Thoughts on UGL Vs Pharma

[SponsorJuicePal]

Tough to say. Most ugls are absolute shit. Even a lot of the labs with "good reviews" are often people running overdosed crap lol. Blind tests have shown us this over and over.... There is some fuckwhit now on ASF running 25 mg of anavar unable to workout due to the pumps... Clearly not fucking properly dosed anavar 25. And then when they go from running overdosed orals to a real sponsor that doses it within range to the dosage of what is advertised and then they think that sponsor is crap lol.


so yes stick with pharma when you have the option.

I am biased as i know exactly what i am putting into my body.... But for me -


Pharma oils? I hate. I only use insulin syringes so with pharma test it takes forever to go through them...I remember I spent 5 minutes injecting pharma test when it goes through it in about 1 minute with my own testosterone.

HGH? Of course, pharma hgh destroys generics. Generics you will get the same results but not look as pharma but it comes with side effects. Knee pain, wrist pain, more bloating etc. I never got any of this with pharma. In fact i can jump right onto 8 iu of pharma hgh and not get any sides other than high BP , and with generics i would get wrist pain and tons of other sides and face more bloated.

Orals? Depends on the source. I would say for the most part yes stick with pharma (just look up all the blind tests on sources lol) if you have that option due to the unreliability of most UGL's. If i had no access to my own stock and had to choose between pharma and a popular ugl, i would go with pharma if given the 2 choices.

And if you go with UGL for stuff you cant get pharma grade then test it. Buy year worth of stock(you can negoiate with them a discount for the large purchase and use the money savings to test it so you know what mg exactly everything is - my suggestion )

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

HGH? Of course, pharma hgh destroys generics. Generics you will get the same results but not look as pharma but it comes with side effects.

I want to read the scientific explanation for why a generic 191aa that tests at 99% with 0% dimer would cause a different reaction than a pharma 191aa (that has likely never been tested by anyone but is assumed to be proper). Walk me through the science, step by step, that would cause a different ‘look’.

 

[Ambiguous]

Another issue is some guys just have shit gear response. My best friend and I could do the exact same thing gear, diet and exercise. I’d look like I compete— he’d look like he worked out a bit

 

[Ambiguous]

I want to read the scientific explanation for why a generic 191aa that tests at 99% with 0% dimer would cause a different reaction than a pharma 191aa (that has likely never been tested by anyone but is assumed to be proper). Walk me through the science, step by step, that would cause a different ‘look’.

its all BS— no difference. I’ve done them. Genos give me migraines. That’s the only difference. Seros are identical

 

[BigDaddyV]

its all BS— no difference. I’ve done them. Genos give me migraines. That’s the only difference. Seros are identical

Is that why I’ve had a fucking headache the past three days?
I’m going back to generics lol

 

[hyp0luxa]

its all BS— no difference. I’ve done them. Genos give me migraines. That’s the only difference. Seros are identical

I definitely hold more water on seros all else being equal

 

[Underworld]

Google ‘Penumbra Inc’ and take a look at how their day is going. Every single company that makes pharmaceuticals, from Eli Lilly down to Rusty’s Bathtub Brewhouse has some number of fuckups that make their way to the public. Balkan having a bad test—which I haven’t seen but I believe is entirely possible—doesn’t change the general point. We have two classifications for a world of products that cannot always be easily classified. That was my only point.

Link for Rusty's plz?

 

[jackmeoff1]

Prior to 2018 there was a huge difference between ugl and pharma . I mean there were 1 or 2 really good ugls but the price was about the same as pharma anyways so what was the point.

The ugl game changed and it changed big time. I speculate that it’s the same manufactures of fentanyl who are now making AAS. We know that legit GMP facilities convert to fentanyl manufactures at night in China. The quality of raws improved drastically with the popularity and prevalence of fentanyl.

Generic hgh was complete crap and expensive and now you can find good genetics everywhere. Gone are the days when you has to wait on middle man TP for 6 months for decent gh kits. Fuck those days !

 

[Connor 25257]

Just a thought....But if you notice, most of the well known pro bodybuilders always disregard using black market steroids as most of them are awful. John Meadows being a prime example, he always preaches to go pharma if you are going to use. Sadly it’s not the 90s anymore, you can’t get the good stuff from overseas anymore. We are literally putting our trust into someone brewing gear in their basement with raws that come from China. A country that is known to be shady af

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Just a thought....But if you notice, most of the well known pro bodybuilders always disregard using black market steroids as most of them are awful. John Meadows being a prime example, he always preaches to go pharma if you are going to use. Sadly it’s not the 90s anymore, you can’t get the good stuff from overseas anymore. We are literally putting our trust into someone brewing gear in their basement with raws that come from China. A country that is known to be shady af

Go buy pharma then. There’s plenty of sources in the Underground.

Do you think a bodybuilder is going to say “I get my steroids illegally on the black market”?? Out in a public interview. Do you think a bodybuilder or ANYONE on video or podcast is going to say “black market UGL is good.” - what happens if someone gets an infection? C’mon.

What do you THINK is in the Chinese raws? Anything like rat turds gets filtered out after you brew. Guys have claimed “what about heavy metals???” and that’s been covered here before. AnabolicLab used to test for heavy metals 5-6 years ago - nothing. Jano used to offer testing for metals and he stopped offering that because the results were ALWAYS nothing. Heavy metals aren’t in the raws because they’re not in any part of the synthesis of these materials. They’re all manufactured in a industrial laboratory, they just don’t need to be sterile. You can’t make that stuff in a hut over a kettle. It’s the handling afterwards that may introduce shit but with the testing people can get the purity has been very good the past few years.

 

[janoshik]

Go buy pharma then. There’s plenty of sources in the Underground.

