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What’s the point in running more than 200mgs of test on a cycle?
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400 of test and 400 of tren/nandrolone is going to give better gains than 150 of test. You might get more side effects, but as far as gains, they're going to be better with higher test. I don't see how the gains couldn't be better. Whenever I have used higher test, the gains are always better. Everyone is different though.
Gains as in extra glycogen/water or actual muscle mass? Why is it that test is often needed to be run higher in order to get the best gains? Especially when other compounds can serve as a substitute.
How about you explain to us why you think you’re theory is right, and we’ll tell you how it compares to the reality of things...
edit: it’s not that test needs to be run higher in order to get best gains, it’s the matter that when you have more anabolics the gains are going to be better than with less anabolics so long as diet and training are the same...pretty simple concept brother.
edit again: also estrogen is your friend, not the enemy.
Well I figure that tren/nandrolone is more anabolic than test so what’s the point in running over 200mgs of test when all it will do is present problems related to BP and estrogen.
Why not run say 600-700 mg of Deca with 200 test rather than 300 Deca and 500 test?
Or
200 Tren Ace
150 Test e
which should yield better gains than 700 test solo.
Now you can break my argument down, please.
Well to be fair, neither of these are your original idea, these are all differently planned out cycles, you said in the beginning you think that “
150 Test + 400 tren/nandrolone will provide more gains than
400 test + 400 tren/nandrolone”
what you’ve laid out here in your second post is just 3 totally different cycles compared to a 700mg test cycle... nothing you’re saying makes sense brother...
the 150test 400nand & 400t&400nand, provided that the diet and training is the same for both the one with more anabolics will yeild better gains, in the other cases I repeat you’ve just laid out different cycles that aren’t really even in comparison to your original question...
Jestopherson
Member
Yo bro I'm still waiting to see this sick physique you were raving about
malfeasance
Member
The point of running over 200mg of testosterone is simple. I have learned through experience that it gets me to a bodyweight of over 140 pounds.
Jestopherson
Member
However in regards to your question.
The only thing that appears applicable to your reasoning one be total androgen receptor sites verse active compounds. I do not know the science overly well, I have just seen it discussed that running unnecessary compounds could result in tying up receptors with less anabolic compounds resulting in less gains. So in the instance of 200 test 600 nandrolone or water your first example was. Potentially it could be argued that by running test lower you are leaving more receptors available allowing the nand do be used to a greater extent compared to running so 400 test 400 nand. Where more test would be tying up more receptors.
However how do you determine the number of available receptors you have? How do you determine just how much it takes to tie all of them up? That is then left to speculation.
Also you need to factor in the anabolism of estrogen. If you're shorting yourself and only getting a replacement dose. That's a pathway going to waste that otherwise could've also been utilized.
You're forgetting that one of the best drivers for growth is progressive overload. Increased water retention, nitrogen retention, and lubed joints increase your capacity to move greater weights at greater volume. Resulting in more stimulated growth.
I'm experimenting with 250mg of test a week right now but that's only because I have other anabolics.
The only thing that appears applicable to your reasoning one be total androgen receptor sites verse active compounds. I do not know the science overly well, I have just seen it discussed that running unnecessary compounds could result in tying up receptors with less anabolic compounds resulting in less gains. So in the instance of 200 test 600 nandrolone or water your first example was. Potentially it could be argued that by running test lower you are leaving more receptors available allowing the nand do be used to a greater extent compared to running so 400 test 400 nand. Where more test would be tying up more receptors.
However how do you determine the number of available receptors you have? How do you determine just how much it takes to tie all of them up? That is then left to speculation.
Also you need to factor in the anabolism of estrogen. If you're shorting yourself and only getting a replacement dose. That's a pathway going to waste that otherwise could've also been utilized.
You're forgetting that one of the best drivers for growth is progressive overload. Increased water retention, nitrogen retention, and lubed joints increase your capacity to move greater weights at greater volume. Resulting in more stimulated growth.
I'm experimenting with 250mg of test a week right now but that's only because I have other anabolics.
Test is inexpensive with relatively simple side effects to counter act. It is familiar and available. I think this is why you often see it in heavy dosages instead of moderate Test + (whateverthehell else) cycles.
