Seth feroce says he built most of his leg mass with

[Deleted member 123722]

Dorian is another example of someone who ditched the squats and did Leg Presses. I used to force myself to squat thinking it was "must do," but my biomechanics suck for that movement, and I got nothing out of them. When I learned about Blood and Guts, I decided to trying Dorian's approach to legs and they blew up. Your legs (and all muscles for that matter) have no idea what exercises you are doing, they simply respond to tension. If something you're doing is not causing that tension and you don't feel an exercise like someone else says you should, you're wasting your time.

Do what is best for your body by doing exercises that you feel the most, because those are the ones which work best for your body mechanics.

 

[Plate Smacker]

Leg press. This is what I felt, I don’t think I’ll be doing barbell squat anymore

I know it’s different for everyone but I never saw growth until I threw in leg press so ima just work with that and back squat

I will be referring to the free weight back squat, and bodybuilding hypertrophy.
Your anthropometry (limb lengths and insertions) will determine if the squat is optimal for overall leg development.
For me, longer femur, short torso, the back squat builds my Posterior chain. Doesn't do much for quads.
Going parallel for me isn't necessary for Leg development. It seems to be more of a "proving grounds" type thing. "Pshh, that isn't how you squat bro, that wasn't parallel". Yeah, well I'm not competing in a damn powerlifting competition. I"m going by feel, the pump, and results.
For the record, most of my years were spent doing powerlifting type training methods. The Squats didn't do much for leg development, because a large portion is quads. Just like Arms are Triceps.
Leg Extensions, leg pressing which allowed different foot placement, Squats in a Smith machine allow you to change foot position and angle of body without falling over, lever Squats because again, foot position and body angle aren't limited by gravity and falling over as with a free barbell.
I still squat however, but I actually do it on Posterior Focus day. My ass is huge from squatting. So I still squat.
I look like Layne Norton if I go parallel. The squat everyone wants to see, because if it isn't parallel your wrong. I'm not to concerned because I home gym anyway. If your bodybuilding, and parallel doesn't feel optimal, there is nothing wrong with stopping just short of parallel.


Many IFBB pros did limited squatting, typically due to injuries. Dorian Yates moved away from Squats due to hip injury, for example.

 

[Megadick3000]

I find back squats work mostly in my glutes and lower back. I squat deep, ATG but stop just before i butt wink.

I think front squats are way better for the quads but i cannot do them personally.

Leg press is my fav for quads. I vary my stance, for example if doing 6 sets ill do 2 sets at widest, 2 sets in the middle and the final 2 sets with my feet almost touching eachother. You can totally feel the difference between widths and how it shifts emphasis onto various parts of the quads as you change it.

The key with leg press is to do the full ROM. I see so many ppl in the gym do half the range of motion, the easy half. If im using the widest stance my knees end up by my ears at the “bottom” of each rep. If im using the narrowest stance I can lick my knees at the bottom of each rep.

 

[JesterBOB]

I find back squats work mostly in my glutes and lower back. I squat deep, ATG but stop just before i butt wink.

I think front squats are way better for the quads but i cannot do them personally.

Leg press is my fav for quads. I vary my stance, for example if doing 6 sets ill do 2 sets at widest, 2 sets in the middle and the final 2 sets with my feet almost touching eachother. You can totally feel the difference between widths and how it shifts emphasis onto various parts of the quads as you change it.

The key with leg press is to do the full ROM. I see so many ppl in the gym do half the range of motion, the easy half. If im using the widest stance my knees end up by my ears at the “bottom” of each rep. If im using the narrowest stance I can lick my knees at the bottom of each rep.

I prefer to do front squats in a smith machine, because I put more emphasis on the quads and it seems to be safer for my back.

 

[JesterBOB]

Dorian is another example of someone who ditched the squats and did Leg Presses. I used to force myself to squat thinking it was "must do," but my biomechanics suck for that movement, and I got nothing out of them. When I learned about Blood and Guts, I decided to trying Dorian's approach to legs and they blew up. Your legs (and all muscles for that matter) have no idea what exercises you are doing, they simply respond to tension. If something you're doing is not causing that tension and you don't feel an exercise like someone else says you should, you're wasting your time.

Do what is best for your body by doing exercises that you feel the most, because those are the ones which work best for your body mechanics.

I agree that hypertrophy squats are not de facto mandatory. Since many guys, based on anatomical features, are more harmful to health than good when squatting. Therefore, leg presses and squats in a Smith machine are a good tool to achieve goals.

 

[malfeasance]

I will be referring to the free weight back squat, and bodybuilding hypertrophy.
Your anthropometry (limb lengths and insertions) will determine if the squat is optimal for overall leg development.
For me, longer femur, short torso, the back squat builds my Posterior chain. Doesn't do much for quads.
Going parallel for me isn't necessary for Leg development. It seems to be more of a "proving grounds" type thing. "Pshh, that isn't how you squat bro, that wasn't parallel". Yeah, well I'm not competing in a damn powerlifting competition. I"m going by feel, the pump, and results.
For the record, most of my years were spent doing powerlifting type training methods. The Squats didn't do much for leg development, because a large portion is quads. Just like Arms are Triceps.
Leg Extensions, leg pressing which allowed different foot placement, Squats in a Smith machine allow you to change foot position and angle of body without falling over, lever Squats because again, foot position and body angle aren't limited by gravity and falling over as with a free barbell.
I still squat however, but I actually do it on Posterior Focus day. My ass is huge from squatting. So I still squat.
I look like Layne Norton if I go parallel. The squat everyone wants to see, because if it isn't parallel your wrong. I'm not to concerned because I home gym anyway. If your bodybuilding, and parallel doesn't feel optimal, there is nothing wrong with stopping just short of parallel.


