International vs domestic

[Cherokee]

View: https://youtu.be/UGxsMV3DtoI

This is the ONLY person I've seen in the last 10 years who as a private individual got busted.

And I find it interesting, her husband (who's address it went to) is like the #1 rated bodybuilder in his class. I can't help but wonder if one of his competitors didn't rat on him. Seems funny out of 1,084,000 Americans who use steroids, she's the only one who's been busted for person use quantities.

1 in a million odds you could say!

 

[hometeam]

This is the ONLY person I've seen in the last 10 years who as a private individual got busted.

And I find it interesting, her husband (who's address it went to) is like the #1 rated bodybuilder in his class. I can't help but wonder if one of his competitors didn't rat on him. Seems funny out of 1,084,000 Americans who use steroids, she's the only one who's been busted for person use quantities.

1 in a million odds you could say!

Chalmette man arrested after receiving steroids in mail

Lance Coppersmith

www.nola.com

Arkansas high school coach arrested for steroid trafficking

An Arkansas high school football coach has been arrested for allegedly trafficking steroids, putting his coaching future in jeopardy. As reported by Arkansas ABC/NBC affiliate KAIT, Paragould (Ark.) High School assistant football coach Dex Gardner was arrested by local police,…

usatodayhss.com

 

[Cherokee]

Chalmette man arrested after receiving steroids in mail

Lance Coppersmith

www.nola.com

Arkansas high school coach arrested for steroid trafficking

An Arkansas high school football coach has been arrested for allegedly trafficking steroids, putting his coaching future in jeopardy. As reported by Arkansas ABC/NBC affiliate KAIT, Paragould (Ark.) High School assistant football coach Dex Gardner was arrested by local police,…

usatodayhss.com

That was in

• PUBLISHED SEP 30, 2010 AT 4:10 AM

Also, he was arrested for intent to distribute.

 

[hometeam]

Yes. That's the way the law works. Coke, marijuana and heroin users only buy a small quantity at a time. And drug charges for distribution, even for steroids is based on that. So if you have a 3-4 month supply in your home you will be charged as a dealer.

The thing you're not realizing here is small busts don't make the news unless they are celebrities. And people facing possible prison time don't come to these forums and say "hey I ordered a bunch of stuff internationally and was busted."

 

[hometeam]

And the second article was in 2019

 

[hometeam]

Here's another from 2018, small order:

Report: Perkins man imported steroids from China

PERKINS TWP. — Police arrested a Perkins man this week after a months-long investigation found he allegedly imported steroids from China and prepared to sell the illegal substance, according to a police report.

sanduskyregister.com

 

[Cherokee]

And the second article was in 2019

The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration's National Household Survey on Drug Abuse determined 1,084,000 Americans, or 0.5 percent of the adult population, said that they had used anabolic steroids.

People on this board hear and see what's going on, and... your the only one who's been able to find anything. It's very rare

 

[Cherokee]

Here's another from 2018, small order:

Report: Perkins man imported steroids from China

PERKINS TWP. — Police arrested a Perkins man this week after a months-long investigation found he allegedly imported steroids from China and prepared to sell the illegal substance, according to a police report.

sanduskyregister.com

This guy had stickers and labels! He was definitely a dealer

and....
457 grams of powdered steroids and about 23. LOL

This is not a private individual buying this for himself!

 

[hometeam]

People on this board hear and see what's going on, and... your the only one who's been able to find anything. It's very rare

You just have to search for it. If it's seized they will contact your local police department or sheriffs dept and ask them if they want to do a controlled delivery. And at that point you either get a controlled delivery or a letter.

500 pills in a small town is much more likely to get a controlled delivery than a couple vials in Chicago. And they do operations from time to time too.

But to tell people that ordering domestic is a waste of money and ordering international has zero risk (or almost zero risk) is very, very foolish. I mean, we're talking felonies on your record and time in a penitentiary here. and lawyers fees and a wife or girlfriend or employer that knows you were arrested.

And steroids may not be a priority for them now but next month it might be. You just never know.

 

[hometeam]

This guy had stickers and labels! He was definitely a dealer

and....
457 grams of powdered steroids and about 23. LOL

This is not a private individual buying this for himself!

His order seized at customs was for 342 milligrams. Once they did the controlled delivery and searched his house they found more, which is the only reason it made the news.

