Because he cant make a decision and stick to it. Yet.....
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What’s the point in running more than 200mgs of test on a cycle?
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Ridethelightningbarefoot
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You can do what ever you want it depends on your goals and how fast you wanna get there. I have run trt test a couple of times. When I first started i started 300mg sust a week which is close to trt. The second time I ran it with boldenone and felt like shit. Hell some people use nandrolone as the base and have success. There are a couple things tho. Dht conversion from test increases strength through enhancing the various parts of the nervous system. Estrogen is good for you in many ways so besides dbol and nandrolone there really isnt anything that aromatizes to estrogen well enough to compensate.
Regular Joe
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No idea, some girl on Reddit. They have tons of amateur/girl next door types on there that just want like compliments
What you think about you bring about. Some big titties in your future perhaps? Lol.
Why do all your threads start with “what is the point”... why test? Why dnp?
There’s a reason test has remained a staple; it’s cheap, we understand it, sides are minimal and very manageable, and it provides more than just muscle building. Every few years these theories about EQ base cycles or Deca only cycles or whatever new shit somebody rehashes and calls themselves a pioneer pop up. Every once and a while someone creates a decent physique on TRT test and mostly purely anabolic compounds. Do you think it’s the drugs, or that person in particular?
The fact that you think you should run low T for muh sides but mention trenbolone first is a serious problem.
There’s a reason test has remained a staple; it’s cheap, we understand it, sides are minimal and very manageable, and it provides more than just muscle building. Every few years these theories about EQ base cycles or Deca only cycles or whatever new shit somebody rehashes and calls themselves a pioneer pop up. Every once and a while someone creates a decent physique on TRT test and mostly purely anabolic compounds. Do you think it’s the drugs, or that person in particular?
The fact that you think you should run low T for muh sides but mention trenbolone first is a serious problem.
Test_Subject
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I don’t get it. People are always trying to reinvent the wheel.
It’s a lot more productive to just admit that the wheel is a pretty awesome invention and go with it. Test works and the sides are very easy to manage unless your parents played a lot of full-contact, helmetless football with you as a toddler.
To be fair
I'm pretty much retarded and I still think Test is the king of compounds.
IMHO best for strength.... size....
Fat loss is diet related.
Why are we here if not to gain size and strength?
AlwaysHungry
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Try go low calories on high testosterone and then drop the test or lower it.
Im sure you'll change your mind about fat loss..
Testo with low calories is like tren the only difference is you cant notice due to water retention.
I do most of my cut on testo nandro. And when I drop the test or change it with other product. Im always amazed by how much fat I've burned.
FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR
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fat loss over 13% BF is diet related, sounds more realistic and professional.
i remember with shivers and goosebumps the bad old times as a natty tryna “shredding” ... guerrilla cardio, caffeine pre cardio, etc.. it was awful.. when i started eating something more, i got fat... if a reduced kcals, i lost muscle but fat was always there.. thats the hard life of unlucky natty people... i had high estrogens and you could do what you want , you wont shred.. at least thats my experience and of people I know...
Exactly
Actually in my opinion if one could run same massive amount of tren like with Test, the first one would create a better physique.
Tren is king for everything thing, shredding, gaining etc. Problem is it's fucking bad for health compared to test and it's expensive compare to test and it has lots of sides.
I still prefer 250 test and 600 tren because I feel is super easy to manage my E2 with that level of Test compared to 500 or 1G but you will grow more on 500 test 600 tren of course, or more on 1g test and 600 tren, the best would be 1+ g Tren 250 Test but well.... Good luck with that ahahah
I'm very sensitive to E2 and more times pass and I'm finding I need more arimidex then before... This is really strange but at the moment that's how it is for me.
If I didn't need so much arimidex for even 250mg of test I would definetly go for massive amount of Test.
High test is great, Never felt better
Tren is king for everything thing, shredding, gaining etc. Problem is it's fucking bad for health compared to test and it's expensive compare to test and it has lots of sides.
I still prefer 250 test and 600 tren because I feel is super easy to manage my E2 with that level of Test compared to 500 or 1G but you will grow more on 500 test 600 tren of course, or more on 1g test and 600 tren, the best would be 1+ g Tren 250 Test but well.... Good luck with that ahahah
I'm very sensitive to E2 and more times pass and I'm finding I need more arimidex then before... This is really strange but at the moment that's how it is for me.
