Thoughts on UGL Vs Pharma

[Avnj5]

Domestic? I can’t imagine risking international right now

It’s possible at times yes. But yes both.

 

[Grab Bag]

There are options. You have to buy things and send yourself blind to jano. I bought omnadren and aspen sust successfully recently. Some Turkish gh pens with codes and unique serials unlike the fakes which duplicate serial#. What about alpha pharma? Good quality not really over priced if you ask me. Much harder to fake than Balkan. Gmp manufactured in India.

I don’t know about GMP... if I remember correctly the owner of alpha pharma got arrested in England running a lab out of a shipping container. Pretty sure they are just what some folks call “posh ugl.”

I bet @biggerben69 could shed some light on this. He’s kind of the local historian around these parts.

 

[RiceyAF]

I honestly wouldn’t mind buying from a UGL if I knew it was worth a damn. Like @Grab Bag mentioned, I probably won’t be using another UGL. They are just truly starting to become a disgrace in the world of AAS.

What do you mean man, a disgrace? UGL’s offer the product we want for a fraction of the cost. If you’re getting ripped off more often then not, then like someone else said your process of elimination is terrible.

I’d rather buy my car used, from a private sale or used dealership knowing I did my due diligence beforehand and walking away with a killer deal. That’s just me. However, Plenty of middle class people still like to go to the dealership and walk away paying $500/mo for their new car.

 

[Connor 25257]

What do you mean man, a disgrace? UGL’s offer the product we want for a fraction of the cost. If you’re getting ripped off more often then not, then like someone else said your process of elimination is terrible.

I’d rather buy my car used, from a private sale or used dealership knowing I did my due diligence beforehand and walking away with a killer deal. That’s just me. However, Plenty of middle class people still like to go to the dealership and walk away paying $500/mo for their new car.

I suppose you could make the argument that my process of elimination is bad. However, when it comes to a UGL. You’re chances of getting a “killer deal” aren’t all that great. As I said earlier, I ordered from a lab that has been around for over a decade and “vetted” by multiple members on not only this forum, but others as well. To my disappointment, it was a horrendous experience. DYEL was one of the top UGLS for a very long time. It appears he has fallen off, at least in my experience. So I’m not exactly sure how my elimination process could be that bad if I’m constantly choosing well known, vetted sources

 

[RiceyAF]

I’m no pro. I don’t know “Top UGLS”. Maybe that’s where you’re going wrong? Always looking at “well known” sources and not being able to use your own common sense , and instead relying on other people saying a source is “vetted”. Obviously customers feedback is a must when looking into a source , however I believe more importantly is seeing how’s the source behaves. Sort of profiling them. The way they conduct themselves and how they do buisness. Do they own up to there mistakes ? Or blame everything on the consumer? I like sources who aren’t here to be the biggest. They stay low-profile and don’t try to be a name on every forum.

However, you could of had really bad luck and that sucks. I wasn’t being sarcastic or trying to sound demeaning towards you. Hopefully you find what works and is comfortable with you. Goodluck

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Legit Pharma tren? Where would I find that

I’m seriously interested in your answer

Go to a Mexican pharmacy.. you ll find even Boldenone human grade... they do the fuck they wanna there... i wouldnt be surprised if you could buy even Cocaine in mexican pharmacy... as anesthetic

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I just wanted to gather some thoughts from those around the community in regards to Pharma vs UGL? I think all of us agree that pharma grade products are much better. However they do tend to be a little bit more pricey. There is also a small risk is getting counterfeit products. I’m highly considering switching to Pharma only products. After 2 years of using underground products, I can only think of 2 labs that I was pleased with. 1 of which completely disappeared off the face of the earth* All of the underground labs I have used are all well known in the community, some have been around for even a decade. Not sure if the products are just crap or it’s a selective scamming issue. One recent example that comes to my head is when I received lab test results from a particular UGL that I was interested in from a few members on both meso and another board. All oils and tabs were slighty overdosed, giving me confidence to purchase. However, I can’t help but feel they are just shills. Would it not make sense that said lab would send in an overdosed sample for testing to gain trust from possible buyers, then send out underdosed/bunk product when the person orders? It seems to me that GOOD UGL’s *especially in the US* have become a dime a dozen. While prices may be cheaper, I think it would be a much safer bet to switch to Pharma products only. Thankfully it seems like we have 3 very good, highly tested pharma grade sources here on meso. I would just like some thoughts on my theory.

How many of those past UGL's have you written off due to lack of progress when it was your fault because you didn't know how to eat properly?

