Micronized TNE (test) in oil? Why make suspension?

[klokke23]

I see a lot of brews on TNE, and they're all in suspension it seems. Is this because you can't hold it at any reasonable concentration in oil?

Panda offers TNE and TNE micronized. Not sure what this accomplished but I bought it. Hoping a simple BB MCT recipe will be sufficient. Getting the chemicals I see some people use for the suspensions are a real pain here.

 

[origamiwizard8]

I see a lot of brews on TNE, and they're all in suspension it seems. Is this because you can't hold it at any reasonable concentration in oil?

Panda offers TNE and TNE micronized. Not sure what this accomplished but I bought it. Hoping a simple BB MCT recipe will be sufficient. Getting the chemicals I see some people use for the suspensions are a real pain here.

Micronized is ideal for suspension as it ideally won't clog smaller needles when pinning. I ordered Panda micronized Test Base but it still has clumps, maybe due to moisture idk, it has a flour-like consistency, like creatine. I'll use a pestle and mortar before brewing the suspension.

I believe you can brew Test Base in standard oil and solvents, but there's a chance of crashing where you'll have to reheat it. It's a pain in the ass having to reheat the gear, it smells terrible, and has bad pip.

You would probably need Guaiacol to make a brew that holds at room temp, but I discourage using it for health reasons, causes a lot of inflammation, might even eat the stoppers off your syringes :0

 

[hijoshiki]

If you could brew it at say 50mg/ml with BB. Heat it and divide it into small vials. That would allow you to heat up a small volume of oil each time you use it to resuspend it so the compound wouldn't deteriorate.

This is what I do with Test Base and I do this with my Test Ace as well as both of my recipes crash using BB. In the case of Ace it do it at 100mg/ml, it's completely crashed if the vial sits for a week.

It's really just a matter of getting it into the syringe while it's warm and injecting it.

Test suspension just isn't safe by my standards for injection and since I had a recent abscess I would never take chances with it. I want to run everything through a filter before I inject. And I don't like using nasty solvents.

 

[notanothersnake]

If you could brew it at say 50mg/ml with BB. Heat it and divide it into small vials. That would allow you to heat up a small volume of oil each time you use it to resuspend it so the compound wouldn't deteriorate.

This is what I do with Test Base and I do this with my Test Ace as well as both of my recipes crash using BB. In the case of Ace it do it at 100mg/ml, it's completely crashed if the vial sits for a week.

It's really just a matter of getting it into the syringe while it's warm and injecting it.

Test suspension just isn't safe by my standards for injection and since I had a recent abscess I would never take chances with it. I want to run everything through a filter before I inject. And I don't like using nasty solvents.

Mig840 and 35% bb

 

[Eman]

Suspension is just easier to make but I've found it to be painful as fuck... and not that heavy hitting.

Oil is better all around but it's a very advanced compound to make. I've gotten 100mg to hold but it's a serious pain in the ass... it's the only compound that I've made that I find you need to have very hot, definitely needs heavy solvent ratios. Test base is one of my favorites, but I started making it in a DMSO gel instead that is even better IMO. Hits fast and hard.

 

[notanothersnake]

Suspension is just easier to make but I've found it to be painful as fuck... and not that heavy hitting.

Oil is better all around but it's a very advanced compound to make. I've gotten 100mg to hold but it's a serious pain in the ass... it's the only compound that I've made that I find you need to have very hot, definitely needs heavy solvent ratios. Test base is one of my favorites, but I started making it in a DMSO gel instead that is even better IMO. Hits fast and hard.

That's interesting!! I'm curious about that now

 

[origamiwizard8]

Test suspension just isn't safe by my standards for injection and since I had a recent abscess I would never take chances with it. I want to run everything through a filter before I inject. And I don't like using nasty solvents.

Sorry to hear that bro, I'm dealing with that in my shoulder rn and it's fucking miserable.

 

[hijoshiki]

Mig840 and 35% bb

Yes I've used Mig in the past and recommend it with BB also to avoid the nastier solvents that you don't want to inject.

 

[klokke23]

If you could brew it at say 50mg/ml with BB. Heat it and divide it into small vials. That would allow you to heat up a small volume of oil each time you use it to resuspend it so the compound wouldn't deteriorate.

This is what I do with Test Base and I do this with my Test Ace as well as both of my recipes crash using BB. In the case of Ace it do it at 100mg/ml, it's completely crashed if the vial sits for a week.

It's really just a matter of getting it into the syringe while it's warm and injecting it.

Test suspension just isn't safe by my standards for injection and since I had a recent abscess I would never take chances with it. I want to run everything through a filter before I inject. And I don't like using nasty solvents.

Sounds good. But once you inject it, and the temperature of the compound goes down. Will it not crystallize and be really painful?

 

[hijoshiki]

Sounds good. But once you inject it, and the temperature of the compound goes down. Will it not crystallize and be really painful?

I doubt it would crystallize, the body temp is almost 99F.

Oil injected into the body, into some area with capillaries is gonna transport into the blood stream pretty fast.

 

[klokke23]

I might just go with liquid DMSO.

It will only be used for meet days anyway.

 

[Type-IIx]

No real benefit to water-based, as @mike-xxx says, it's far less sanitary. Water-based solutions are characterized by a biphasic delivery profile (pharmacokinetics), with early peak concentration of testosterone due to absorption of testosterone in solution from the formulation, and the second and subsequent peaks due to dissolution of testosterone from the solid material from the suspension. TNE (oil-based) would have a smoother delivery profile, and both TNE (oil) and test suspension (aqueous) result in reduced fluid retention in the body (vs. on the extreme end, T undecanoate).

 

[Monkipalo]

No real benefit to water-based, as @mike-xxx says, it's far less sanitary. Water-based solutions are characterized by a biphasic delivery profile (pharmacokinetics), with early peak concentration of testosterone due to absorption of testosterone in solution from the formulation, and the second and subsequent peaks due to dissolution of testosterone from the solid material from the suspension. TNE (oil-based) would have a smoother delivery profile, and both TNE (oil) and test suspension (aqueous) result in reduced fluid retention in the body (vs. on the extreme end, T undecanoate).

So you hold less water with shorter esters? I thought that was shit bro science

 

[jJjburton]

Would winstrol micronized work with DMSO?