Do you think a bodybuilder is going to say “I get my steroids illegally on the black market”?? Out in a public interview. Do you think a bodybuilder or ANYONE on video or podcast is going to say “black market UGL is good.” - what happens if someone gets an infection? C’mon.

What do you THINK is in the Chinese raws? Anything like rat turds gets filtered out after you brew. Guys have claimed “what about heavy metals???” and that’s been covered here before. AnabolicLab used to test for heavy metals 5-6 years ago - nothing. Jano used to offer testing for metals and he stopped offering that because the results were ALWAYS nothing. Heavy metals aren’t in the raws because they’re not in any part of the synthesis of these materials. They’re all manufactured in a industrial laboratory, they just don’t need to be sterile. You can’t make that stuff in a hut over a kettle. It’s the handling afterwards that may introduce shit but with the testing people can get the purity has been very good the past few years.

Just to fill you in on the latest knowledge a client paid for heavy metals analysis of two oils a month ago, and they came back...

 

[Connor 25257]

Go buy pharma then. There’s plenty of sources in the Underground.

Do you think a bodybuilder is going to say “I get my steroids illegally on the black market”?? Out in a public interview. Do you think a bodybuilder or ANYONE on video or podcast is going to say “black market UGL is good.” - what happens if someone gets an infection? C’mon.

What do you THINK is in the Chinese raws? Anything like rat turds gets filtered out after you brew. Guys have claimed “what about heavy metals???” and that’s been covered here before. AnabolicLab used to test for heavy metals 5-6 years ago - nothing. Jano used to offer testing for metals and he stopped offering that because the results were ALWAYS nothing. Heavy metals aren’t in the raws because they’re not in any part of the synthesis of these materials. They’re all manufactured in a industrial laboratory, they just don’t need to be sterile. You can’t make that stuff in a hut over a kettle. It’s the handling afterwards that may introduce shit but with the testing people can get the purity has been very good the past few years.

I do agree with the statement that a bodybuilder would not come out directly and say they get their stuff from the black market. But I think it’s also fair to speculate that a vast majority of underground sources are best to stay away from. The underground scene has always been a shady one to say the least. Which obviously sucks because most of us “normal” folks don’t have the connections to get pharmaceutical grade products. Instead we are basically taking a shot in the dark. Only very recently has the underground scene started testing their products. How long that will last in the underground scene remains to be seen. But hopefully they keep improving

 

[janoshik]

Just to fill you in on the latest knowledge a client paid for heavy metals analysis of two oils a month ago, and they came back...


...
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...all right with nowhere near dangerous levels of heavy metals.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I do agree with the statement that a bodybuilder would not come out directly and say they get their stuff from the black market. But I think it’s also fair to speculate that a vast majority of underground sources are best to stay away from. The underground scene has always been a shady one to say the least. Which obviously sucks because most of us “normal” folks don’t have the connections to get pharmaceutical grade products. Instead we are basically taking a shot in the dark. Only very recently has the underground scene started testing their products. How long that will last in the underground scene remains to be seen. But hopefully they keep improving

Its “shady” because it’s illegal. You just need to weed out the criminal elements and then it’s like any other business. I’ve actually thought at times it’s BETTER than other business transactions. These guys are competitive and eager to make up for mistakes.

Testing has made the quality good for over 3 years now. I don’t see it going backwards. But anything is possible I guess.

 

[Jerry5000]

Who's the shady underground you speak of. Spill the beans bro.

Pharma is fine,but It can be highly counterfeited at well. Keep that in mind.

Also, pharma doesn't make the exotics that we like.

Some compounding pharmacies are crap

 

[Connor 25257]

Its “shady” because it’s illegal. You just need to weed out the criminal elements and then it’s like any other business. I’ve actually thought at times it’s BETTER than other business transactions. These guys are competitive and eager to make up for mistakes.

Testing has made the quality good for over 3 years now. I don’t see it going backwards. But anything is possible I guess.

I hope that’s the case. I guess there were perks of being a steroid user in the 90s . Hopefully I’ll give ugl a chance again in the future

 

[janoshik]

I hope that’s the case. I guess there were perks of being a steroid user in the 90s . Hopefully I’ll give ugl a chance again in the future

>perks of being a steroid user in the 90s

Seriously?
Bunk, fakes, gyno, even goddamn jaundice and straight out retarded cycles due to information vacuum were the norm.

The guys who had it good are still around in the community talking, introducing some serious survivorship bias, but it was in no way better back then.

Just my point of view... the guys who've actually been around back then will have more valid point of view.

 

[GuerillaPete]

This is the difference my friends

 

[Connor 25257]

>perks of being a steroid user in the 90s

Seriously?
Bunk, fakes, gyno, even goddamn jaundice and straight out retarded cycles due to information vacuum were the norm.

The guys who had it good are still around in the community talking, introducing some serious survivorship bias, but it was in no way better back then.

Just my point of view... the guys who've actually been around back then will have more valid point of view.

The same can be said for today....only difference being instead of completely bunk products, it’s severely underdosed ones. You’re right, I wasn’t even old enough to pick up a weight then. But from the guys I know personally, most of them always talk about how great the gear was from Mexico. Apparently France had some killer Tren in the late 80s/early 90s also.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

The same can be said for today....only difference being instead of completely bunk products, it’s severely underdosed ones. You’re right, I wasn’t even old enough to pick up a weight then. But from the guys I know personally, most of them always talk about how great the gear was from Mexico. Apparently France had some killer Tren in the late 80s/early 90s also.

You should take that with a grain of salt. Those are romanticized anecdotal stories. “Back in my day...”

Properly dosed testosterone is the same as properly dosed testosterone. There was nothing special about it before.