Second cycle cut log

[6FootFatty]

Alright guys. As a follow up to my previous thread, Second cycle advice needed

This is going to be my log so I keep my ass in check.

12 weeks Test E 500mg/week
Week 7-12 anavar at 60mg/day
Aromasin on hand
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Pin: Monday AM/Thursday PM

Did my Monday morning pin. Was kinda nervous as my last pin was 1 year ago. Felt relaxed afterwards. I did use the same alcohol swab on the injection site as I did to wipe the test lid (flipped sides) as I forgot to grab two swabs. Lol... it was the nerves! I hope it’s okay.

Anyways, will be keeping calories at a 800-1000 deficit. Will be very strict with diet.

Doing a push/pull routine for 5 days/week.

Starting weight: 236.2 lbs

Goal of the cycle is to drop as much weight, specifically BF, as possible. I know it's mostly attributed to diet, and as I mentioned above, it will be my main priority.

I did have a question, for the var, can I start it now and run it for 5-6 weeks instead of weeks 7-12? Any suggestions?

 

[6FootFatty]

Guys, question, does am/pm really make a difference?

I rather do Monday am and Thursday am as well as it’s easier for me.

 

[Btcowboy]

Guys, question, does am/pm really make a difference?

I rather do Monday am and Thursday am as well as it’s easier for me.

I do am every 3 days

 

[6FootFatty]

I do am every 3 days

Yeah I just did my second pin now. I doubt am/pm makes a difference. Monday Thursday is spread out enough.

Thanks!

 

[Btcowboy]

Yeah I just did my second pin now. I doubt am/pm makes a difference. Monday Thursday is spread out enough.

Thanks!

Honestly usually I do Sun/Thurs always in the morning.... this blast decided yo do every 3 days due to outside commitments and being away... otherwise it is 2x a week

 

[wsmwannabe]

Alright guys. As a follow up to my previous thread, Second cycle advice needed

This is going to be my log so I keep my ass in check.

12 weeks Test E 500mg/week
Week 7-12 anavar at 60mg/day
Aromasin on hand
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Pin: Monday AM/Thursday PM

Did my Monday morning pin. Was kinda nervous as my last pin was 1 year ago. Felt relaxed afterwards. I did use the same alcohol swab on the injection site as I did to wipe the test lid (flipped sides) as I forgot to grab two swabs. Lol... it was the nerves! I hope it’s okay.

Anyways, will be keeping calories at a 800-1000 deficit. Will be very strict with diet.

Doing a push/pull routine for 5 days/week.

Starting weight: 236.2 lbs

Goal of the cycle is to drop as much weight, specifically BF, as possible. I know it's mostly attributed to diet, and as I mentioned above, it will be my main priority.

I did have a question, for the var, can I start it now and run it for 5-6 weeks instead of weeks 7-12? Any suggestions?

This seems like a VERY aggressive deficit. Are you trying to meet a specific timeline? You are likely to shed a bit of muscle at such a deficit, especially if sleep isn't dialed in. Also you could run the var now, but it seems like orals are better towards the end of the cycle when the gains start to plateau.

Guys, question, does am/pm really make a difference?

I rather do Monday am and Thursday am as well as it’s easier for me.

Probably not, but I try to do it that way for the sake of stable blood levels. I also pin Test C EOD when on blast... but that's just me.

 

[MFAAS]

Alright guys. As a follow up to my previous thread, Second cycle advice needed

This is going to be my log so I keep my ass in check.

12 weeks Test E 500mg/week
Week 7-12 anavar at 60mg/day
Aromasin on hand
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Pin: Monday AM/Thursday PM

Did my Monday morning pin. Was kinda nervous as my last pin was 1 year ago. Felt relaxed afterwards. I did use the same alcohol swab on the injection site as I did to wipe the test lid (flipped sides) as I forgot to grab two swabs. Lol... it was the nerves! I hope it’s okay.

Anyways, will be keeping calories at a 800-1000 deficit. Will be very strict with diet.

Doing a push/pull routine for 5 days/week.

Starting weight: 236.2 lbs

Goal of the cycle is to drop as much weight, specifically BF, as possible. I know it's mostly attributed to diet, and as I mentioned above, it will be my main priority.

I did have a question, for the var, can I start it now and run it for 5-6 weeks instead of weeks 7-12? Any suggestions?

