First Cycle T400/VAR

[TanGerino]

Hey guys - long time reader, first cycle.

34 years old, 6'1" - 270 - % Bodyfat unknown. Always been a lifter 3-4x/week but carried a sweet gut. Goal is to mitigate muscle loss while i trim down.

Using Apollo Labs T400/Duratest: Prop, Cyp, Enan, Deca

Pre-cycle Test was 450 total

Week 1-2: 0.3 T400 2x/week - 240 Total
Week 3-4: 0.4 T400 2x/week - 320 Total
Week 5-6: 0.5 T400 2x/week - 400 Total
Week 6-7: 0.5 T400 2x/week - 400 Total + 20mg (10mg x 2) VAR
Week 8-9: 0.5 T400 2x/week - 400 Total + 20mg (10mg x 2) VAR
Week 10: 0.5 T400 2x/week - 400 Total + 40mg (20mg x 2) VAR
Week 11-12: 0.5 T400 2x/week - 400 Total + 40mg (20mg x 2) VAR
Week 13-14: Off
Week 15: Begin PCT. Have Nolva, Clomid and HCG on hand. Doing a ton of research to figure what exactly this will be

I'm 1 month in on the T400. Last pin was 0.4 on Tuesday Morning, 6am.

I did bloodwork (attached) on Monday (day before my last injection). Fucked up and did it at 1pm after fasting all night/morning. My test is lower than when i started. Maybe that's due to it being 3 days after injection and middle of the day? I don't know - figured this would be loaded into my system by now and I'd be 750+ being i started at 450. Only thing out of range was my estridol. Fat-guy roid problems?



I am PR(ing) everything. Hit 275x6 then 315x2 on squat this morning - most I've ever done. I know the shit is working but bummed after getting the blood work.

Would love to hear everyone's thoughts.

 

[Megadick3000]

Looks like you have AIDS sir, my condolences.



But fo real, why did you start with the lower dosings? Wouldve just smashed the 400 from the get go. Also im not familiar with this blend your using but if its 400mg of it your taking and it has deca in it whats the mg of test esters in 400mg and wits the mg of deca? Given you say its 3 esters plus deca im assuming 100mg per ester or something and 100mg deca?

If thats the case your only taking 300mg of T a week which is honestly not a lot bro. Also ive neverbeen a fan of mixed esters, i dont see the point, just pick an ester and commit to the necessary dosing schedule for it. Mixed esters is just unnecessary complexity IMO.

 

[Isrrike]

Your test is fake if that’s your levels 6 days after a shot of test.

 

[TanGerino]

Looks like you have AIDS sir, my condolences.



But fo real, why did you start with the lower dosings? Wouldve just smashed the 400 from the get go. Also im not familiar with this blend your using but if its 400mg of it your taking and it has deca in it whats the mg of test esters in 400mg and wits the mg of deca? Given you say its 3 esters plus deca im assuming 100mg per ester or something and 100mg deca?

If thats the case your only taking 300mg of T a week which is honestly not a lot bro. Also ive neverbeen a fan of mixed esters, i dont see the point, just pick an ester and commit to the necessary dosing schedule for it. Mixed esters is just unnecessary complexity IMO.

I stated lower as pretty much everything i read recommended easing into your first cycle to avoid side effects. I don't actually know the breakdown of the esters as percentage of th compound, just that the compound contains those 4 esters. My assumption would be the same as yours.

As for 300 not being a lot, that may be the issue. I hit my "guy" up about it and he said he takes 2ml 2x per week to maintain 1,400 total Test. That's 1600mg or fucking test. I didn't think you'd need near that much to see results.

He recommended I double and do 1ml 2x per week but 800mg test seems pretty high for my first cycle.

Your test is fake if that’s your levels 6 days after a shot of test.

That was my first thought too - hit up my supplier and his reply is outlined above.

 

[Isrrike]

I stated lower as pretty much everything i read recommended easing into your first cycle to avoid side effects. I don't actually know the breakdown of the esters as percentage of th compound, just that the compound contains those 4 esters. My assumption would be the same as yours.

As for 300 not being a lot, that may be the issue. I hit my "guy" up about it and he said he takes 2ml 2x per week to maintain 1,400 total Test. That's 1600mg or fucking test. I didn't think you'd need near that much to see results.

He recommended I double and do 1ml 2x per week but 800mg test seems pretty high for my first cycle.



