First Test and Deca brew questions

[adamcarpenter]

So I am ready to brew my first batch of Test Cyp 200/ml and Deca 200/ml, both will be 50ml batches.

I have the raws, hot plate with magnetic stirrer and temp probe, glassware, syringes and filters, and pre-sterilized vials.

I pretty much just need to figure out the best % of ba and bb to use. I am using grape seed oil for a carrier.

Whats a good % ba and bb to start with for a newbie? I’ve used UGL gear and legit pharma gear (test only) and never had any kind of allergic reaction to any. Only had one case of really bad pip in the last few years.

Also what temperature should I shoot for and how long should I keep it all stirring? I’ve read 150F is a good number for 20-30 minutes, adding the ba and bb at the end for a few minutes.

Just going to use syringe filters this time, if everything goes well I’ll get a bottle top setup with vacuum for next time.

Any other words of advice are very much appreciated!

 

[Forthewin1123]

2%ba /20%bb is a safe bet.. 18%bb is good to..
2/20 is very common and works very well with all basic compounds..you can do 250 cyp and deca ..I've done 250 with each at 2/20 no issues..no crashing of the cyp

 

[theotherguy]

Please don’t use heat for either of those. If you MUST use heat to speed up the process, put the heating plate on the lowest possible setting. Mix until the powder is completely dissolved into the solution.

EDIT: I have also found that stirring for at least and hour at room temp AFTER heating helping it stay in solution much better. Also you may have to heat the deca raws to help get them out of your container.

 

[adamcarpenter]

Please don’t use heat for either of those. If you MUST use heat to speed up the process, put the heating plate on the lowest possible setting. Mix until the powder is completely dissolved into the solution.

EDIT: I have also found that stirring for at least and hour at room temp AFTER heating helping it stay in solution much better. Also you may have to heat the deca raws to help get them out of your container.

Without heat do you put the ba and bb in at the end or just put everything in at once?

 

[Forthewin1123]

Without heat do you put the ba and bb in at the end or just put everything in at once?

I've seen, read,and heard atleast 50 different ways of brewing.. honestly..
They all seem to come out just fine..
I use medium heat.. no more then 50-75% melting point .. 150-200 °f.. but I personally don't add the ba until it's in suspension and cooling down.. I will let it stir for 45-60 mins after suspension.. then I let it cool down to 100° or less..add ba stir for 30 mins.. I wait to add ba I was told the heat and stirring can/may let the ba evaporate..
Even if I use no heat I wait until it's all dissolved and stirred for atleast 45min.. I was told tje long stirring makes a stronger bond less likely to crash..and like any oil .. heat and friction..friction may be tje wromf word here.. can make the oil thinner/smoother.. I can't prove this.. but oil does get permanently thinner over time with heat and use..
I've read so many different ways.. I personally used common sense and knowledge of how oil alcohol react to form my own process.. because I had read and heard so many different ways of doing the same job.. and of course each way swears its the best way..
I could be wrong here.. bit as long as you don't over heat/burn oil or raw.. evaporate ba.. how you get there doesn't matter.. recipe matters and getting it into suspension matters without damaging oil or raw.. filtering /sterility is in my opinion most important.

That was a little much sorry. I'd like to hear how you do and some pics..

What carrier oil are you going to use?

 

[Eman]

1/18 is what I use for just about everything... I've done 1/15 with cyp and it holds but it can lightly crash in winter and if kept in a chilly room.

Deca - you can get this to hold at just about any amount of BB... I'd keep it to 15-18 just to thin out the oil.

Test - pretty much the same deal but it won't be as thick.

You don't need to use heat with these... or most other compounds for that matter. I would prewarm the oil or just turn the hot plate onto low to keep the oil moving. Add raws, add BB, it'll all dissolve or come close... add oil and stir. Add BA at the end, turn off stir, filter carefully, vial.