I have run anavar for 8 weeks one 3 occasions. No issues on my side, but I am very healthy and have zero organ issues. Drink a ton of water and get your cystatin c checked, it's a pricey lab marker...

Unless you are prepping for a contest, I would say a 500 Calorie deficit avergae would be better. 800-1000 is going to have you very hungry and you will likely plateau/stall out after a you get to a certain point. Your body is going ti fight back, hard.

I would recommend ensuring you have refeed days, I eat around maintenance on sat/sun, then am in a deficit Mon-Fri. See my recent post in "what r u eating" for more info.

Edit" also I pin EOD on cycle. It is just easier for me. Then I can take .25 mg of adex EOD with my test. Just what works best for me.

Edit 2: IMO you are better off finishing with var. It wil help you break through any plateau and preserve more muscle when you sre cutting down to a much lower weight. starting it now would be fine but IMO your final results will be better doing it for the last 4-6 weeks

 

[6FootFatty]

Thank you so much for the replies guys!

Yeah, I'll start var week 7.

I'll also decrease the deficit to around 500. I'm already down 5 lbs before I started the Test, so I thought it would be a good continuation. But like you guys said, I will plateau and it has happened to me before. I don't think I can give myself the luxury of a refeed day, as I'll go overboard. I'll incorporate a cheat meal every Saturday yet staying in the deficit or as close to maintenance as possible.

First two shots of week 1 are complete. So far, everything is going well!

 

[MFAAS]

Thank you so much for the replies guys!

Yeah, I'll start var week 7.

I'll also decrease the deficit to around 500. I'm already down 5 lbs before I started the Test, so I thought it would be a good continuation. But like you guys said, I will plateau and it has happened to me before. I don't think I can give myself the luxury of a refeed day, as I'll go overboard. I'll incorporate a cheat meal every Saturday yet staying in the deficit or as close to maintenance as possible.

First two shots of week 1 are complete. So far, everything is going well!

I think that's wise to decrease the deficit. 5 lbs is a lot to lose already (though obviously weight fluctuations apply. I was 225 on Monday and 218 yesterday, mostly just poop and water).

As far as refeed days. What I do is carefully meal prep for my refeed day. I don't necessarily package everything ahead of time, though I do sometimes, but I go into myfitnesspal and I plan out all my meals so I am within 5-10 calories of each target meal. From there, I just follow the script and I just eat what I told myself to eat and nothing more.

Too many people think a refeed day means you just eat whatever. That is a cheat day and it is a completely different thing. I don't do cheat days, ever. I do refeed days. This simply means planning out your meals to meet your maintenance calorie needs that day instead of your deficit.
- All this means is that instead of just eating a 500 cal deficit every day, you eat a 700 calorie deficit Mon-Fri then you eat at maintenance on Sat/Sun.

This short read had an interesting idea as well and is well in alignment with human reward psychology: An extremely effective diet tip • Stronger by Science

I know the entire community doesn't completely agree, but personally I am in the camp that refeeds are effective ways to preserve muscle mass during a cut. That said, your muscle mass doesn't really truly go away Aka, they will help preserve muscle during a cut. Additionally, they provide a much needed mental break from constant dieting.

Your concern that you will just go overboard on refeed days is not sustainable. You can either do refeed days and figure out ways to not go overboard, or you can just go through your cut, get as lean as you want (hopefully) and then when the cut is over you will likely inevitably go overboard and end up gaining a good portion of the fat back that you just tried so hard to lose.

- Intermittent Energy Restriction Attenuates the Loss of Fat Free Mass in Resistance Trained Individuals. A Randomized Controlled Trial
- Q&A Database: Nutrition and Body Composition • Stronger by Science

Also, read this 20,000 word essay by Eric Trexler on metabolic adaptation. It is super fucking good and well worth reading...at least skim it over and thoroughly consider the summary section at the bottom... The Metabolic Adaptation Manual: Problems, Solutions, & Life After Dieting

Lastly, I personally use very small doses of ephedrine to help reduce appetite. I will take a quarter of a primatene tab, so that's only 3.125 mg of ephedrine. I might take one in the morning before breakfast and then one around meal 3 which is like noon-ish.

Anyway, I'm done rambling now. Hopefully something in here helps.

 

[Logan44551]

Alright guys. As a follow up to my previous thread, Second cycle advice needed

This is going to be my log so I keep my ass in check.