Did you ever test ANY of the gear that you claimed was bunk?

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but when you start a thread with anecdotal, no feelz bullshit, it's kinda hard not to.

 

[Gymjitsu]

I honestly wouldn’t mind buying from a UGL if I knew it was worth a damn. Like @Grab Bag mentioned, I probably won’t be using another UGL. They are just truly starting to become a disgrace in the world of AAS. Wether you’re buying from the clear net, dark net or some dude at the gym- if it’s a UGL, you’re chances of getting scammed are more higher than not. Or that’s how it seems at least. It’s just not a risk I want to continue and take. Thousands of dollars wasted. Pretty sad we can’t even rely on people to make legit testosterone or nandrolone *two of the cheapest hormones available to make* the fact most labs fake/underdose any hormone is an absolute joke

Really don't understand how you are having such trouble with UGL sources... Ugl gear is all I've used and made some great gains over the past year

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

How many of those past UGL's have you written off due to lack of progress when it was your fault because you didn't know how to eat properly?

Did you ever test ANY of the gear that you claimed was bunk?

i don't want to beat a dead horse, but when you start a thread with anecdotal, no feelz bullshit, it's kinda hard not to.

Go ahead, say it. I know you want to. He’s earned it and if you don’t say it I’ll have to say. So are you gonna say it or not?

Fine, I’ll say it. Whatever.

Looks like “Connor the Retard” is back. [emoji1787]

 

[Test_Subject]

In all my years of buying UGL gear I've had exactly one issue... and that was just that a lab sent me cialis instead of anadrol. They fixed it ASAP.

I don't understand how you so consistently manage to find bunk gear.

-- Have you had any of the gear tested?

-- Is it the gear or is your diet and/or training way off the mark?

You either have the worst luck ever or the issue is the common denominator...

 

[Connor 25257]

In all my years of buying UGL gear I've had exactly one issue... and that was just that a lab sent me cialis instead of anadrol. They fixed it ASAP.

I don't understand how you so consistently manage to find bunk gear.

-- Have you had any of the gear tested?

-- Is it the gear or is your diet and/or training way off the mark?

You either have the worst luck ever or the issue is the common denominator...

Diet and training have always been very good. I just recently started throwing in a cheat meal once every two weeks because I’ve always been so fixated on maintaining a perfect diet. Training is the same way. I’ve always trained “harder than last time” and focused on progressive overload while aiming in the 8-12 rep range, sometimes even as high as 15 and as low as 6. I recently started a John Meadows program- *creeping death to be exact* so I think it’s fair to say the diet and training are on point. As far as getting gear tested, I have not done it because, as I said, every source I have used has had some kind of lab results, some even being blind results. Granted I know that can be shills which is probably why I should just go ahead and do it myself. The price and wait times can fucking suck. But that’s the risk we take. Not saying it couldn’t be me, my genes could be fucking garbage. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places? Just sucks after hearing and seeing so many good things about PVL and DYEL in particular. Huge let down from the both of them

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

In all my years of buying UGL gear I've had exactly one issue... and that was just that a lab sent me cialis instead of anadrol. They fixed it ASAP.

Diet and training have always been very good. I just recently started throwing in a cheat meal once every two weeks because I’ve always been so fixated on maintaining a perfect diet. Training is the same way. I’ve always trained “harder than last time” and focused on progressive overload while aiming in the 8-12 rep range, sometimes even as high as 15 and as low as 6. I recently started a John Meadows program- *creeping death to be exact* so I think it’s fair to say the diet and training are on point. As far as getting gear tested, I have not done it because, as I said, every source I have used has had some kind of lab results, some even being blind results. Granted I know that can be shills which is probably why I should just go ahead and do it myself. The price and wait times can fucking suck. But that’s the risk we take. Not saying it couldn’t be me, my genes could be fucking garbage. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places? Just sucks after hearing and seeing so many good things about PVL and DYEL in particular. Huge let down from the both of them

By diet, are you getting enough calories. You can’t build muscle out of nothing, no matter how hard you train or how much drugs you take. If there is nothing to feed your muscles or build new muscle fibers, you won’t get stronger and you won’t gain any size.

It’s not just you, there’s tons of guys on here that do the same thing. “Recomp cycle bro cause I’m a little fat but I want to gain muscle”. So they do a half-assed bulk cycle for 6-8 weeks and then switch to tren and anavar and do a cut cycle. What? Spinning wheels.

