When should I increase Testosterone dose

[Isrrike]

How much growth did you use?

6-8iu Ed or 15 iu mwf

 

[malfeasance]

I would only use ai upon needing it. They are detrimental.
If you can get routine blood work and keep your liver values and your heart in check then no one is going to be able to stop you over the internet from what you intend to do anyway. Advice is keep your blood pressure under 135/85 as long as you can as once it’s over kidney damage starts to occur and it is not reversible like the liver. Keep on the cardio do not drink any alcohol don’t do any drugs. If you’re committed enough to take steroids you should be ready to be committed enough to avoid all other detriments to your health. All jokes aside this is the advice I can give you as I like you started at 16. I am 27 now just getting back on after a 3 year hiatus because of a heart condition thank god was reversible due to not listening to the veterans and starting very low and slow and working your way up. My condition was caused from abusing tren gh insulin and smoking cigarettes from 18-21 and never doing any cardio or taking cardio protective measures. This is a lesson that has changed all my future blasting procedures and I hope if you’re not gonna listen to anything I say please keep a careful watch over your organs your blood pressure your blood sugar and your heart rate. There’s no sense being big if you’re going to be in a casket by 45. Take care and stay safe

Haha definitely get an echo brother. I didn’t feel anything but a resting hr of 90+

This is the most interesting part of this thread.

Can you tell us a little more about this heart condition? What made you get checked out? Just the resting heart rate being high? No other symptoms?

What did the doctor say was the heart condition was? Did the echocardiogram diagnose it?

What did you do to fix the problem? Did you do another echocardiogram later?


Sorry for all the questions, but you never know whose life you might save.

 

[Isrrike]

This is the most interesting part of this thread.

Can you tell us a little more about this heart condition? What made you get checked out? Just the resting heart rate being high? No other symptoms?

What did the doctor say was the heart condition was? Did the echocardiogram diagnose it?

What did you do to fix the problem? Did you do another echocardiogram later?


Sorry for all the questions, but you never know whose life you might save.

Hey malf. Thanks for asking. I’m going to login to my hospitals patient portal and edit out my personal info and I cna post my mri with a description of everything.

 

[TrenTrenTren]

yeah I am not using for muscle I am using for inducing bone growth and facial masculinization. and I am 6ft1-6ft2 barefoot

I think it is going to work take a look at this for example

Testosterone-mediated sex differences in the face shape during adolescence: Subjective impressions and objective features | Request PDF

Request PDF | Testosterone-mediated sex differences in the face shape during adolescence: Subjective impressions and objective features | Sex identification of a face is essential for social cognition. Still, perceptual cues indicating the sex of a face, and mechanisms underlying... | Find, read...

www.researchgate.net

Testosterone affects sexually dimorphic facial morphology [20] [21]. In pubertal males, high T levels facilitate the lateral growth of the cheekbones, mandibles, and chin, the forward growth of the bones of the eyebrow ridges and the lengthening of the lower face leading to a more robust face shape

Face can only be influenced during puberty by Test because that is when the main facial masculinization is being done. I believe bone growth ends at 22-23 with most being done by 20.

View attachment 159049
Left = Average to High Levels of Androgens during puberty
Right = Low levels of androgens during puberty

look at the eye area, rounding jaw, brow ridge area causing rounding eyebrow etc. u can only influence this during puberty

Now Look at frame for example and the importance
View attachment 159048
Right = Very Levels of Testosterone during puberty
Left = Low levels of testosterone during puberty

u notice the left guy has decent amounts of muscle but a terrible frame makes him look narrow. He can never fix that because it is only influenced during puberty. having low androgens during puberty = over. right guy has massive rib cage, shoulders and natural frame. even comparing faces u can see the difference

Was I this dumb when I was 18? Yikes. I think I was

 

[Rido]

Was I this dumb when I was 18? Yikes. I think I was

I did dumb stuff, but I knew to avoid anabolics until 25.

 

[King04KID]

Was I this dumb when I was 18? Yikes. I think I was

? Over 100 replies and not once did you guys try to argue the science behind what I am doing you just keep saying it is dumb and a big risk. You are right on how it is a big risk but how is manipulating your hormones to have a better puberty and bone structure when your growth plates are open dumb?

 

[TrenTrenTren]

? Over 100 replies and not once did you guys try to argue the science behind what I am doing you just keep saying it is dumb and a big risk. You are right on how it is a big risk but how is manipulating your hormones to have a better puberty and bone structure when your growth plates are open dumb?

Why don't you allow yourself to naturally mature before you put any chemicals in your body?

Just an idea...

 

[King04KID]

Why don't you allow yourself to naturally mature before you put any chemicals in your body?

Just an idea...

When I am finished maturing I can not manipulate bone growth or clavicle growth because my growth plates are closed. They are open now so I can manipulate it meaning in theory they will be bigger than It would naturally if I let nature run its course and did not inject

 

[Rido]

? Over 100 replies and not once did you guys try to argue the science behind what I am doing you just keep saying it is dumb and a big risk. You are right on how it is a big risk but how is manipulating your hormones to have a better puberty and bone structure when your growth plates are open dumb?

