Bulking advice (Testosterone or NPP)

[AbstractMind]

EQ has me the same way. I started out at 1:1 EQ:test and once the half-lives caught up my E2 was crashed as shit. I’m still trying to find the sweet spot but it’s sure as shit less than 1:1.

There is no worse feeling then crashed E2 lol I don’t plan on ever touching the stuff again. There’s too many drugs out there that work without making me feel like dookie. Luckily my runs were all of Bold Cyp and not the longer ester. How about yours?

 

[Drexyl]

Zachary already nailed what I was going to add, 750mg a week of test, in my opinion is pretty massive. Everyone is different, but for me I try to cap my testosterone around 500mg weekly. I'll add additional compounds for the specific actions I'm looking for whether it be to aid dietary adjustments for cutting or bulking. The only thing I'd say is have caber on hand for prolactin emergencies, but when you start the nandralone also add 300mg daily of B6 to your intake. You may need to go higher, but 300mg is a great starting point and clinically proven. Best wishes buddy.

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

You’ll grow much more with nandrolone on whatever ester you choose, It’s going to be way more tissue selective than test. For the doses your looking at tho get something to control that prolactin p5p and caber.

 

[EamonDeValera]

Deca dick? Is that when you get blisters on your dick on nand?
I'm on my first npp cycle right now and my libido is so high I've gotten slight blisters on my dick from jacking off so much.

Damn you serious?

What dosages you running?

 

[klokke23]

Damn you serious?

What dosages you running?

420 NPP
455 Test
I started using lube so it's np atm

 

[Deskoze38192]

420 NPP
455 Test
I started using lube so it's np atm

Pussys are self lubricating, just sayin lol

That being said I’m having the same results with my first run NPP
My test dose higher then NPP by about 1/3 and I’m running 475mg/w Primo
Libido is through the roof

 

[effswithtren]

There is no worse feeling then crashed E2 lol I don’t plan on ever touching the stuff again. There’s too many drugs out there that work without making me feel like dookie. Luckily my runs were all of Bold Cyp and not the longer ester. How about yours?

I’ve always ran regular EQ. I want to do bold cyp so I can dial it in for E2 but EQ is so much cheaper, can be made a lot more concentrated, and has a lot less pip. I’m guessing on the last one since I’ve never tried it, but I hear it a lot about bold cyp and EQ is almost universally smooth. It’s even common to be used as a cutter with other things with PIP.

In my perfect world bold cyp would cost the same and have similar pip, but as it is I’m still fucking around figuring out EQ:test ratios and messing with ridiculous front loading schedules. Eventually I’ll probably throw up my hands and give up this silly endeavor lol

 

[Terra]

Zachary already nailed what I was going to add, 750mg a week of test, in my opinion is pretty massive. Everyone is different, but for me I try to cap my testosterone around 500mg weekly. I'll add additional compounds for the specific actions I'm looking for whether it be to aid dietary adjustments for cutting or bulking. The only thing I'd say is have caber on hand for prolactin emergencies, but when you start the nandralone also add 300mg daily of B6 to your intake. You may need to go higher, but 300mg is a great starting point and clinically proven. Best wishes buddy.

Why B6:

 

[Drexyl]

It's very effective for prolactin control. Everyone is different and needs to find their sweet spot, we're not talking multivitamin dosages, for me 300-400mg does the job. Some will need to go higher, but I don't run high dosages.

 

[barbell001]

Add in the NPP rather than upping the Test, upping the test will barely do anything other than give you a bit more energy but will make no difference to size. The next step in the chain is to add in some Dbol if you really want to bulk and get strong, plus feel awesome at the same time Lol

 

[klokke23]

will make no difference to size.

That's a bit of a stretch I think.

 

[God&Gainz]

There is no worse feeling then crashed E2 lol I don’t plan on ever touching the stuff again. There’s too many drugs out there that work without making me feel like dookie. Luckily my runs were all of Bold Cyp and not the longer ester. How about yours?

Crashed E2 is fucking awful bro. Literally changed who I was as an individual. Lost motivation to do anything but sleep and just felt like shit the entire time. Took me a month to catch on and another month to rebound and feel normal. Wouldn't wish it on anyone.

There should be a sticky on this. I was among those when I first started who thought estrogen was the devil from all the horror stories about gyno and limp dick online and overused AIs. Now I let my E2 ride high and feel much better.

 

[barbell001]

That's a bit of a stretch I think.

An extra 250mg of Test per week?

 

[klokke23]

An extra 250mg of Test per week?

Yes. An extra fucking 250 mg of test per week does nothing but "a bit more energy"? God that's rich.

 

[barbell001]

Yes. An extra fucking 250 mg of test per week does nothing but "a bit more energy"? God that's rich.

Wow you get this wound up over what 250mg of test does?

What dose of test do you normally run then. educate me expert.

 

[barbell001]

420 NPP
455 Test
I started using lube so it's np atm

You run kiddy cycles then - come back when you hit puberty.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Do what I did and run a gram of deca only...virtually zero sides, no deca dick, no high blood pressure; I did a whole post about it on cycle logs. I did add Drol for like 19 days, but then dropped it, as it was giving me sides. But the point of the experiment was, you don't need test to grow, and you can avoid sides, including bloating. I also kept every ounce I gained when I got off as well. Currently cutting right now.

Mike Mentzer would run 900mg of NPP only.

 

[EamonDeValera]

420 NPP
455 Test
I started using lube so it's np atm

That’s what bjs are for

 

[EamonDeValera]

Do what I did and run a gram of deca only...virtually zero sides, no deca dick, no high blood pressure; I did a whole post about it on cycle logs. I did add Drol for like 19 days, but then dropped it, as it was giving me sides. But the point of the experiment was, you don't need test to grow, and you can avoid sides, including bloating. I also kept every ounce I gained when I got off as well. Currently cutting right now.

Mike Mentzer would run 900mg of NPP only.

Nah I’m a complete novice but that seems like a bad idea.

No testosterone with the nand?

That’s chemical castration.

 

[EamonDeValera]

Let’s do both!