 

[adamcarpenter]

I've seen, read,and heard atleast 50 different ways of brewing.. honestly..
They all seem to come out just fine..
I use medium heat.. no more then 50-75% melting point .. 150-200 °f.. but I personally don't add the ba until it's in suspension and cooling down.. I will let it stir for 45-60 mins after suspension.. then I let it cool down to 100° or less..add ba stir for 30 mins.. I wait to add ba I was told the heat and stirring can/may let the ba evaporate..
Even if I use no heat I wait until it's all dissolved and stirred for atleast 45min.. I was told tje long stirring makes a stronger bond less likely to crash..and like any oil .. heat and friction..friction may be tje wromf word here.. can make the oil thinner/smoother.. I can't prove this.. but oil does get permanently thinner over time with heat and use..
I've read so many different ways.. I personally used common sense and knowledge of how oil alcohol react to form my own process.. because I had read and heard so many different ways of doing the same job.. and of course each way swears its the best way..
I could be wrong here.. bit as long as you don't over heat/burn oil or raw.. evaporate ba.. how you get there doesn't matter.. recipe matters and getting it into suspension matters without damaging oil or raw.. filtering /sterility is in my opinion most important.

That was a little much sorry. I'd like to hear how you do and some pics..

What carrier oil are you going to use?

Going to use grape seed oil. I’ll definitely post pics and report my experience.

 

[All Nats McGee]

Instead of GSO I would use MCT. Thinner and seems harder for anything to crash.

 

[H&M]

Test cyp sometimes can crash if the concentration is higher than usual 200ml/ml
for an example:you can use 2/18 for 200mg/ml for a stable solution
OR you can go higher with BB like 2/20 and reach 250mg/ml,but it can sometimes crash random

with deca you can use as little as 5%BB up to 250mg/ml maybe higher,very easy to work with

 

[bornSkinny]

Any reason you want lower concentrations like 200 each?
I’ve brewed CYP at 250, and DECA at 300 without any issues.
As poster above mentioned, if you haven’t tried MCT it’s worth a try. I prefer it to anything else ive tried. Very thin when warm makes injections easy.

 

[Abakael]

-Make sure youre holding the filter tight on the syringe while filling the vials, or you will squirt all over your place (1st time mistake haha)
-put a second needle in the vial for ventilation while filling
-sterilize the rubber stopper before filling

 

[adamcarpenter]

Any reason you want lower concentrations like 200 each?
I’ve brewed CYP at 250, and DECA at 300 without any issues.
As poster above mentioned, if you haven’t tried MCT it’s worth a try. I prefer it to anything else ive tried. Very thin when warm makes injections easy.

Just playing it safe for my first time. Seems like the higher concentrations five people more problems. I’m definitely going to pick up some MCT this weekend.

 

[jJjburton]

Homebrewing is the best. You will never want to buy finished again. Its so easy.

I use mct its so nice. I use slight heat just warm. So it filters faster.

 

[jJjburton]

Just playing it safe for my first time. Seems like the higher concentrations five people more problems. I’m definitely going to pick up some MCT this weekend.

No need for high concentrations. I just brew everything at 200 mg, for ease.

 

[RackPuller]

I do my test cyp and deca in 1/18 mct @ 300mg/ml never crashed

 

[x666x]

I've used 1/18 for Cyp.

Deca will hold at 300 using 1/18 easily.

Here's how I've eliminated the need for equipment for those wanting to do everything as cheap as possible.

First of all the shelf life of BB is short, I consider it nasty stuff. Try putting some on the tip of your tongue.

Use MCT oil because it will hold at higher concentrations.

For the hillbilly trailer park brewer all you need is big sack of raws. Some oil. Coffee cup warmer, DI H2O to sterilize glassware, small pressure cooker, oven, 91% rubbing alcohol to sterilize rubber stoppers.

Warm oil to 100 F, added raws gradually and keep stirring until it's all dissolved, keep adding raws until it won't dissolve, then add a little more oil until it is dissolved, let it cool and if it doesn't crash, warm it back up to 100F and Filter into two 20ml vials, add .3 tenths of a cc of BA to each vial and you're done.

You have a brew that you have no idea how much is in it, but it shouldn't crash and you don't have a need for any equipment.

Inject and adjust your dose based on feel because that's all you're gonna end up doing eventually anyway.

Welcome to the poor mans brew.

 

[jJjburton]

I've used 1/18 for Cyp.

Deca will hold at 300 using 1/18 easily.

Here's how I've eliminated the need for equipment for those wanting to do everything as cheap as possible.

