Fuck the fucking FDA: The Death of Hcg

[MFAAS]

The fucking FDA released their press release lastvyear about cracking down on HCG. At the time, hormone replacement therapy patients were not affected. We all could continue to get HCG throught compounding pharmacies.

Unfortunately, the FDA fucking hates compounding pharmacies because they dont line the pockets of the FDA through PDUFA like Big Pharma does.

So Big Pharma says. "Hey FDA, we are missing out on some (probably not that large) amount of profits here because these compounding folks are providing cheap HCG to their patients. Since the FDA is our BITCH and we fucking bend y'all over, whip ya, and fuck ya in the ass without lube, you fucking do what we say and force the compunders to stop making HCG. Fuck the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of guys who need it to prevent testicular atrophying, increase well being, and round out their HRT. We don't give a fuck about The People unless it makes us money. Fucking stop it all, NOW!."

The FDA replies, "Yeah, we dont give two shits aboutvThe People either! And you sure are right, you do fuck us in the ass REAL HARD. Ok, we will do what you say!"

So today most HRT patients likely got the email saying xyz pharmacy has been told to stop making HCG by the FDA. You can order some up front. But after that you will have zero access to HCG no matter how small your balls, shrink and hurt, no matter how much it helped you in the past. Sorry, Charlie!

I fucking hate the FDA. I would MUCH rather pay higher taxes and have the FDA work for ME, than have that shit go through PDUFA and have the entire FDA the bitch whore of Big Pharma.

Fuckin A yall. Fuckin A.

I just had to vent. I am running in the elliptical and typing on my phone, so pardon me for any typos.

 

[DannZ]

Any news source? And is hcg still accessible through non compounding pharmacies albeit more expensive?

 

[x666x]

I've dealt with the FDA I can assure you they are extremely powerful and take a knee to no one. They can do pretty much anything they want and crush anyone that stands in their way.

You show any disrespect during an audit, don't bow down, uncle tom, yessum master or snap to attention whenever they bark orders you will have an auditor sitting at your desk for 6 months reviewing every piece of paper in your file system going back ten years to find anything they can use to shut you down.

As for Hcg, that's just the way it goes. The government doesn't exist to offer freedom, it's only purpose is to extinguish it wherever it dares to show its pretty face.

 

[theotherguy]

The government doesn't exist to offer freedom, it's only purpose is to extinguish it wherever it dares to show its pretty face.

This is about the first thing I have read from you that I totally agree with

 

[x666x]

The FDA labeled it a biologic making it exempt from compounding.

It looks like the FDA is aware that this is part of some TRT/HRT protocol and they suggest a SERM to block estrogen so you make your own LH.....if it causes you to feel like dog shit and has lots of side effects the FDA and big pharma doesn't care.

Apparently they were trying to crack down on the hCG diet craze which has never made sense to me as hCG has never caused me to lose weight, if anything I often felt bloated on hCG like my estrogen was increasing and I was retaining water.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there will be no testosterone therapy available in the future to anyone except transgenders as there is a war on T and a push to turn men into women.

 

[malfeasance]

This change was over a year ago.

 

[DannZ]

The FDA labeled it a biologic making it exempt from compounding.

It looks like the FDA is aware that this is part of some TRT/HRT protocol and they suggest a SERM to block estrogen so you make your own LH.....if it causes you to feel like dog shit and has lots of side effects the FDA and big pharma doesn't care.

Apparently they were trying to crack down on the hCG diet craze which has never made sense to me as hCG has never caused me to lose weight, if anything I often felt bloated on hCG like my estrogen was increasing and I was retaining water.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there will be no testosterone therapy available in the future to anyone except transgenders as there is a war on T and a push to turn men into women.

Optimistic part of me doubts test will be off limits. Way too many men depend on it for a variety of reasons. It wouldnt be ethical for healthcare providers to just revoke it, but then again, they could one day just say "take a serm or take a hike." because a "study" "supports" that "new practice"

Risk of trt being revoked for cis men in the future is real

 

[MFAAS]

Any news source? And is hcg still accessible through non compounding pharmacies albeit more expensive?

Literally every person at Defy got the same email saying this is happening. I havent seen it covered by the "news". Here someone took a screenshot and posted it on the testosterone subreddit:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Testosterone/comments/qfktlj/defy_no_longer_providing_hcg/


I called multiple clinics today all over my area and all said the same: they cant get any more HCG.

You may be able to get it from walgreens but it will cost a lot more because it is from big pharma rather than a conpounding pharmacy. I also saw someone claim Merck was gonna stop making it, but have no idea if this is true or not...

Either way, if we want scripts from a pharmacy it is gonna cost extra money. Again, fuck fhe FDA

 

[MFAAS]

This change was over a year ago.

Yes I remember clearly it was, but it didnt affect compounding pharmacies that were providing HCG for HRT patients, which is a key factor here. Originally they just cracked down on weight loss, now they decided HRT patients deserve to get fucked over too...

 

[MFAAS]

Optimistic part of me doubts test will be off limits. Way too many men depend on it for a variety of reasons. It wouldnt be ethical for healthcare providers to just revoke it, but then again, they could one day just say "take a serm or take a hike." because a "study" "supports" that "new practice"

Risk of trt being revoked for cis men in the future is real

The realistic part of me says they dont give a shit. The only possible hope would be a massive petition and march on washington of at least 6 figures of people...

In the end, they simply dont care about us. If it isnt going through big pharma and insurance, they just dont care at all.