We all do this and some of us have body dysmorphia issues. Never big enough. Never lean enough. Never reaching out goals. I think you are one that’s afraid to get fat so you’re eating a little bit more than you usually do but not enough to put on significant muscle mass. So you *think* you’re doing everything right and see no results so blame the gear. Eat big sometime. 6 meals a day and your jaw should ache. It should hurt to eat. It’s not fun. Nothing looks good anymore. Just eat. And see what happens. Yes, you might lose your abs, but you can work on that during the next cycle if you feel you need to. You’ll see significant gains though.

Lastly, get in the habit of taking a before pic at the start and an after pic for yourself. That will prevent the body dysmorphia from bullshitting you.

 

[RiceyAF]

In all my years of buying UGL gear I've had exactly one issue... and that was just that a lab sent me cialis instead of anadrol. They fixed it ASAP.

Diet and training have always been very good. I just recently started throwing in a cheat meal once every two weeks because I’ve always been so fixated on maintaining a perfect diet. Training is the same way. I’ve always trained “harder than last time” and focused on progressive overload while aiming in the 8-12 rep range, sometimes even as high as 15 and as low as 6. I recently started a John Meadows program- *creeping death to be exact* so I think it’s fair to say the diet and training are on point. As far as getting gear tested, I have not done it because, as I said, every source I have used has had some kind of lab results, some even being blind results. Granted I know that can be shills which is probably why I should just go ahead and do it myself. The price and wait times can fucking suck. But that’s the risk we take. Not saying it couldn’t be me, my genes could be fucking garbage. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places? Just sucks after hearing and seeing so many good things about PVL and DYEL in particular. Huge let down from the both of them

Sorry man at this point you make absolutely no fucking sense. You are all over the place rambling nonsense. Earlier you stated UGL’s are a disgrace but yet You haven’t even made it clear to why exactly you are against UGL’s. Seems however it is because you feel like you are getting under-dosed gear? Then you go on to say you haven’t EVER gotten gear tested? So did you buy from DYEL and PVL and didn’t get the gains you were looking for? Or did you not purchase anything at all and seen recent reviews that are negative.

This is what you need to do. Buy a cycle from a UGL you deem legit. Run the whole fucking cycle and then afterwards when your done be sure to have saved some oil + money and send it off to get tested. That way you go into a cycle with the same mentality you have before. If your gains are shit and everything comes back good from a purity standpoint then you know your training and dieting needs to be altered. Don’t blame it on genetics.

Also to add , If you’re buying from well known sources that do have a good reputation and somehow you have been constantly getting “Under dosed” gear well then guess what. Your training/diet still fucking sucks. Most people take way more than they need to so even if it’s lacking purity you’re gains should STILL be there. ( I am not saying you should buy from a source if they continually sell under dosed products, I am just stating the obvious )

 

[Gymjitsu]

By diet, are you getting enough calories. You can’t build muscle out of nothing, no matter how hard you train or how much drugs you take. If there is nothing to feed your muscles or build new muscle fibers, you won’t get stronger and you won’t gain any size.

It’s not just you, there’s tons of guys on here that do the same thing. “Recomp cycle bro cause I’m a little fat but I want to gain muscle”. So they do a half-assed bulk cycle for 6-8 weeks and then switch to tren and anavar and do a cut cycle. What? Spinning wheels.

We all do this and some of us have body dysmorphia issues. Never big enough. Never lean enough. Never reaching out goals. I think you are one that’s afraid to get fat so you’re eating a little bit more than you usually do but not enough to put on significant muscle mass. So you *think* you’re doing everything right and see no results so blame the gear. Eat big sometime. 6 meals a day and your jaw should ache. It should hurt to eat. It’s not fun. Nothing looks good anymore. Just eat. And see what happens. Yes, you might lose your abs, but you can work on that during the next cycle if you feel you need to. You’ll see significant gains though.

Lastly, get in the habit of taking a before pic at the start and an after pic for yourself. That will prevent the body dysmorphia from bullshitting you.

Man bbbg hit the nail on the head. I rarely if ever disagree with this guy. We all get way too caught up in our heads sometimes, if this shit was easy everyone would be jacked.

 

[138casanova]

By diet, are you getting enough calories. You can’t build muscle out of nothing, no matter how hard you train or how much drugs you take. If there is nothing to feed your muscles or build new muscle fibers, you won’t get stronger and you won’t gain any size.

It’s not just you, there’s tons of guys on here that do the same thing. “Recomp cycle bro cause I’m a little fat but I want to gain muscle”. So they do a half-assed bulk cycle for 6-8 weeks and then switch to tren and anavar and do a cut cycle. What? Spinning wheels.

