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[Tatersalad]

I’ve never run prop, I’ve only run cyp with NPP, and never had any issues.

350/wk NPP is a pretty good dose. The ester weight of NPP and deca are very close, so if you do well with 350 deca/wk then you should be just fine at 350 NPP per week.

I think you get 67mg nand/100mg NPP and 64mg nand/100 mg ND

Yessir I am pretty sure you are correct on the npp 67/100. I have heard that several times. 150 eod would be my absolute limit

 

[wsmwannabe]

Yessir I am pretty sure you are correct on the npp 67/100. I have heard that several times. 150 eod would be my absolute limit

How much deca did you use previously?

 

[Tatersalad]

How much deca did you use previously?

400/week. Had bloating but brother I have learned a ton on here about diet since then. Deca was my 2nd cycle. I was very green

 

[wsmwannabe]

400/week. Had bloating but brother I have learned a ton on here about diet since then. Deca was my 2nd cycle. I was very green

I think 350 is going to be a great place to start. You should reach full blood concentration in about 8 days if memory serves me correctly, so it’ll hit a lot faster than deca.

I can’t really answer your questions about tprop but everything o have read about it, you should be good at 350-400/wk on that as well.

I personally like to pin ED with short esters to mitigate sides and aromatization, but plenty of people do fine on EOD

 

[Tatersalad]

I think 350 is going to be a great place to start. You should reach full blood concentration in about 8 days if memory serves me correctly, so it’ll hit a lot faster than deca.

I can’t really answer your questions about tprop but everything o have read about it, you should be good at 350-400/wk on that as well.

I personally like to pin ED with short esters to mitigate sides and aromatization, but plenty of people do fine on EOD

Yeah I pinned tren ace daily for a grueling 8 weeks.

 

[wsmwannabe]

Yeah I pinned tren ace daily for a grueling 8 weeks.

Brother, I feel that. I pinned NPP for 8 weeks daily and now I’m on week 2 of tren ace and still have 6 more weeks to go (my total cycle is about 16.5 weeks pinning ED). I use strictly insulin pins though so that helps a lot, except it works against me running a lot of oil and I have to pin two syringes EOD and 1 syringe on the days between.

my bullshit problems aside, it sounds like you have a solid cycle planned.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

My next cycle will consist of test prop and npp. Personally I was just going to use 100mg eod of each.
Two questions.
1. Dosage sound adequate?
2. Read that test prop was best to run with npp because levels spike in similar timeframe. Do you agree?

I gonna eat right and sweat plenty in gym, that's a given.

That's my favorite cycle at my favorite dosages. You'll love it!

 

[bigpoppachump2]

My next cycle will consist of test prop and npp. Personally I was just going to use 100mg eod of each.
Two questions.
1. Dosage sound adequate?
2. Read that test prop was best to run with npp because levels spike in similar timeframe. Do you agree?

I gonna eat right and sweat plenty in gym, that's a given.

If you're just a recreation lifter and anabolics user who just wants to be strong and look great with no aspirations of competing then this is the ideal cycle I recommend to guys in our shoes for gains vs side effects vs cost.


A lot of guys would say primo and prop is better but if you're cost conscious and know how to keep e2 in check than this is the one

 

[Tatersalad]

If you're just a recreation lifter and anabolics user who just wants to be strong and look great with no aspirations of competing then this is the ideal cycle I recommend to guys in our shoes for gains vs side effects vs cost.


A lot of guys would say primo and prop is better but if you're cost conscious and know how to keep e2 in check than this is the one

Yeah primo little steep for me. I just a welder that loves strength and weightlifting. I'm excited about this cycle, no fear involved. On tren cycle I just kept waiting for some serious side to pop up. I'm comfortable with this one.

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Yeah primo little steep for me. I just a welder that loves strength and weightlifting. I'm excited about this cycle, no fear involved. On tren cycle I just kept waiting for some serious side to pop up. I'm comfortable with this one.

For me I get just as much gains and visual benefit from this cycle if not more than I did from tren MG for MG. I think it had to do with the better sleep and appetite but definitely got more from NPP and Prop than I did from tren ace and prop.

 

[Tatersalad]

For me I get just as much gains and visual benefit from this cycle if not more than I did from tren MG for MG. I think it had to do with the better sleep and appetite but definitely got more from NPP and Prop than I did from tren ace and prop.

Man I hope so. I made awesome gains on tren but honestly when I ran deca about week 8 my strength went through the roof and would love to see that right out of the gate so I definitely believe you are speaking 100% truth

 

[bigpoppachump2]

Man I hope so. I made awesome gains on tren but honestly when I ran deca about week 8 my strength went through the roof and would love to see that right out of the gate so I definitely believe you are speaking 100% truth

Usually by day 5 I notice my strength starts steadily ramping up until about week 4 and the I just fill out from there on out and solidify the strength gains. Could maybe get more strength gains if I tried but I'm usually shooting for size and musculature over strength. The strength is just a bonus for me

 

[Tatersalad]

Yeah I have a cycle amount of dbol or drop that I can add mid or late cycle if needed. I'm just going to wait and wing that part. I have enough npp to run 2 10 week cycles or 1 16-18 week cycle. Make that decision towards end of first 10 weeks.

 

[MrGTO]

Kinda digging this post up but how did it go on this cycle?

I am planning my next run and was seriously considering test & npp with mast in as well.

I am running test e, mast e, & tren a now. I pin e3d with the test & mast and ed with tren. I prefer this schedule to keep my injection amounts down.

The question i have is what are the different reasons to use a short vs long ester on the test/mast? Does it really matter or is it personal preference?

 

[Looking4gainzz]

Starting new cycle 16 week 600 Test E 400mg Npp how do you guys like Npp im doing maintenance calories at 3000 maybe some recomp more cardio.

It has become my favorite compound maybe even over test! For me 300-500mg will greatly increase my sex drive, I get a really nice rounded full look, I can bulk or cut on it (although I find it to be far superior in a bulk), and lastly it puts me into a almost zen like calm compared to regular day to day manic energy. Now that can get bad if run longer than 10-12 weeks and I’m too in the zone and apathetic and all I can do or think about is eating, training, and sleeping. But if ya stick to ten weeks or less at 300-500….that shit is the bees knees my man

 

[AndrewD]

Bad side effects are not a good measure of how well a compound is working. I'm running 400 tren/wk right now (with other compounds) and have, at worst, minimal sides, but I have been able to work around the little bit of issue I have had. I monitor BP daily (same with the NPP I just came off of) and my BP has been ~120/75 for the last 10 weeks.

Call it fake gear if you want, but my results would suggest otherwise.

Not knowing how to mitigate side effects doesn't mean your gear is working better or that it is better.

I guess his statement was not meant absolutely, rather take it as little bit overstated. What I would take from it and I feel that lets say many or most (Im not native english speaker) folks will have BP raised (including me, I can have as little as 100mg deca weekly added to TRT and after few weeks my BP shoots to 150s because of high HCT) but there are minority of people who will not be affected at all but I would say its really the lesser group of the two