 

[Cherokee]

You just have to search for it. If it's seized they will contact your local police department or sheriffs dept and ask them if they want to do a controlled delivery. And at that point you either get a controlled delivery or a letter.

500 pills in a small town is much more likely to get a controlled delivery than a couple vials in Chicago. And they do operations from time to time too.

But to tell people that ordering domestic is a waste of money and ordering international has zero risk (or almost zero risk) is very, very foolish. I mean, we're talking felonies on your record and time in a penitentiary here. And steroids may not be a priority for them now but next month it might be. You just never know.

When they are investigating a domestic lab, they can trace all the packages going in and out. They can pursue domestic buyers that way.

When they bust the lab, they will probably have access to all their orders they shipped.

Police in the USA will not have that info from out of country dealers usually.

Like I said, over a million users in the USA. Chance of getting struck by lightening.. 1 in 500,000.

 

[Cherokee]

His order seized at customs was for 342 milligrams. Once they did the controlled delivery and searched his house they found more, which is the only reason it made the news.

Police don't reveal everything to the Media. He may have been under investigation. And it sounds like there is a good chance he was, with the labels.

 

[hometeam]

When they are investigating a domestic lab, they can trace all the packages going in and out. They can pursue domestic buyers that way.

When they bust the lab, they will probably have access to all their orders they shipped.

Getting a warrant is a whole lot easier when they have seized illegal substances in hand, do a controlled delivery, and watch you take possession of said illegal substances than when they have hundreds/thousands of records of purchases that may be real or may have been messed with or may not have even been delivered or in your possession anymore.

Believe me, when I went through this whole ordeal I learned a whole lot about the law and even bought Rick Collins' steroid law book and had brief communication with him. If you value your personal freedom and you're going to do this, pay a few extra buck and order domestic. With the suppliers I've used it's about 20-40% more. And China is probably the absolute worst place to order from. They inspect those packages a bit more carefully. And you never know what you get from China.

 

[Cherokee]

Getting a warrant is a whole lot easier when they have seized illegal substances in

That guy was a dealer, they probably had him on a watch list, someone probably ratted on him.

hand, do a controlled delivery, and watch you take possession of said illegal substances than when they have records or purchases that may be real or may have been messed with or may not have even been delivered or in your possession anymore.

Believe me, when I went through this whole ordeal I learned a whole lot about the law and even bought Rick Collins' steroid law book and had brief communication with him. If you value your personal freedom and you're going to do this, pay a few extra buck and order domestic. With the suppliers I've used it's about 20-40% more. And China is probably the absolute worst place to order from. They inspect those packages a bit more carefully.

20-40% more? You gotta be kidding! haha

I paid $7 for a bottle of test from china, actually $70 for 10 bottles, no shipping fee's.

Show me anywhere you can get that 40% more domestic Not even including shipping and min order the domestic places force you to do.

I appreciate your info, but statistically.... seems about 1 in 500,000

 

[Degenerate]

For the people against international and only for domestic, does your opinion only apply to anabolics or does it also apply to say just getting international pharma AI, BP meds, cialis, etc.?

 

[hometeam]

I paid $7 for a bottle of test from china, actually $70 for 10 bottles, no shipping fee's.

Yeah I wouldn't expect it to be what exactly they claimed it to be, and sterile, and not contaminated. And you're very lucky the xray machine didn't catch those 10 vials in your package. They definately would've charged you for dealing.

 

[Cherokee]

Yeah I wouldn't expect it to be what exactly they claimed it to be, and sterile, and

Ahhh I see, so now you think only domestic stuff made in someones basement or garage is good! LOL ok

Well, people get this stuff tested all the time, and the lab reports are online.

not contaminated. And you're very lucky the xray machine didn't catch those 10 vials in your package. They definately would've charged you for dealing.

I had 60 all together. And like I said, statistically.. highly improbable.

Thousands of people visit these boards, they know local gym members. Out of all these people on here, you won't find one report of someone being busted for private use importing. Not one, except you. But you seem to be a little biased now, talking about purity, which buying domestic does not increase your chances of better purity at all. Sooo makes me wonder if you could even potentially be a domestic dealer trying to scare customs from buying from China at 1/5 to 1/10 what stuff costs domestically.

 

[hometeam]

Ahhh I see, so now you think only domestic stuff made in someones basement or garage is good! LOL ok

Well, people get this stuff tested all the time, and the lab reports are online.



I had 60 all together. And like I said, statistically.. highly improbable.