First of all the shelf life of BB is short, I consider it nasty stuff. Try putting some on the tip of your tongue.

Use MCT oil because it will hold at higher concentrations.

For the hillbilly trailer park brewer all you need is big sack of raws. Some oil. Coffee cup warmer, DI H2O to sterilize glassware, small pressure cooker, oven, 91% rubbing alcohol to sterilize rubber stoppers.

Warm oil to 100 F, added raws gradually and keep stirring until it's all dissolved, keep adding raws until it won't dissolve, then add a little more oil until it is dissolved, let it cool and if it doesn't crash, warm it back up to 100F and Filter into two 20ml vials, add .3 tenths of a cc of BA to each vial and you're done.

You have a brew that you have no idea how much is in it, but it shouldn't crash and you don't have a need for any equipment.

Inject and adjust your dose based on feel because that's all you're gonna end up doing eventually anyway.

Welcome to the poor mans brew.

you could easily just got a mg amount just by knowing how many grams are in those 40 mL. 4000 mg/40 is 100 mg/mL. Very simple math. Or however many grams of raws you used.

 

[x666x]

you could easily just got a mg amount just by knowing how many grams are in those 40 mL. 4000 mg/40 is 100 mg/mL. Very simple math. Or however many grams of raws you used.

You could use displacement of 0.9ml per gram.

However you're only equipment in this case is a syringe(which isn't all that accurate). We aren't using any scales, beakers or graduated cylinders. You'd have to keep a close eye on how much oil you added and what the finished volume is to get an estimate of the grams you added.

Basically what I'm doing is for the person that doesn't have equipment and doesn't want to keep equipment on hand like gram scales, glassware that would be included in the evidence against you if you were ever busted.

I don't recommend this method, but it's a commonsense approach to making a brew without worrying about getting the measurements right because you're basically trying to go right up to the point the raws fall out of suspension, without having to use a solvent, while using a lower viscosity oil that holds a higher concentration with a finishing of BA to help keep it sterile.

 

[adamcarpenter]

I decided to just brew the test first yesterday, I’ll get to the deca next weekend.

It turned out great. Couple of hiccups. I went with 250mg/ml and 1/15 for ba and bb with MCT oil. The first problem was with the hot plate. It has a thermometer that it uses to regulate the temperature. I thought the hot plate was off and the display read 71F. After it had been stirring for about 5-10 minutes I checked it and I felt some heat, so I shut it off and measured the temp and it was 180F. Probably for not longer than 5 minutes. I let everything cool for 30 minutes and then set it back up stirring for another 45 minutes.

Pulled it into a syringe, exactly 50ml. There was some general fuckery getting things sealed up with the filter and needle but I think I got about 45ml filtered.

After i cleaned up my mess and put everything away I looked at the gear and saw some crystals. Not many, and a couple vials seemed perfect. I threw everything in a heating pad and it all cleared up. This morning it was all still good except one vial had just a few crystals.

This morning I pinned my delt, 1.2cc. Super smooth, no pip. Pretty satisfied overall. Hopefully the brief moment on the hot plate didn’t degrade the hormones. I’ll get blood work in 6 weeks or so.

Here it is.

 

[Mmzz]

I decided to just brew the test first yesterday, I’ll get to the deca next weekend.

It turned out great. Couple of hiccups. I went with 250mg/ml and 1/15 for ba and bb with MCT oil. The first problem was with the hot plate. It has a thermometer that it uses to regulate the temperature. I thought the hot plate was off and the display read 71F. After it had been stirring for about 5-10 minutes I checked it and I felt some heat, so I shut it off and measured the temp and it was 180F

After i cleaned up my mess and put everything away I looked at the gear and saw some crystals. Not many, and a couple vials seemed perfect. I threw everything in a heating pad and it all cleared up. This morning it was all still good except one vial had just a few crystals.

Since MCT starts out clear did the yellow tint come from the heat?

And it's my understanding that there should be absolutely no crystals after filtering. A 0.2um filter is small enouph to filter out microscopic bacteria so nothing visible to the human eye should make it through.

Are you sure you didn't use a PES filter instead of PVDF/Nylon/PTFE? A PES filter WILL dissolve so what you thought was crystals may be parts of your filter membrane and the brew may not be completely sterilized.