That was my first thought too - hit up my supplier and his reply is outlined above.

I’ve seen you post on another Canadian board I am on brother. All I can say is 350 of another lab had me at 126mmol test. Shoot me a pm I can show you blood work

 

[TanGerino]

I’ve seen you post on another Canadian board I am on brother. All I can say is 350 of another lab had me at 126mmol test. Shoot me a pm I can show you blood work

Yeah, I hate to be blasting posts all over but it's hard to know which forums are active so i thought i'd try another. I read a TON on CJM when i was gathering info. There are a lot of forums out there on these topics so i picked the two i used most in my research.

I'll shoot you that PM for sure! That's WILD. What did you end up doing? Was it shit-gear or just how your body reacted?

 

[TanGerino]

Bloods were shit - supplier is throwing me his CYP 200 to try as he's baffled as to why my bloods are what they are.

Not sure i want to give his shit another go so i ordered some @GoodLyfe CYP 250.

Ordered a test kit from @janoshik to get to the bottom of this T400 from Apollo. Stay Tuned.

 

[TanGerino]

Took a second round of bloods today to see if it’s underdosed gear or a Quest bloodwork fuck up. Been reading more on issues members have had with quest diagnostics. Should have the results in a few days. Figured a second round was in order to confirm. Regardless, switching over to @GoodLyfe Test C after seeing @janoshik results on it.

Going to change to 0.7 2x/week for a total of 320-350 (Jano tested it about 10% under).

Came in today.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

Bloods were shit - supplier is throwing me his CYP 200 to try as he's baffled as to why my bloods are what they are.

Not sure i want to give his shit another go so i ordered some @GoodLyfe CYP 250.

Ordered a test kit from @janoshik to get to the bottom of this T400 from Apollo. Stay Tuned.

A test kit from Jano?

 

[TanGerino]

A test kit from Jano?

Well, whatever you want to call it. Ordered his “service” and the perfume viles you ship it in etc.

 

[TanGerino]

Bloodwork, Round 2 is in. This is 14 injections, 7 weeks of Apollo Labs Duratest (T400). I can officially say, this shit is just oil.

Switch to the @GoodLyfe on this morning's injection and will post bloods in a few weeks.

 

[Gymer]

Bloodwork, Round 2 is in. This is 14 injections, 7 weeks of Apollo Labs Duratest (T400). I can officially say, this shit is just oil.

Switch to the @GoodLyfe on this morning's injection and will post bloods in a few weeks.


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Keep us updated. Im interested in seeing the new blood work!

 

[TanGerino]

Too much bloodwork never hurt anyone, right? @GoodLyfe told me to trust the process and wait 5 weeks. That's solid advice and I plan to retest then. Bloodwork is cheap enough and i really wanted to know i was headed in the right direction. HOLY SHIT - @GoodLyfe is the real-fucking-deal.

These bloods were pulled after 5 injections pinning 0.5cc 2x/week - Test CYP 250.

 

[TanGerino]

Coming to a close on the cycle, in week 11 now so next week closes it.

Looking at PCT, I've read enough to understand nothing. Injecting 250/week, I don't feel like I need HCG, Nolva and Clomid.

I am thinking Start 3 weeks after last injection with Nolvadex and run it at 40mg/day for 6 weeks.

I plan to keep the HCG and clomid i have on the sidelines should i need it but not institute it as part of the initial protocol. Thoughts?

 

[Gymer]

Coming to a close on the cycle, in week 11 now so next week closes it.

Looking at PCT, I've read enough to understand nothing. Injecting 250/week, I don't feel like I need HCG, Nolva and Clomid.

I am thinking Start 3 weeks after last injection with Nolvadex and run it at 40mg/day for 6 weeks.

I plan to keep the HCG and clomid i have on the sidelines should i need it but not institute it as part of the initial protocol. Thoughts?

all in all how was your first cycle? did it meet your expectations? Get rid of that gut?

 

[TanGerino]

all in all how was your first cycle? did it meet your expectations? Get rid of that gut?

It was a learning experience. The first 4 weeks were wasted on bullshit test, next 6 weeks figuring what PIP was all about and learning that, when fat, you can starve yourself and maintain your muscle while cutting or eat at maintenance or slightly above to recomp but stay fat.

I got addicted to the increase in my lifts, even being a mild cycle, and focused on strength. Made awesome strength improvements but didn't see much weight loss.