We aren't here to interpret data for you. You are clearly an idiot who is a zyzz fanboy. His rapid growth and unsafe practices are a horrible role model for everyone out there.

He may have looked good but how does he look now? It's sad. But nobody should be doing what he did.

Undiagnosed heart issue? I think it's safer to assume cardiac issues from his unsafe lrwxtice

I would say to not run a cycle, but you already have and are clearly an idiot. Enjoy your fucked up endocrine system for years to come. You dont care what we have to say, only looking for someone to validate your stupidity

I hope your chiseled jaw looks good when your hormones are fucked, metabolic syndrome is in play, and you are wondering why your dick can't get up for the hooker in front of you.

 

[King04KID]

We aren't here to interpret data for you. You are clearly an idiot who is a zyzz fanboy. His rapid growth and unsafe practices are a horrible role model for everyone out there.

He may have looked good but how does he look now? It's sad. But nobody should be doing what he did.

Undiagnosed heart issue? I think it's safer to assume cardiac issues from his unsafe lrwxtice

I would say to not run a cycle, but you already have and are clearly an idiot. Enjoy your fucked up endocrine system for years to come. You dont care what we have to say, only looking for someone to validate your stupidity

I hope your chiseled jaw looks good when your hormones are fucked, metabolic syndrome is in play, and you are wondering why your dick can't get up for the hooker in front of you.

lol you compared me to zyzz who used hardcore party drugs and abused steroids, did no cardio, abused stimulants and cutting drugs which is terrible for the heart. btw his undiagnosed heart issue put his lifespan at 35 years old maximum meaning he was going to die young anyway so no it is not solely because of using steroids

I am on 250mg test a week not 1g like he was wtf are u talking about man? if I keep my E in check and dont crash it, donate blood and get a blood test which I am doing this month nothing will happen relax. i do hours of cardio weekly by playing sports dont compare me to zyzz he is inspirational but an idiot

 

[Anavarlover]

lol you compared me to zyzz who used hardcore party drugs and abused steroids, did no cardio, abused stimulants and cutting drugs which is terrible for the heart. btw his undiagnosed heart issue put his lifespan at 35 years old maximum meaning he was going to die young anyway so no it is not solely because of using steroids

I am on 250mg test a week not 1g like he was wtf are u talking about man? if I keep my E in check and dont crash it, donate blood and get a blood test which I am doing this month nothing will happen relax. i do hours of cardio weekly by playing sports dont compare me to zyzz he is inspirational but an idiot

Any changes so far to your body? Bump that testosterone dosage

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

Well I was banging your mom the other day and she said you were getting kinda small so you should increase it

 

[Rido]

lol you compared me to zyzz who used hardcore party drugs and abused steroids, did no cardio, abused stimulants and cutting drugs which is terrible for the heart. btw his undiagnosed heart issue put his lifespan at 35 years old maximum meaning he was going to die young anyway so no it is not solely because of using steroids

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You said you wanted to be like him, you underdeveloped clown.


How dense are you? Undiagnosed heart disease? They diagnosed it after all the steroids and party drugs? That's what people say to not take responsibility for their stupidity

Lol I can already imagine you writing this from your desk at school with that book basket underneath, you thinking how much of a bad ass you are.

You aren't just a dumb 18 year old. You are a fucking really dumb 18 year old. I hope nobody in your age group follows off your foot steps.

 

[King04KID]

You said you wanted to be like him, you underdeveloped clown.


How dense are you? Undiagnosed heart disease? They diagnosed it after all the steroids and party drugs? That's what people say to not take responsibility for their stupidity

Lol I can already imagine you writing this from your desk at school with that book basket underneath, you thinking how much of a bad ass you are.

You aren't just a dumb 18 year old. You are a fucking really dumb 18 year old. I hope nobody in your age group follows off your foot steps.

Lol at u barking for me and not knowing basic english and critical thinking

he had a undiagnosed congenital heart defect meaning his heart was already weak anyway. Congenital = present from birth. His lifestyle did not cause it and there is nothing he could do to stop it

He was going to die at a young age even if he lived a perfect life but the roids, cutting drugs, steroids, no cardio, party drugs, using drugs to cut water while being in a sauna (remember he died in a sauna) just made his lifespan even shorter and caused him to have a heart attack. if he was born healthy then he would still be alive right now despite his dog shit lifestyle and heavy drug use

 

[Rido]

he had a undiagnosed congenital heart defect meaning his heart was already weak anyway. Congenital = present from birth. His lifestyle did not cause it and there is nothing he could do to stop it

thats what people say when they dont want people to know that their stupidity caused their death.

Do you know what the diagnosis is? they wont release it because its private health information. It isnt that hard to say something like a "mitral valve defect". Instead they say "Congential heart defects" to not shame the family.

