Primo and test cyp for first cycle?

[BCBuilder]

Do you guys have any insight on how a cycle such as 500 test 250 primo for 8-12 weeks would do for a first cycle? Is there a point to using primo on a first cycle?

I figure I might as well hit it hard and get more return for eating and training insanely for that time period, but I'm interested to know if anyone thinks that a more stereotypical "bulking" stack would be better for a first run, or just test to see the side effects on its own.

Thanks in advance for any info

I changed my mind on competing before running a cycle because it makes no sense to lose so much fat and possibly lean tissue when I could just not do that, and put my energy to bringing a bigger, better package to the stage.

 

[Jestopherson]

Given the nature if primoI'd bump it to 16 weeks. But ya should be a decent cycle!

 

[BCBuilder]

Given the nature if primoI'd bump it to 16 weeks. But ya should be a decent cycle!

Would I be better off with test E then? Also would this still be good for trying to slam as much tissue onto my frame as possible? I know primo is a dryer compound and like I mentioned I like the AI like effects. I want to hit it hard on the first go but not too hard lol

Just want to make sure I wouldn't be better off doing some sort of test dbol cycle or anything like that.

 

[Alistair7]

Typical advice for new users is to just run testosterone cyp or E, at 500mg a week for 10 to 12 weeks.

primo is mild enough for a 1st timer though. If it were me, I’s start with the test and run it for at least 4 weeks to get dialed in as far as side effects and then add a small dose of primo and work your way up slowly.

I would not do test plus an oral for 1st cycle unless it was a reasonable dose of anavar added the last 6 weeks of the cycle.

 

[Jestopherson]

Would I be better off with test E then? Also would this still be good for trying to slam as much tissue onto my frame as possible? I know primo is a dryer compound and like I mentioned I like the AI like effects. I want to hit it hard on the first go but not too hard lol

Just want to make sure I wouldn't be better off doing some sort of test dbol cycle or anything like that.

Test e/c are practically interchangeable. Some people just handle one ester better compared to the other.

As the guy above said. Normally it'd just be test only but primo so mild that it shouldn't be any problem

As for dbol. Definitely not. If you want to minimalize e2 issues. Avoid that shit, especially on a first cycle. I'm personally not a fan of dbol. I much prefer dryer orals such as anavar or tbol. Both of which would be good options for a first go but you'll already be adding primo so that's plenty. You can expect to add several lbs of actual muscle in 16 weeks on this cycle. Eat in a moderate deficit. Train hard. High protein high carb. Lots of water and rest

 

[Ambitionzcs]

Why do you think you need two compounds? Your going to grow like a weed with just test on your first cycle if you know how to eat and sleep well. Why not save the second compound for when you have exhausted all your gains from test.
It's also about more then just gains, if you run primo your not going to know how your body reacts to just test, how much you aromatize, if you get acne or not, and many more things that are important to know. If you do both your left guessing what compound is causing what.
Just my .02

 

[BCBuilder]

Typical advice for new users is to just run testosterone cyp or E, at 500mg a week for 10 to 12 weeks.

As the guy above said. Normally it'd just be test only but primo so mild that it shouldn't be any problem

As for dbol. Definitely not. If you want to minimalize e2 issues. Avoid that shit, especially on a first cycle. I'm personally not a fan of dbol. I much prefer dryer orals such as anavar or tbol.

Why do you think you need two compounds? Your going to grow like a weed with just test on your first cycle if you know how to eat and sleep well.

Alright boys I appreciate the feedback. You make it a fair point to just stick with test for my first run. Gauge how it does and see how I react and go from there. No use running a pro cycle until I actually need to lol (I know that test and some primo is no where near a pro stack, but you know what I mean)

 

[bodybuilder8806]

If it was me personally on a first cycle I'd do something like:

Week 1-4: 300mg Test *See how gains are going.

Week 5-8: 500mg *if responding well and gains tapering bump up to 500mg

Week 8-12/16: Add in 250mg Primo which will give you enough time to see how you react to various amounts of Test. The primo will be a nice complimentary compound that will help with some E2 control and harden up your physique towards the end if diet is good.