 

[MFAAS]

Again, you could probably get your provider to write a script and send it to walgreens, but they charge a fee usually. Then the walgreens/CVS/etc product costs much more than the compounded stuff. Shit sucks. I say lower your doses now bros, make it last!

 

[malfeasance]

use goodrx

or buy Chinese like you do for other stuff

 

[MFAAS]

use goodrx

or buy Chinese like you do for other stuff

It is just some bullshit to have to go through these hoops for something that is, IMO crucial to a TRT protocol.

GoodRX seems to help a little bit. Shaves off 20 bucks or so. Still more expensive, but better. Appreciate the tip, brother.

 

[Hughinn]

It is just some bullshit to have to go through these hoops for something that is, IMO crucial to a TRT protocol.

GoodRX seems to help a little bit. Shaves off 20 bucks or so. Still more expensive, but better. Appreciate the tip, brother.

The FDA is similar to the IRS.
It's job isn't to generate internal revenue. It's to regulate consumption and control wealth distribution.

The FDA is not there to protect Americans from big pharma. It's to insulate big pharma from average Americans.

 

[x666x]

The FDA is similar to the IRS.
It's job isn't to generate internal revenue. It's to regulate consumption and control wealth distribution.

The FDA is not there to protect Americans from big pharma. It's to insulate big pharma from average Americans.

FDA has unbelievable power, they can shut down anyone they want and there's nothing you can do about. You get in their way and you'll have you in handcuffs.

IRS is bad, but the FDA has an army of very well educated super fanatic PhD's that are full on hardcore, they don't screw around if you dare to show any disrespect. They can strike fear and terror into anyone no matter how good you are at your job they will break you down.

This is a typical FDA audit.

 

[nealcaffrey16]

I get mine from GenX. $50/5K IU, which isn't cheap, but they're reliable.

 

[BBC3]

The fucking FDA released their press release lastvyear about cracking down on HCG. At the time, hormone replacement therapy patients were not affected. We all could continue to get HCG throught compounding pharmacies.

Unfortunately, the FDA fucking hates compounding pharmacies because they dont line the pockets of the FDA through PDUFA like Big Pharma does.

So Big Pharma says. "Hey FDA, we are missing out on some (probably not that large) amount of profits here because these compounding folks are providing cheap HCG to their patients. Since the FDA is our BITCH and we fucking bend y'all over, whip ya, and fuck ya in the ass without lube, you fucking do what we say and force the compunders to stop making HCG. Fuck the tens (hundreds?) of thousands of guys who need it to prevent testicular atrophying, increase well being, and round out their HRT. We don't give a fuck about The People unless it makes us money. Fucking stop it all, NOW!."

The FDA replies, "Yeah, we dont give two shits aboutvThe People either! And you sure are right, you do fuck us in the ass REAL HARD. Ok, we will do what you say!"

So today most HRT patients likely got the email saying xyz pharmacy has been told to stop making HCG by the FDA. You can order some up front. But after that you will have zero access to HCG no matter how small your balls, shrink and hurt, no matter how much it helped you in the past. Sorry, Charlie!

I fucking hate the FDA. I would MUCH rather pay higher taxes and have the FDA work for ME, than have that shit go through PDUFA and have the entire FDA the bitch whore of Big Pharma.

Fuckin A yall. Fuckin A.

I just had to vent. I am running in the elliptical and typing on my phone, so pardon me for any typos.

I don't know man a lot of times the FDA has good reasons that they do not disclose. Such as contamination. It would be easy so someone to contaminate products like these with some pretty nasty biological bugz... Prions, protozoans, brain bugz, etc... These types of things that just cant survive in steroid potions because of the way HCG is a protected "delicate" and potentiated only right before use.. THE TYPE OF CONTAGIONS THAT TAKE 20 YEARS TO SHOW UP IN YOU... Then refrigerated to preserve. I get paranoid like that.. (Of course I've also read that the prions in deer can survive over 1000 degrees)

But relax, I have been around a while and the shit always gets attention via the diet market, or some other way and gets clamped down on from time to time. You will just have to seek through other markets.

You could try finding a urologist that understands the value of hormone replacement. I have no doubt they are not cut off but more likely they will only provide it for fertility treatment.. Maybe not all of them though..

What concerns me is that they must be targeting compounding pharmacies that are into health and wellness. Because a Uro would most likely send you to a compounding pharmacy to get it. So perhaps you just find out from your uro who they recommend and fills their prescriptions..

You know when sleepy Joe went into office with Obama there was great concern in the steroid markets because he was known to have ranted about how he could not compete on the baseball team "Because everyone was on roids except him".... But considering the house is falling down around him I doubt he has the resources or even the memory to spend his time grinding old axes... On the other hand, he does seem to have an preference for involving with inconsequential issues, as opposed to real problems...

But keep searching, pushing, and keep up the pressure to get what you are prescribed. Write you state legislators. Make no mistake - MARKET DEMAND IS A POWERFUL FORCE. It's an important fundamental of a democratic capitalist economy. As example, you can see this in the economy as when folks have less cash to spend on luxury items. Then that demand drops and, then supply starts to dry up. First you see less varieties available. Next less companies producing. Next there is no one left to even produce supply.. MARKET DEMAND is always a strong force against any kind of reduction in supply and for any reason... Which is why Obama has just about succeeded in destroying the country due to all the new demand pathways and shitty designer drugs that have arisen out of opioid demonization...