I personally do prefer a lower Test cycle component and higher amounts of other androgens but it is vastly more expensive and complicated as well. Running 200mg Test E + 800mg Masterone + 200mg Tren/week is a lot different from a management and expense perspective than a simple 500-750mg Test only cycle.
I personally do prefer a lower Test cycle component and higher amounts of other androgens but it is vastly more expensive and complicated as well. Running 200mg Test E + 800mg Masterone + 200mg Tren/week is a lot different from a management and expense perspective than a simple 500-750mg Test only cycle.
RoidRage420
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To
Get
FAWKING
HUGE
BRAH
Try to run 200 test and any significant amount of anything else along with it and see how long it takes you to post crying "y pp no work"
Get
FAWKING
HUGE
BRAH
Try to run 200 test and any significant amount of anything else along with it and see how long it takes you to post crying "y pp no work"
Jestopherson
Member
Just to say. I'm currently running 250 test with 450 npp and 300 mast and the guy seems to be working just fine
RoidRage420
Member
Mast = strong pp. I wouldn't say that's a large amount of npp though lol
FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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the real sick thing is that IT SEEMS you re thinking that BP and other issues belong to test while 450mg tren / 600mg NPP are healthy..
You could manage aromatization rate with inhibitors like exemestane and anastrozole, and bp issues isn’t always related to estrogens. I had low end estro levels and bp was 190/120 ... so, that’s not stupid simple like that..
anyway, you just have to try man... and I can even add that I had great results with 150mg of tren ace, bad night sweats and hardening effect, and strenght and mass...
So, try and bump dosages when you’re sure it’s necessary... and telling if it’s necessary, well, is what separate clueless bber from unclueless ones
700mg of Deca? I guess you have never heard of Deca Dick?
Jestopherson
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First time running it. I know at 250 test I get no estro sides. So figured keep that low and I could more easily pick out prolactin sides.
More test is more anabolic than less test.
Estrogen is anabolic.
More test increases strength allowing you to lift heavier weight with control to break down muscle.
Estrogen is anabolic.
More test increases strength allowing you to lift heavier weight with control to break down muscle.
RoidRage420
Member
To make a statement like that indicates to me that you have never juiced and are going based on what the "book" says. And not listening to the multitude of people trying to help you.
It also indicates a lack of any basic knowledge about gear lol. 200 tren and 150 test will NEVER give you better gains than 700 test. Strength, size, or mass wise. I don't care how much you whine about "TrEn Is MoRe AnAbOliC bRo ThE bOoK sAiD sO". Imo anything less than 350 acetate a week is a waste unless you're tiny or scared of big bad tren.
You need some real world experience. You can say "everyone is different" but nah man we're all basically the same. High test will make EVERYONE huge. Low test low tren = Congrats you're now a 6 foot tall pencil cock. Idgaf how much of a special snowflake you think you might be. You're not going to get more gains taking less hormones lmao. Preposterous.
200 test / 6-700 deca = RIP to your ween lmao. Again. Real world experience tells you this.
If you can't manage your estrogen enough to go over 200 test than you also have no fucking business using steroids. Some trt guys have estro problems on 100mg a week so there goes your theory of 200 being ok. If you're bp is too high on 200 test you're too weak to be alive and again have no business juicing. Get your shit together before you think about it
Higher test will always be better for growth and strength and size other than the fucking girth orals will add to your body and maybe a blast of halo if you're trying to get your lifts up. Nobody grows on 200 test unless you're a child entering puberty
Check out steroid.com and read some of the hormone profiles. He does a good job explaining what I did and is much less of a dick about it. Eg how anabolic androgenic ratings mean sweet fuck all in real life applications
If we juiced according to AA ratings the only thing people would use is oral tren lol. Doesn't even make sense bro
Just because tren AA rating is 5x that of test doesn't make 200mg ten equal to a gram of test lmao
All Nats McGee
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Running higher test all the time is cool if you want a blown out prostate by 50. Haven’t done more then 250mg in years. Probably never will. Higher Estrogen is anabolic but not as much as you think. If you’re here for the long run just keep the test low. You can build plenty of muscle off 250mg test and a little deca or something.
So with a combination of tren mast and test how would you dose for the best growth? Is 150 test 200 tren too low?
It’s always a tie up between guys like you and those that say test is king for optimal growth.
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