Thousands of people visit these boards, they know local gym members. Out of all these people on here, you won't find one report of someone being busted for private use importing. Not one, except you. But you seem to be a little biased now, talking about purity, which buying domestic does not increase your chances of better purity at all. Sooo makes me wonder if you could even potentially be a domestic dealer trying to scare customs from buying from China at 1/5 to 1/10 what stuff costs domestically.

There was a video on customs with the subtitles posted here. Here's part of it:
"Steve Nethersole: The first, when it comes in, is the country of origin. These high-end manufacturers here, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, they're coming from France, Italy, Spain. The watch is coming from Switzerland. When it's coming from China, bing, that's your No. 1 red flag. Then you look at the dilapidated boxes, so that's two red flags there. A third thing is commingling. The high-end manufacturers never commingle their products, like, in other words, a Gucci inside a Fendi or a Louis Vuitton. These people will stuff watches, a wallet, inside a handbag. And so, they'll never commingle their products. They are so precise. Some of the things I could say, like, some of the manufacturers, they don't put any of this in it, the filler, inside it. They would never do that. We'll look at the smell. Sometimes it smells like petroleum. It's not real leather. We look at the stitching. We look at the symmetry of the logos by the manufacturer, the zippers. This one here is a Coach bag with a Michael Kors zipper. This coat has "Burbelly" on the buttons instead of Burberry, so these are the comical things that we find when you look at it up close, and you could pick it right out."

Customs Video, uh oh!

Looks like they do red flag addy's: Here's how customs searches 1 million mail packages a day for drugs and counterfeit goods.

thinksteroids.com

But also in Rick Collins' book he mention most people getting arrested by ordering from China. And the Chinese are notorious for screwing their customers. You really have to get that stuff tested if it comes from there.

 

[hometeam]

Ahhh I see, so now you think only domestic stuff made in someones basement or garage is good! LOL ok

No the stuff I've ordered comes from Eastern Europe and people who've been doing it for 10-15 years and have reshippers in the US.

 

[Cherokee]

There was a video on custom with the subtitles posted here. Here's part of it:
"Steve Nethersole: The first, when it comes in, is the country of origin. These high-end manufacturers here, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, they're coming from France, Italy, Spain. The watch is coming from Switzerland. When it's coming from China, bing, that's your No. 1 red flag. Then you look at the dilapidated boxes, so that's two red flags there. A third thing is commingling. The high-end manufacturers never commingle their products, like, in other words, a Gucci inside a Fendi or a Louis Vuitton. These people will stuff watches, a wallet, inside a handbag. And so, they'll never commingle their products. They are so precise. Some of the things I could say, like, some of the manufacturers, they don't put any of this in it, the filler, inside it. They would never do that. We'll look at the smell. Sometimes it smells like petroleum. It's not real leather. We look at the stitching. We look at the symmetry of the logos by the manufacturer, the zippers. This one here is a Coach bag with a Michael Kors zipper. This coat has "Burbelly" on the buttons instead of Burberry, so these are the comical things that we find when you look at it up close, and you could pick it right out."

Customs Video, uh oh!

Looks like they do red flag addy's: Here's how customs searches 1 million mail packages a day for drugs and counterfeit goods.

thinksteroids.com

But also in Rick Collins' book he mention most people getting arrested by ordering from China. And the Chinese are notorious for screwing their customers. You really have to get that stuff tested if it comes from there.

Show me crime stats, DOJ records of private people getting busted for importing. I'm sure we could do a FOIA request with customs to see how many illegal steroids they intercept, and how many actually get arrested.

Like I said dude.... this website gets thousands of people on it, same with other sites. No one is getting arrested over privately importing personal use into the USA. You found one from 2019, and maybe a 2nd one who was not a dealer.

Have you ever had any dealing with the police? We have an employee probably selling drugs at our bar. Contacted the police, they are not even interested.

Ever tried to report a crime? cops don't want to piss with anything.

I contacted local law enforcement officials and schools asking.. have you ever caught a kid with illegal steroids. NEVER

How much you paying ? . How much a vial when you include shipping

The Chinese company I deal with has reshapers in the USA also. But I did not go that route. I'm not a dealer, get a warrant, I don't care, won't find anything. And..... I can't find any private people, on all these boards, on YouTube, etc, who have been prosecuted for private use importing of steroids. With possibly you, 20 years ago?