Brew comes out looking like gel...?

[Kamon]

hey all!

so im the guy whos brew is giving mad infections for those of you who have seen it in the PPL and other threads,

now im coming to you bearing a question, i apologize if i dont embed the link or attachments correctly but here goes...

i got
35g test e
35g primo e
mig840 as my carrier



i did this exactly and got insane pip in my legs, which led to my legs and ass getting fully infected.
( i call this an infection cause my medic i go to said an allergic reaction looks significantly different and wouldn't carry on as this had, and a bad pin would just leave a lump).. he gave me antibiotics and it cleared up a bit later

i cooked the mixture 2 seperate times for 1 hour each @ 185c oil temp thinking it would satisfy the burning out of what i suspected was the carbolic acid giving me PIP... pinned and another infection was had

I pinned the carrier/ba/bb without hormones into my delt, no bad times were had.

i went and diluted the mixture with another 15ml of my carrier and things were fine on my first shot sorta fresh after a .22 syringe filter, 2 days later i did another shot and BAM, crippling pip/infection once again

i had gone to GPZ to get myself another .22 bottle top filter but noticed this... ( i think instead of hyperlinks i insert by code...? sorry and i'll edit accordingly)
https://imgur.com/a/FqX3Pdc

my brew comes out for the most part fine but i look to the bottom of it and the last 5-10% looks like hair gel... im torn now and confused as to which road to take from here,

any help or advice would be madly apprecaited, thanks guys!

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Looks like syrup. i'm no homebrewer, but i wonder if one of those compounds isn't what it's supposed to be?

Edit: @JetsFan has been doing this for awhile. Maybe he can shed some light on what the hell we're looking at here?

 

[lifter6973]

Do you normally use mig840? It is a great solvent but it gives a lot of people (myself included) really bad PIP that lasts longer than a week.
On brewing, I have no fucking clue, just thought I would ask you about using mig840 previously.

 

[Kamon]

Do you normally use mig840? It is a great solvent but it gives a lot of people (myself included) really bad PIP that lasts longer than a week.
On brewing, I have no fucking clue, just thought I would ask you about using mig840 previously.

love mig, ive used it before in another simple deca brew a while back, i have no bad reactions to it.. just heard its super smooth and very thin, both appealed to me and the price difference between it and GSO (imo) isn't a big deal.

 

[Kamon]

Do you normally use mig840? It is a great solvent but it gives a lot of people (myself included) really bad PIP that lasts longer than a week.
On brewing, I have no fucking clue, just thought I would ask you about using mig840 previously.

forgot to answer this, mb about double post... but yeah... i'm not sure either,

i did an anecdotal sweep of both compounds before i brewed it, even if one of the compounds isn't what it says it is, i've run a lot of stuff (excluding tren) and the syrupy texture is concerning.. maybe something hasn't bonded is the best i can figure, or theres something else in there that the hormones have been cut with...?

I'm just speculating but i'm hoping someone with a much bigger brain can weigh in

@OllieJacobs

im thinking perhaps a reason that its like... jelly... thats whats causing the infection.. too much of that being pinned? maybe thats why my shot in my arm right after filtering.. like seconds after filtering.. thats why it didnt hurt?

 

[Kamon]

update:

i got a response from @OllieJacobs over wickr,

he's attempting to take care of me.. the last batch was "bad" and was a delta-6 variant of test....(?) which isnt being used in this batch.. allegedly it causes adverse reactions in people sometimes. it does make sense then why the test couldnt be cooked out of the pain index i was getting

it doesn't explain why the brew came out looking like hair gel or syrup.. and he assures me that the clinic and my medic is wrong... but we'll see where this goes

@janoshik have you ever seen or heard of this?

 

[Skarpyona]

You overcooked your shit. 185c is pants on head retarded heat to use. Tren starts degrading at 150-170 FARENTHEIT. You're using temps in celcius that are far too hot.
You only want to use heat to accelerate the process of dissolving your hormones in BB, I never personally exceed 55c.

What kind of filter did you use? The last guy who ran a PES filter had some kind of similar end result.

And throw that mig into the garbage and get some GSO or high quality MCT.

 

[Skarpyona]

I clicked on your link and lol lo-and-behold, you have a PES filter. You have an allergic reaction because your leg is full of filter membrane. Congratulations, you played yourself.

 

[Skarpyona]

I'm willing to bet your hormones were fine, you just Royally fucked up.

 

[Jet Labs]

Not sure how I missed being tagged here, but here's what I see wrong/suggest.

First off go with test-cyp for now on as test-e is hit or miss when it comes to crippling pain.

Next mig840 is reported to cause extreme pip for some so add that with bad test-e and you have a horrible product.

Lastly I see that you are using PES filters for filtering, well BA/BB AND mig840 dissolve PES filters so switch to NYLON, PTFE OR BEST IS PVDF. PES filters are for water solutions with no solvents.

As to why the pre filtered solution is a syrup I have no clue, but I suggest switching to a high quality MCT oil.