If I didn't need so much arimidex for even 250mg of test I would definetly go for massive amount of Test.
High test is great, Never felt better
A lot of people I know who have put on a lot of size would generally disagree with your statement in tren being best for everything. This halo around tren needs to be dampened.
To play devil's advocate a bit, there is an argument to be made for compounds other than test creating much more strength. And many compounds are far more favorable in a sports enhancement context.
And when it comes to anabolism vs androgenicity, there are compounds that yield comparable anabolism without the androgenic effects of test. After all, DHT is not anabolic. People who are concerned with hair loss, virilization, or prostate enlargement have a legit reason to run compounds other than test, with a trt test base. But you can also run a hair safe test only cycle by simply adding finasteride. However, left ventricular hypertrophy seems more severe with high test dosages than a trt base with DHT derivatives. Basically, test isn't the least bit "selective", and ends up hypertrophying organ tissue easier than DHT derivatives.
But it really does seem like so many people overstate tren's capabilities. You guys remember the massive anavar blasting protocols that were popular a few years ago? The idea was that anavar would yield comparable effects to tren, when ran at large enough dosages, except anavar supposedly yielded even greater strength gains. I'm not trying to claim that's the case, but tren isn't the outright holy grail for everything. And it honestly does seem like test, EQ, and nandrolone are better for sheer size than tren. Alot of people claim that anadrol and dianabol are both better too.
And when it comes to anabolism vs androgenicity, there are compounds that yield comparable anabolism without the androgenic effects of test. After all, DHT is not anabolic. People who are concerned with hair loss, virilization, or prostate enlargement have a legit reason to run compounds other than test, with a trt test base. But you can also run a hair safe test only cycle by simply adding finasteride. However, left ventricular hypertrophy seems more severe with high test dosages than a trt base with DHT derivatives. Basically, test isn't the least bit "selective", and ends up hypertrophying organ tissue easier than DHT derivatives.
But it really does seem like so many people overstate tren's capabilities. You guys remember the massive anavar blasting protocols that were popular a few years ago? The idea was that anavar would yield comparable effects to tren, when ran at large enough dosages, except anavar supposedly yielded even greater strength gains. I'm not trying to claim that's the case, but tren isn't the outright holy grail for everything. And it honestly does seem like test, EQ, and nandrolone are better for sheer size than tren. Alot of people claim that anadrol and dianabol are both better too.
What was your “high” and “low” test dose? Also, is there any difference cutting on 200mgs of test vs 500?Try go low calories on high testosterone and then drop the test or lower it.
Im sure you'll change your mind about fat loss..
Testo with low calories is like tren the only difference is you cant notice due to water retention.
I do most of my cut on testo nandro. And when I drop the test or change it with other product. Im always amazed by how much fat I've burned.
Probably those ppl are true, I'm just reporting from my own limited experience, I have always looked the best on Tren.
Biggest and most shredded was always on tren.
I'll try higher dose of test maybe this autumn and see how it goes.
for best size and feeling anadrol is unbeatable imho, but I don't do orals anymore so I never think about it
Sure
In certain sports high Test may be counterproductive, especially in a sport with weight classes (Excluding Powerlifting of course... that's a different ballgame)
Something like MMA, you could go all John Jones and blast sky hugh with Tbol for better explosive strength.
Winny for some track and field sports like Ben Johnson.
I wont say other stacks arent effective as well, that's not the case... I just ran a Cruise dose test blast with Deca and Mast both higher than Test, felt great and made some decent gains. (Var finisher that gave me a nice PR or two)
But Test always just seems to be the compound that makes me fucking explode in terms of size and strength, so long as it's at 500mg minimal.
But as you so well stated, goals are very different for everyone
For me, I've played around enough the last few years, with every compound I could get my grubby mitts on (Lower doses, i dint blast very high dose)
It just seems like i grow... lift and feel my best on good old fashioned Test
For a newb starting 450 test - no gear previously - besides routine blood work, 1) what subjective markers are you looking at? 2) Are you pinning every day to keep levels somewhat stable? Thanks, bro
EazyE
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Agreed. I think the best sheer size/growth compounds are:
Test
Nandrolone
Anadrol
Dbol
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