Para pharma or dragon pharma? Your experience?

[MisterSuperGod]

No this is good!

So Balkan had a bad result. How can we be sure this test was on a legit Balkan product and not one of the fakes if it is so frequently faked?

Ive heard of the brand alpha pharma. I believe it’s from India correct?

Is there actual pharma grade producers out there that do things like test ethanate then?

Im looking at genesis meds now and SP labs. I’ll do some more reading but any personal experiences people can add here would be awesome.

SP is Balkans back door label.

 

[Hughinn]

Hi. Long time reader here. I just want to hit up some of the knowledgeable folk on this forum to help with a decision I am working through.

Ive been through four cycles now using the same brand. I do believe I’m allergic to the EO they put in their products. I continue to use the same brand until I finish my stash.

I have been doing a lot of reading and am happy with the new source I have picked. I am trying to decide to go with para pharma or dragon pharma.

What’s your experiences with these labs/brands?

Sorry if this is in the wrong section or somehow inappropriate.

Thanks in advance.

Dragon pharma is decent gear. It's legit, and dosed good.

But, it comes from overseas Chinese labs.

Just my personal preference makes them a lower choice when better domestic options are available.

 

[Hughinn]

SP is Balkans back door label.

Sp and balkan are made in the same labs.

I've used both, and absent a domestic source, I always go for balkan or sp

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Sp and balkan are made in the same labs.

I've used both, and absent a domestic source, I always go for balkan or sp

i know. By back door label i was alluding to my previous post about Balkan having a label that's sole purpose is to be sold on the black market.

 

[Olofmeister]

Dragon pharma = Para pharma = Valkyrie pharma
Same Chinese manufacturer

 

[spongebob10]

Balkan and SP sound good. Where is Balkan based then? Sounds like they are close to a pharma grade operation?

Pcomm seems to be the closest there is to a pharma grade ugl unfortunately.

Also good to know dragon and para are from the same manufacturer. Makes sense that the source I was looking at before stocks both brands. Given what I’ve read and the feel I get from this thread I’ll probably steer clear.

Ive been reading mixed reviews on genesis meds though. I’ll keep working on it.

 

[Olofmeister]

Balkan from Moldavia
Pcom good but overpriced, problem with stock on warehouse 1 and the customer service is shit.

 

[spongebob10]

Yeah I don’t mind paying a bit more for confidence. Just allergic to their EO otherwise I’d keep using them.

Ideally I want to find something similar to pcomm just without the EO.

 

[SkankHunt]

Yeah I don’t mind paying a bit more for confidence. Just allergic to their EO otherwise I’d keep using them.

Ideally I want to find something similar to pcomm just without the EO.

If you want pcomm just go Pharma, it’s cheaper. Can get 10 amps of Sustanon for cheaper than a vial of sus from pcmon. Probably get it faster too as they still don’t know how to stealth items.

 

[spongebob10]

Forgive my ignorance. What you mean by go ‘pharma’?

Do you mean try and get it prescribed legitimately? Or are you referring to a particular source or brand? Something like balkan?

Have we got a like of pharma grade labs somewhere or is it just common knowledge?

Sorry still a noob.

 

[Supremo44]

Forgive my ignorance. What you mean by go ‘pharma’?

Do you mean try and get it prescribed legitimately? Or are you referring to a particular source or brand? Something like balkan?

Have we got a like of pharma grade labs somewhere or is it just common knowledge?

Sorry still a noob.

Some source sell pharma products like you could get from the pharmacy, thats what he means

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Sp and balkan are made in the same labs.

I've used both, and absent a domestic source, I always go for balkan or sp

What do you think of Ice Pharma that Ashop and the Ashop clones sell?

One of the clones said that Ice uses peach oil as a carrier. SP does as well. Not sure about Balkan. i wonder if they just copied them or if Ice is yet another back door label from Balkan?

 

[Hughinn]

What do you think of Ice Pharma that Ashop and the Ashop clones sell?

One of the clones said that Ice uses peach oil as a carrier. SP does as well. Not sure about Balkan. i wonder if they just copied them or if Ice is yet another back door label from Balkan?