 

[Habib]

yeah I am not using for muscle I am using for inducing bone growth and facial masculinization. and I am 6ft1-6ft2 barefoot

I think it is going to work take a look at this for example

Testosterone-mediated sex differences in the face shape during adolescence: Subjective impressions and objective features | Request PDF

Request PDF | Testosterone-mediated sex differences in the face shape during adolescence: Subjective impressions and objective features | Sex identification of a face is essential for social cognition. Still, perceptual cues indicating the sex of a face, and mechanisms underlying... | Find, read...

www.researchgate.net

Testosterone affects sexually dimorphic facial morphology [20] [21]. In pubertal males, high T levels facilitate the lateral growth of the cheekbones, mandibles, and chin, the forward growth of the bones of the eyebrow ridges and the lengthening of the lower face leading to a more robust face shape

Face can only be influenced during puberty by Test because that is when the main facial masculinization is being done. I believe bone growth ends at 22-23 with most being done by 20.

View attachment 159049
Left = Average to High Levels of Androgens during puberty
Right = Low levels of androgens during puberty

look at the eye area, rounding jaw, brow ridge area causing rounding eyebrow etc. u can only influence this during puberty

Now Look at frame for example and the importance
View attachment 159048oy
Right = Very Levels of Testosterone during puberty
Left = Low levels of testosterone during puberty

u notice the left guy has decent amounts of muscle but a terrible frame makes him look narrow. He can never fix that because it is only influenced during puberty. having low androgens during puberty = over. right guy has massive rib cage, shoulders and natural frame. even comparing faces u can see the difference

your definately a user of incel.me or looksmax.org, i used to browse the forums for fun. its such a fucked up mentality, personality really does mean something to girls bro. its not 100% looks, more like 70. Theres nothing wrong with being an incel, it just means you need guideance and some help. you clearly do a lot of research. I started at 18/17 ill post pics showing my clavical growth later.

 

[M@NU]

He had a heart problem he would have been dead by early 30s anyway and he kept using stimulants and party drugs + the guy was in a sauna and used a drug to cut water weight imagine all the stress that had on his already deformed weak heart.

lol @ this xD
you really have no clue young man.
Nowadays you can live a long and almost normal life with huge heart issues.
I have heart insufficiency NYHA stage III and i more or less can live a normal life as long as i stick to some important rules (dont overhydrate, enough rest, dont overdo salt, no heavy excersise, no drug abuse etc.)
Zyzz could have also lived way longer if he didnt abuse shit (not only steroids but also recreational drugs, stimulants, diuretics etc.)
the medicine nowadays is so far advanced, it is no longer like 50 years ago where 50% of the heart insufficiency patients die within 5 years..
and trust me, i know my shit, ive talked to a dozen of cardiologist, some of them experts at good clinics

i just read the last page dicussion between you and @Cridi887 and boy, one can tell you are young, naive and have no clue of what you are talking about..

 

[Habib]

Before: No training age 17
Took Test/NPP did a recomp

My should:width ratio is 1.8-2:1 which makes it an elite level bodybuilding genetics frame. I could be as wide as David laid and tapered too because of the thin waist if I blasted enough tren.

Was a stupid idea to use steroids so young, I lost all the gains, gained fat and look like the before picture. I'm 21 and suffer from ED issues and am looking to get on TRT.

I'm gonna get back in shape as soon as I get out of the mental hospital.

But you're right, Clavical growth is #1 factor to a good physique and can only be widened in the teens with androgens or HGH. I could literally be a case study to the science that days androgens during teens enhanced Clavical growth and facial growth. Just measure the Clavical:waist ratio in the second pic and It will be 2:1 or more.

There probably are a lot of old school older dudes bashing you because they wish they started younger. Look at the facial gains too, I got a full beard as well.

I wish people understood it's 2020 and young people have pressure to take roids even though there is so much stigma. People buy roids the day they hit the gym, they run a gram of Tren ect ect. Better help this young man, hes been influenced by the toxic incel community.

 

[Habib]

Before: No training age 17
Took Test/NPP did a recomp

My should:width ratio is 1.8-2:1 which makes it an elite level bodybuilding genetics frame. I could be as wide as David laid and tapered too because of the thin waist if I blasted enough tren.

Was a stupid idea to use steroids so young, I lost all the gains, gained fat and look like the before picture. I'm 21 and suffer from ED issues and am looking to get on TRT.

I'm gonna get back in shape as soon as I get out of the mental hospital.

But you're right, Clavical growth is #1 factor to a good physique and can only be widened in the teens with androgens or HGH. I could literally be a case study to the science that days androgens during teens enhanced Clavical growth and facial growth. Just measure the Clavical:waist ratio in the second pic and It will be 2:1 or more.

There probably are a lot of old school older dudes bashing you because they wish they started younger. Look at the facial gains too, I got a full beard as well.

I wish people understood it's 2020 and young people have pressure to take roids even though there is so much stigma. People buy roids the day they hit the gym, they run a gram of Tren ect ect. Better help this young man, hes been influenced by the toxic incel community.

For those saying it was a fail cycle (or will say inevitably), it was (/wasn't; depends) worth it for the bone growth alone. Can only get that during the teens.
@King04KID

 

[Isrrike]

I don’t think you should have used dnp