 

[Jet Labs]

Looks like syrup. i'm no homebrewer, but i wonder if one of those compounds isn't what it's supposed to be?

Edit: @JetsFan has been doing this for awhile. Maybe he can shed some light on what the hell we're looking at here?

Somehow I missed the tag.

 

[Cumminstech]

I clicked on your link and lol lo-and-behold, you have a PES filter. You have an allergic reaction because your leg is full of filter membrane. Congratulations, you played yourself.

Second this

 

[Kamon]

I'm willing to bet your hormones were fine, you just Royally fucked up.

mine was a PES .22 filter unit

and tren has one of the lower degradation heats does it not?
I was following the train of thought of carbolic acid being in the test, which evaporates at very high temps

i appreciate you think i messed it up, the first time running it through was VERY tame, very low heat and used a PVDF .45 .. but came out with the most amount of gel formation and by far the WORST infection of the 4-5 shots i did

same setup as every other homebrew ive ever done

Not sure how I missed being tagged here, but here's what I see wrong/suggest.

First off go with test-cyp for now on as test-e is hit or miss when it comes to crippling pain.

Next mig840 is reported to cause extreme pip for some so add that with bad test-e and you have a horrible product.

Lastly I see that you are using PES filters for filtering, well BA/BB AND mig840 dissolve PES filters so switch to NYLON, PTFE OR BEST IS PVDF. PES filters are for water solutions with no solvents.

As to why the pre filtered solution is a syrup I have no clue, but I suggest switching to a high quality MCT oil.

that solution on top of the filter was the post filtering first brew of low heat through a PVDF,

i'll try some GSO or MCT but again - this is the EXACT setup i've used in my last few brews of test/eq and test/deca

 

[Skarpyona]

mine was a PES .22 filter unit

and tren has one of the lower degradation heats does it not?
I was following the train of thought of carbolic acid being in the test, which evaporates at very high temps

i appreciate you think i messed it up, the first time running it through was VERY tame, very low heat and used a PVDF .45 .. but came out with the most amount of gel formation and by far the WORST infection of the 4-5 shots i did

same setup as every other homebrew ive ever done



that solution on top of the filter was the post filtering first brew of low heat through a PVDF,

i'll try some GSO or MCT but again - this is the EXACT setup i've used in my last few brews of test/eq and test/deca

When you brew, heat is not your friend. You do not need any heat. Full stop. It speeds up the process simply. Tren having a low degradation point does not change the fact you applied significantly too much heat for far too long.

PVDF is a much better filter material, however .45 is not an adequate pore size. Please find a .2um or .22um filter.

Just because you did not have an adverse reaction previously does not mean you are doing things correctly. Your health merits doing things properly. As you can obviously tell, it can go sideways very very fast.

@JetsFan brings up a valid point, test e is hit or miss, especially panda as of late. Stick with cypionate in the future to be safe.

 

[Jet Labs]

mine was a PES .22 filter unit

and tren has one of the lower degradation heats does it not?
I was following the train of thought of carbolic acid being in the test, which evaporates at very high temps

i appreciate you think i messed it up, the first time running it through was VERY tame, very low heat and used a PVDF .45 .. but came out with the most amount of gel formation and by far the WORST infection of the 4-5 shots i did

same setup as every other homebrew ive ever done



that solution on top of the filter was the post filtering first brew of low heat through a PVDF,

i'll try some GSO or MCT but again - this is the EXACT setup i've used in my last few brews of test/eq and test/deca

Scrap it all and start over with cypionate and proper filter and a different carrier oil.

If panda doesn't reship you freah raws I'll help boycott them

 

[Skarpyona]

APOLOGY



I need to apologize to everyone, i had some personal problems that got out of my hand and basically i had a reality check on how fragile live can be and that I should be more with my beloved ones because they can stop existing anytime.



I have not been answering here on the forum, and only to some Wickr or Protonmail messages since two days after my last post, that’s my fault.



On the other hand im not a piece that’s needed for the company to work and as usual everyone has been able to place their order trough the website or Melody, i just want to make clear that if im absent the company is still working even if im not.



Now everything is clear and i can keep up posting without issues, if i disappear from time to time (which if im lucky won’t happen in a long time) i just want to let everyone know that i have a beloved person in a relatively bad health situation and i need to take constant care of her, if someone here is a parent they will understand how hard it can be to take care of someone.



IMPORTANT STUFF



-All orders placed trough me are on the way (packaged and everything) since the moment you get your order #, then you just sit back and relax, so 0% delays from my part.
-We changed our shipping method to US, nothing changes for the customers (you still have a reshipper and 0 customs risks) but we had to make some changes and that’s why some people may have experienced some delays that are sorted our right now.
-People can always ask for the order updates to Melody trough the CS email, be patient with her, she has a lot of messages and sometimes she does not get back to you until she has an answer to your question.

-Just returned home, i will answer everything as fast as i can, but i want to rest a bit too, so don’t take my slow replies as a lack of willingness to answer or anything.



GOOD NEWS



-Our new shipper allows us more and quicker shipping options, in general packages will arrive faster.