If you're growing well off the 500mg Test maybe don't even add in the primo this time around and just stay at 500mg Test for the rest of the cycle.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I’d do 500 test e a week. Nothing else.

trying to slam as much tissue as fast as possible isn’t going to work.

you’ll see when you’re on cycle. It works. But it’s unrealistic to think you can build a unreasonable amount of quality tissue fast.

 

[BCBuilder]

I’d do 500 test e a week. Nothing else.

trying to slam as much tissue as fast as possible isn’t going to work.

you’ll see when you’re on cycle. It works. But it’s unrealistic to think you can build a unreasonable amount of quality tissue fast.

I guess I should clarify I'm not expecting some crazy like 50 lb lean mass gain, just the more standard like maybe 5 of lean tissue and 10 of water and glycogen,

 

[BCBuilder]

If it was me personally on a first cycle I'd do something like:

Week 1-4: 300mg Test *See how gains are going.

Week 5-8: 500mg *if responding well and gains tapering bump up to 500mg

Week 8-12/16: Add in 250mg Primo which will give you enough time to see how you react to various amounts of Test. The primo will be a nice complimentary compound that will help with some E2 control and harden up your physique towards the end if diet is good.


If you're growing well off the 500mg Test maybe don't even add in the primo this time around and just stay at 500mg Test for the rest of the cycle.

That looks to be the agreement, and to be honest not having to spend a bunch of money on primo sounds pretty good to me lol

 

[Alistair7]

@BCBuilder the cypionate ester has way less pip (if any at all) than test E, for most people anyway.

The first time I blasted test, I stared with 250 and slowly worked my way up to 500mg a week. I aromatize a bit higher than the average guy despite being lean, so I wanted to be careful. I was pleasantly surprised how mild the side effects were.

 

[BCBuilder]

[the cypionate ester has way less pip (if any at all) than test E, for most people anyway.

The first time I blasted test, I stared with 250 and slowly worked my way up to 500mg a week. I aromatize a bit higher than the average guy despite being lean, so I wanted to be careful. I was pleasantly surprised how mild the side effects were.

Did you pin Ed or EOD? I have seen people say every day is better for stable levels

 

[bodybuilder8806]

Did you pin Ed or EOD? I have seen people say every day is better for stable levels

In my experience with both cycles and just TRT in general, the more frequent the injections regardless of ester length the less side effects and better overall feeling. This is person specific.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

I guess I should clarify I'm not expecting some crazy like 50 lb lean mass gain, just the more standard like maybe 5 of lean tissue and 10 of water and glycogen,

That’s very achievable. I went from 215-235 in 12 weeks and came off and sat at a solid 225 around 12% body fat. That’s very achievable.

 

[BCBuilder]

That’s very achievable. I went from 215-235 in 12 weeks and came off and sat at a solid 225 around 12% body fat. That’s very achievable.

I'm keeping my expectations low, that way if I blow up I will be happily surprised rather than tempted to add a gram of tren to get things happening lol. I know the reality is that AAS will just allow me to train harder and more often, and eat more, so it depends on my ability to utilize those things

 

[GuerillaPete]

Do test and have an oral like Var on hand and if you feel that you are not progressing anymore add that or just bump the test.
Every time you stall add food or drugs !

 

[BCBuilder]

Do test and have an oral like Var on hand and if you feel that you are not progressing anymore add that or just bump the test.
Every time you stall add food or drugs !

Will do. Im bumping my start date up, I think I will start a cycle in 3-6 months, just test and var and see what happens

 

[Forthewin1123]

I like how you thinking op..being open minded.. rarely seen around here..
Save your money and fuck the primo imho..
Use that saved money on food and supplements..
300-500 mg test e.or c I prefer e.. but that's not important
Have aromasin or.arimadex..study both and pick one and have atleat 30 on standby.. you will likely need some amount of ai at 500mg..
If that's your back in the pic.... you are gonna have some good gains as long as you eat enough clean food. ..

But I'm curious..how old are.you? If.your young..I reccomend not cycling yet...this shit is not healthy.. most of us once we started we didn't stop..need wanted more gains. M and training enhanced is so much better then natural.. once you train enhanced and then train natural.. your like fuck this shit..

 

[GuerillaPete]

First cycle prop will do you good its not expansive,itt leaves your system quick,you can adjust the dose easy!
i would start low 300 and bump as needed to 500-600 mg per week 3 shots!
But primo or var will do you good also!