Many IFBB pros did limited squatting, typically due to injuries. Dorian Yates moved away from Squats due to hip injury, for example.

Isn't he down like that because of where he put the bar on his back? Low bar squats force a person to lean over more. It changes the center of gravity. This is not about his anatomy.

If you put the bar high up on your traps, you are forced to squat more upright. Again, physics and center of gravity.

 

[Plate Smacker]

Isn't he down like that because of where he put the bar on his back? Low bar squats force a person to lean over more. It changes the center of gravity. This is not about his anatomy.

If you put the bar high up on your traps, you are forced to squat more upright. Again, physics and center of gravity.

Yes, correct.
Powerlifters use low bar.
He uses low bar and we can see the difference vs others who also use low bar.
Of course if he was bodybuilding, high bar would shift him more upright, and bring in the quads more if he tracks knees a little more over toes.
This is just competition example.
Even high bar, I still bend over more than someone with shorter femur and longer torso. Still more ass with barbell high bar squat.

 

[JesterBOB]

Yes, correct.
Powerlifters use low bar.
He uses low bar and we can see the difference vs others who also use low bar.
Of course if he was bodybuilding, high bar would shift him more upright, and bring in the quads more if he tracks knees a little more over toes.
This is just competition example.
Even high bar, I still bend over more than someone with shorter femur and longer torso. Still more ass with barbell high bar squat.

Yes, a lower bar in powerlifting gives less leverage and better performance for the lifter. But quadriceps with this style work to a lesser extent.

 

[JesterBOB]

Isn't he down like that because of where he put the bar on his back? Low bar squats force a person to lean over more. It changes the center of gravity. This is not about his anatomy.

If you put the bar high up on your traps, you are forced to squat more upright. Again, physics and center of gravity.

Another position of the back depends on the width of the rack and on the style. You can start moving from your knees to the side, as with sumo-style squats, and then the back, other things being equal, will be more vertical.

 

[Plate Smacker]

Listen at time 13:28
Hopefully starts at that time.

 

[Jpmerr2021]

slightly off topic but is Seth Feroce still claiming he doesn’t do gear anymore and only TRT?

LOOOL

 

[malfeasance]

slightly off topic but is Seth Feroce still claiming he doesn’t do gear anymore and only TRT?

LOOOL

My recollection when he made that announcement is that he admitted he would do "more" from time to time.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

This was from when I added leg press nothing crazy but clearly some stimulus was provided before this they were just nothing

That’s when I started to think I may have been onto something -meaning I wasn’t using momentum anymore

This is years ago

Always been kinda vascular since tren or injectable Superdrol but the mass lacks because I don’t eat food

More crotch pics please

 

[malfeasance]

10 years. Go check all the transformation Tuesday’s and see what the time was from start to pro.

Transformation Tuesdays? What is this?

 

[JesterBOB]

My recollection when he made that announcement is that he admitted he would do "more" from time to time.

I also think that's what he said.

 

[Gigantic]

I know I’m resurrecting an old thread, but I spent most of my life being a bigger (fatter) guy. I don’t need deep squats to have huge legs. My quads and legs are about the size of The Mountain’s in his prime, and my calves are bigger.

You don’t need huge ROM to get there. I do half squats, walks with heavy weighted vests >100lbs, and yokes. I don’t need to injure myself with heavy ROM, and my legs got way bigger simply by doing half squats on the leg press. I do over 1000lb and protect myself from injury.

Your legs will grow explosively if you are carrying weight and walking with it. At least that works for me. For bigger, more aesthetic looks, yeah, you may need to do better ROMs with lower weight and utilize some leg extensions (squats help although for me that’s injury territory), but I’ll take what I got since nobody at any of the gyms has bigger legs than me. Another thing is, I’m not really “cut” at 24% body fat and my legs have huge veins visible everywhere.

They may have more aesthetic looks, but my legs are bigger and significantly stronger. I’m at the point where I’m nearing 34” quads, and can max out all leg exercise machines with zero effort, and have hundreds of reps (17 sets of 10 reps for example) in a single session.

 

[malfeasance]

my legs got way bigger simply by doing half squats on the leg press.

What do half squats on the leg press look like? How many degrees of knee angle are we talking about?

 

[malfeasance]

I’m at the point where I’m nearing 34” quads,

I can't help but wonder what they would measure at 8% body fat, though.

 

[Gigantic]

What do half squats on the leg press look like? How many degrees of knee angle are we talking about?

They aren’t full motion reps, like I’m not going all the way back, but I’m still going decently far back. It’s your standard Hammer Fitness leg press.

Full range of motion will likely give me injuries at that weight since I’m not ready for full ROM. However, I don’t need full ROM.

I can't help but wonder what they would measure at 8% body fat, though.

Not sure. They feel rock hard all around, but I’m guessing 2-3” less.