Both balkan and sp labs claim to make thier products in the same facilities, on the same machines. Sort of like miller/coors is made in the same plant by the same people. Only different branding. I'm not sure if the raws and oils are the same or not. But I've found I can't tell the difference between them.

I had some ice pharma test and npp a couple of years ago and have no complaints. The test propinate I got a little more pip than balkan but otherwise did it's job.

My understanding is that ice is a different manufacturer altogether. Possibly a larger commercial UGL, but I'm not entirely sure of that. They do seem to have numerous sources selling thier products. I do know Alpha pharma and Odin pharmaceuticals are both technically just larger scale UGL's and both have a pretty loyal following, just like ICE. I'd probably bet on all of them to make good gear if you get thier products and not fakes.

In my experience, having a reputable source, is more important than the brand of gear.

The only bad experience I had was beligas. Terrible pip and swelling. But, my brother used it from the same order and batch and had no problems. So it wasn't the gear, and I still use that source today, I just stay away from beligas.

 

[valdosta]

Might be late to this but I got sold fake dragon pharma shit trying to start my first cycle. My next move was to find a better source and I used that bullshit eroids site and wound up using ugfreak and getting that para pharma garbage. The para pharma stuff was the worst. Tried test and dbol. The test had such bad pip I couldn't sit. It hurt getting in and out of my car for nearly 3 weeks. I had a giant swollen feverish discolored lump on my ass. I injected my ass first, figured i may have messed up and tried my delt 3 days later. My delt then got a golf ball sized purple lump for 2 weeks and became feverish. arm turned slightly purple periodically. Quit injecting that bs but continued taking the "dianabol" at 100mg a day to see if anything would happen. No water retention or anything after 3 weeks so I trashed it all. The fake dragon shit didn't hurt or anything but damn. avoid that para pharma shit. My reaction to the "gear" had me wanting to go to the doctor but I hate doctors so I didn't

 

[valdosta]

Might be late to this but I got sold fake dragon pharma shit trying to start my first cycle. My next move was to find a better source and I used that bullshit eroids site and wound up using ugfreak and getting that para pharma garbage. The para pharma stuff was the worst. Tried test and dbol. The test had such bad pip I couldn't sit. It hurt getting in and out of my car for nearly 3 weeks. I had a giant swollen feverish discolored lump on my ass. I injected my ass first, figured i may have messed up and tried my delt 3 da
ys later. My delt then got a golf ball sized purple lump for 2 weeks and became feverish. arm turned slightly purple periodically. Quit injecting that bs but continued taking the "dianabol" at 100mg a day to see if anything would happen. No water retention or anything after 3 weeks so I trashed it all. The fake dragon shit didn't hurt or anything but damn. avoid that para pharma shit. My reaction to the "gear" had me wanting to go to the doctor but I hate doctors so I didn't

*The ass lump was about size of an orange.
This was close to 2 months ago. After that I realized I really needed to do better research on sources and found this place. Started my first cycle with trip's stuff 4 days ago

 

[spongebob10]

Some source sell pharma products like you could get from the pharmacy, thats what he means

Thanks! My question then is how can you tell what is a pharma product and what isn’t? I doubt there is a list floating about and I equally doubt you could find all brand names listed at chemists.

*The ass lump was about size of an orange.
This was close to 2 months ago. After that I realized I really needed to do better research on sources and found this place. Started my first cycle with trip's stuff 4 days ago

trip = triplebsolutions?

 

[Supremo44]

Thanks! My question then is how can you tell what is a pharma product and what isn’t? I doubt there is a list floating about and I equally doubt you could find all brand names listed at chemists.




trip = triplebsolutions?

Bro ask squidward or mr krabs

 

[spongebob10]

Does that mean there’s no easy way to tell then?

Even if you see a concensus on a forum how can you be sure it is a pharma brand?

 

[Isosceles Gangster]

you mean like abdi Ibrahim and Bayer, like actual pharma products?

 

[spongebob10]

Yeah exactly. And that makes my point. I’ve never heard of abdi yet I’ve read here on this forum that it is a pharma product.

Short of googling every brand I see listed on a source website and hoping that some chemist somewhere has listed it online, how would you know otherwise?