12 weeks Test E 500mg/week
Week 7-12 anavar at 60mg/day
Aromasin on hand
PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Pin: Monday AM/Thursday PM

Did my Monday morning pin. Was kinda nervous as my last pin was 1 year ago. Felt relaxed afterwards. I did use the same alcohol swab on the injection site as I did to wipe the test lid (flipped sides) as I forgot to grab two swabs. Lol... it was the nerves! I hope it’s okay.

Anyways, will be keeping calories at a 800-1000 deficit. Will be very strict with diet.

Doing a push/pull routine for 5 days/week.

Starting weight: 236.2 lbs

Goal of the cycle is to drop as much weight, specifically BF, as possible. I know it's mostly attributed to diet, and as I mentioned above, it will be my main priority.

I did have a question, for the var, can I start it now and run it for 5-6 weeks instead of weeks 7-12? Any suggestions?

Might want to start at a 500 deficit. That way when progress stalls you can cut some more calories, and or add in more cardio

 

[wsmwannabe]

Might want to start at a 500 deficit. That way when progress stalls you can cut some more calories, and or add in more cardio

Two posts prior to yours, he mentioned going to 500 cal deficit instead

 

[6FootFatty]

Strength gains on a cut after first week of Test E 500mg. Mental or not, test is fucking awesome.

 

[6FootFatty]

Week 2 complete.

Weight is up by like 4 lbs... no idea what's going on there lol.

Diet is very strict. Getting my workouts in as well.

Feel good though!

 

[wsmwannabe]

Week 2 complete.

Weight is up by like 4 lbs... no idea what's going on there lol.

Diet is very strict. Getting my workouts in as well.

Feel good though!

That happens to me when I cut too, usually just water weight, and when I start to cut, for about the first week my body fights me a bit. Don't get discouraged, keep pushing

 

[6FootFatty]

Guys I have Aromasin on hand, but not sure what symptoms I should be looking out for before deciding to start.

High estrogen right? My nipples seem fine, they're not sore or itchy.

What I do notice slightly is mood swings. Feel amazing once, feel like shit later on, and so on. Also, my mouth is VERY dry. Signs of low estrogen? If so, what should I be doing, if anything?

 

[6FootFatty]

Day 17 Update:

Up 4 lbs.

Currently at 240.0 (started at 236)

Diet is good. Doing 4-5 workouts a week. Primarily push/pull.

Muscles are definitely more full and "harder". I think I'm also leaning a bit but it's hard to tell as I'm definitely holding on to water. The weight gain doesn't help either. I don't think I dropped one pound since I started 2 weeks ago.

From what I've read, Test E peak levels are usually around weeks 4-5, so I can't wait!

 

[6FootFatty]

Day 21 update:
Weight is still at 240 lbs. Diet is in check. Should I be worried?

I definitely do feel and look leaner.

Although I did start with relatively higher bodyfat, I don’t think I’m experiencing high estrogen sides. I do have aromasin on hand, should I start taking it? Nipples seem fine, but then again, I don’t know what to really look for when it comes to high estrogen.

Muscles feel very full, rock solid. But my mood today isn’t the best.

 

[wsmwannabe]

Weight on the scale isn’t as important as how you look and feel. There are so many other measurables with respect to body composition than just body weight. If you look and feel leaner, I would just keep rolling with it. It could be that you’re just holding extra water and glycogen.

you could do body circumference measurements as well, like arms, waist, legs, chest, etc to track progress.

 

[6FootFatty]

Weight on the scale isn’t as important as how you look and feel. There are so many other measurables with respect to body composition than just body weight. If you look and feel leaner, I would just keep rolling with it. It could be that you’re just holding extra water and glycogen.

you could do body circumference measurements as well, like arms, waist, legs, chest, etc to track progress.

I try my best not to look at the scale, but it's hard!

Any input on the estrogen and me adding aromasin? Shouldn't I be experiencing high estrogen sides as I am relatively higher body fat. Nipples aren't sore, not lethargic, I do get some mood swings here and there, but nothing serious.

 

[wsmwannabe]

I try my best not to look at the scale, but it's hard!

Any input on the estrogen and me adding aromasin? Shouldn't I be experiencing high estrogen sides as I am relatively higher body fat. Nipples aren't sore, not lethargic, I do get some mood swings here and there, but nothing serious.

Water retention is also a side effect of high estrogen and could be what is preventing weight loss. However, without blood tests to know for sure, or side effects to react to, I find it hard to recommend you start taking an AI. Another side I get from higher estrogen is ED.