harder to fake than Balkan. Gmp manufactured in India.

 

[Ambiguous]

There are options. You have to buy things and send yourself blind to jano. I bought omnadren and aspen sust successfully recently. Some Turkish gh pens with codes and unique serials unlike the fakes which duplicate serial#. What about alpha pharma? Good quality not really over priced if you ask me. Much harder to fake than Balkan. Gmp manufactured in India.

Domestic? I can’t imagine risking international right now