We all do this and some of us have body dysmorphia issues. Never big enough. Never lean enough. Never reaching out goals. I think you are one that’s afraid to get fat so you’re eating a little bit more than you usually do but not enough to put on significant muscle mass. So you *think* you’re doing everything right and see no results so blame the gear. Eat big sometime. 6 meals a day and your jaw should ache. It should hurt to eat. It’s not fun. Nothing looks good anymore. Just eat. And see what happens. Yes, you might lose your abs, but you can work on that during the next cycle if you feel you need to. You’ll see significant gains though.

Lastly, get in the habit of taking a before pic at the start and an after pic for yourself. That will prevent the body dysmorphia from bullshitting you.

I feel attacked. [emoji23]

 

[cochino]

I suppose you could make the argument that my process of elimination is bad. However, when it comes to a UGL. You’re chances of getting a “killer deal” aren’t all that great. As I said earlier, I ordered from a lab that has been around for over a decade and “vetted” by multiple members on not only this forum, but others as well. To my disappointment, it was a horrendous experience. DYEL was one of the top UGLS for a very long time. It appears he has fallen off, at least in my experience. So I’m not exactly sure how my elimination process could be that bad if I’m constantly choosing well known, vetted sources

I recently did a 6 week cutting cycle with one of the mentioned UGL's and did fine. I really think you need to reevaluate your diet because that along with training is going to dictate your success way more than any drug.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Diet and training have always been very good.

Bullshit! Your inability to eat for growth (among other things) is what earned you the retard moniker.

Your supermodel diet with a cheat meal every two weeks sounds like you're still spinning your wheels and looking to the gear to make up for your shortcomings.

This is basic shit, dude. You blaming UGL's for your lack of progress with nothing to back up those claims is going to get you nicknamed again.

You're the only one crying foul after using so many different labs. Why do you think that is?

 

[FruitLoops]

I have learned a lot since coming to meso- I do not under any circumstances want to cause unnecessary [D]rama. However, I will sa[Y] 2 of thes[E] well known [L]abs have a thread on the forum Superior Muscle. One of which has been around for a decade. [P]ersonally, I think the other one *which is also popular * hasn’t been [V]etted by tru[L]y reliable members of the community. One of the well known UGL labs I have used from meso is a direct reseller from the EU. Take that for what you will. I think that is enough information to point out said labs.

DYEL just sent a vial with a floater in it to one of our members.

I have contacted DYEL personally avout said matter and DYEL took 0% responsibility of said issue.

A high quality business of any kind will own up to its mistakes. DYEL did not live up to this virtue.

Please visit the most recent DYEL thread.

Thank You.

 

[cochino]

Bullshit! Your inability to eat for growth (among other things) is what earned you the retard moniker.

Your supermodel diet with a cheat meal every two weeks sounds like you're still spinning your wheels and looking to the gear to make up for your shortcomings.

This is basic shit, dude. You blaming UGL's for your lack of progress with nothing to back up those claims is going to get you nicknamed again.

You're the only one crying foul after using so many different labs. Why do you think that is?

Its no use. He refuses to listen.

 

[BigDaddyV]

In all my years of buying UGL gear I've had exactly one issue... and that was just that a lab sent me cialis instead of anadrol. They fixed it ASAP.

Diet and training have always been very good. I just recently started throwing in a cheat meal once every two weeks because I’ve always been so fixated on maintaining a perfect diet. Training is the same way. I’ve always trained “harder than last time” and focused on progressive overload while aiming in the 8-12 rep range, sometimes even as high as 15 and as low as 6. I recently started a John Meadows program- *creeping death to be exact* so I think it’s fair to say the diet and training are on point. As far as getting gear tested, I have not done it because, as I said, every source I have used has had some kind of lab results, some even being blind results. Granted I know that can be shills which is probably why I should just go ahead and do it myself. The price and wait times can fucking suck. But that’s the risk we take. Not saying it couldn’t be me, my genes could be fucking garbage. Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places? Just sucks after hearing and seeing so many good things about PVL and DYEL in particular. Huge let down from the both of them

Do you really plan to get bigger with eating perfectly except for one cheat meal every two weeks? Also 8-12 rep range is gay. 20+ or don’t even try. “Training is the same way I’ve always trained” is probably your biggest problem. You’re following beginner bodybuilding methods. I dont really know you so I don’t want to go in on you but from what others are saying you need to change what you’re doing.
Start eating more and training harder and your gear is going to work. I’m currently on test from a source here no one likes and before this I was on cvs pharmacy test. It’s the exact same. If you’re using gear from vetted sources and failing, it’s likely you