-Orders will arrive WAY faster for European customers.

-While i was in the hospital this past week i took a look at the VAT laws with our shipper, European customers are covered from now on.



PROMOS AND SUMMER SALE



-To everyone that placed the order trough the website or Melody since my last post, email me your order # at Ollieppl(at)protonmail.com or to my Wickr: ollieppl and you will get the biggest discount that i can give for your next order.

-SUMMER SALE: im raising my usual discounts for a summer sale, send a message to Ollieppl(at)protonmail.com or to my Wickr: ollieppl to place the orders with the discount.



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Hey Ollie, I think you replied to the wrong thread haha

 

[OllieJacobs]

update:

i got a response from @OllieJacobs over wickr,

he's attempting to take care of me.. the last batch was "bad" and was a delta-6 variant of test....(?) which isnt being used in this batch.. allegedly it causes adverse reactions in people sometimes. it does make sense then why the test couldnt be cooked out of the pain index i was getting

it doesn't explain why the brew came out looking like hair gel or syrup.. and he assures me that the clinic and my medic is wrong... but we'll see where this goes

@janoshik have you ever seen or heard of this?

The first part of my answer was thanks to a @janoshik test, also you didn’t tell me about that you cooked it, that changes things.

Also what i told you is that you can’t have a bacteriological infection related to the raws itself, it can be done by bad brewing and sterility measures.

 

[Jet Labs]

APOLOGY



I need to apologize to everyone, i had some personal problems that got out of my hand and basically i had a reality check on how fragile live can be and that I should be more with my beloved ones because they can stop existing anytime.



I have not been answering here on the forum, and only to some Wickr or Protonmail messages since two days after my last post, that’s my fault.



On the other hand im not a piece that’s needed for the company to work and as usual everyone has been able to place their order trough the website or Melody, i just want to make clear that if im absent the company is still working even if im not.



Now everything is clear and i can keep up posting without issues, if i disappear from time to time (which if im lucky won’t happen in a long time) i just want to let everyone know that i have a beloved person in a relatively bad health situation and i need to take constant care of her, if someone here is a parent they will understand how hard it can be to take care of someone.



IMPORTANT STUFF



-All orders placed trough me are on the way (packaged and everything) since the moment you get your order #, then you just sit back and relax, so 0% delays from my part.
-We changed our shipping method to US, nothing changes for the customers (you still have a reshipper and 0 customs risks) but we had to make some changes and that’s why some people may have experienced some delays that are sorted our right now.
-People can always ask for the order updates to Melody trough the CS email, be patient with her, she has a lot of messages and sometimes she does not get back to you until she has an answer to your question.

-Just returned home, i will answer everything as fast as i can, but i want to rest a bit too, so don’t take my slow replies as a lack of willingness to answer or anything.



GOOD NEWS



-Our new shipper allows us more and quicker shipping options, in general packages will arrive faster.

-Orders will arrive WAY faster for European customers.

-While i was in the hospital this past week i took a look at the VAT laws with our shipper, European customers are covered from now on.



PROMOS AND SUMMER SALE



-To everyone that placed the order trough the website or Melody since my last post, email me your order # at Ollieppl(at)protonmail.com or to my Wickr: ollieppl and you will get the biggest discount that i can give for your next order.

-SUMMER SALE: im raising my usual discounts for a summer sale, send a message to Ollieppl(at)protonmail.com or to my Wickr: ollieppl to place the orders with the discount.



ORDER FORMAT



From now on to speed up things send me the following:

Product list:

Payment method:

And for the address:

First name (or fake alias):
Last name:
Address:
City:
State:
Country:
Zip code:

Welcome back, now get to work fixing everyone's PPL issues!

 

[OllieJacobs]

Hey Ollie, I think you replied to the wrong thread haha

Fuck man, let me delete this, sorry first time i stepped home in a long time.

 

[Kamon]

When you brew, heat is not your friend. You do not need any heat. Full stop. It speeds up the process simply. Tren having a low degradation point does not change the fact you applied significantly too much heat for far too long.

PVDF is a much better filter material, however .45 is not an adequate pore size. Please find a .2um or .22um filter.

Just because you did not have an adverse reaction previously does not mean you are doing things correctly. Your health merits doing things properly. As you can obviously tell, it can go sideways very very fast.

@JetsFan brings up a valid point, test e is hit or miss, especially panda as of late. Stick with cypionate in the future to be safe.

word, can do.
i'll keep the heat significantly lower and prioritize my stirrer to do its job more

legitimately i didn't use high heat until i tried to "fix" my brew and save it.. whatever happened on the first go around is still kinda lost on me tbh though.. it was easily the worst shots of the entire situation. the only thing i truly didnt follow out of the advice here was that it was a .45 filter and mig.. and again.. it was the WORST out of any of the shots

same with the PVDF/PES.. will grab one

might keep the mig.. might switch to GSO.. i bought an assload of MIG so i might at least try a 5ml batch and see before i order GSO

switching to test c... @OllieJacobs has helped me out greatly and has been responsive.. maybe this'll save another dude a bad time