Does anyone know how many vials of finished gear it takes to be looked at as a felony vs a misdemeanor? I know under 28g in the US is a misdemeanor but how would that be calculated with vials? From my understanding, LE does not use ML x MG for measuring out the gram amounts in the vials.
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Finished gear legality - felony vs misdemeanor.
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Megadick3000
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Good question.
I know with cocaine and other drugs in solid form there is no discrepancy for purity. Meaning 1kg of a powder with 1% cocaine content (technically only 10g of cocaine) would be prosecuted as 1kg of cocaine. 1kg of cocaine that was 99% pure (990g of cocaine) would also be prosecuted as 1kg of cocaine. Its obvious which one has better risk:reward.
Based on that i must assume that for liquids contaning ANY detectable quantity of a steroid, prosecution would be based on the weight of the liquid. If the liquid in the vial weighed 100g and had ANY detectable quantity of a steroid in it you would be prosecuted as posessing 100g of that steroid. You would face the same charge if you had 100g of the 99% pure steroid raw powder. Obviously the risk:reward ratio is far more favorable to have the pure raw powder verse the 100g of liquid that contains far less AAS yet has the same legal consequence.
However i could be wrong on that, but per my understanding, at least with respect to drugs in a solid state, thats how it works. Maybe its different for liquids but i dont believe it is.
K1ngufk1ngs
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I would assume that with raws they would tack on intent to distribute. And if you had more than one vial of each liquid and several storage spots you would get the same. Us is really fucked on how they throw the book at you without investigating the actual situation.
Pineapples4Puss
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This is how they used to treat edibles as well.
Cartridges too. Just weight the whole box or the whole brownie. Complete bullshit tbh.
ImHereForBothReasons
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It was (I imagine in non-legal states it still is) common to see them weigh the whole marijuan plants, roots, clumps of dirt, everything, and claim to have seized pounds off of some shitty teens first grow that was maybe going to yield an ounce of flower.
ImHereForBothReasons
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I known in some states the amount doesn’t matter. If the prosecutor wants to go after you (often they don’t, for “reasons”) you’re screwed because steroids in those states are classified as “dangerous drugs” and a felony at any amount.
If this is true then the safest way to operate for basic self users would be to order less than 28g of raws at a time to keep it to a misdemeanor. Why do people say its less risky to buy finished injectables?
The numbers would be inflated to include the weight of the vial in order to easier get a felony charge.
I have seen felony charges stick to idiots selling fake cocaine. Several states have a counterfeit controlled substance law on the books, depending on the state it might be a felony or misdemeanor. There will probably also be some kind of intent to distribute charge too.
Megadick3000
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They can charge you with whatever. In court, a lawyer on your side may try to pursuade the judge that its really only 250mg/ml/10ml and that a typical users cycle is Xmg so the vial(s) would only last X weeks and are consistent with personal use.
Now will a judge listen and cast judgement accordingly? Thats a whole other question and would depend on the judge.
Bit the prosecution will probably try and charge you with the most severe offense possible.
So if they do count any detectable quantity as drugs and the total weight of everything as the charge then you better hope you get a good lawyer who can talk some sense into the situation.
Units of delivery is how my state prosecutes for anabolics.
It's based on a scale, usually 100+ units of delivery is a felony in just about any state.
Each state can set what a UOD is:
25mg of raws.
1ml of oil.
X number of pills, perhaps 30 pills is enough to be charged with a felony.
Oregon appears to be the most progressive state with regards to possession.
Inbred Religious Bible belt bumble fuck states are the absolute worst. The more Christians you have the more dumb shits with the "just say no" motto".
Don't travel with gear, don't tell anyone about your stash including your wife and kids. This has to be kept secret at all times, you can't trust anyone including family members that blab. If you must travel it is double locked up in a heavy gauge steel box in the back trunk. Keep your vehicle spotless and keep yourself clean cut, clean shaven, you want to look like you're military. Hippies, long beards, smokers, dirty looking are gonna get the K9 false alert.
It's based on a scale, usually 100+ units of delivery is a felony in just about any state.
Each state can set what a UOD is:
25mg of raws.
1ml of oil.
X number of pills, perhaps 30 pills is enough to be charged with a felony.
Oregon appears to be the most progressive state with regards to possession.
Inbred Religious Bible belt bumble fuck states are the absolute worst. The more Christians you have the more dumb shits with the "just say no" motto".
Don't travel with gear, don't tell anyone about your stash including your wife and kids. This has to be kept secret at all times, you can't trust anyone including family members that blab. If you must travel it is double locked up in a heavy gauge steel box in the back trunk. Keep your vehicle spotless and keep yourself clean cut, clean shaven, you want to look like you're military. Hippies, long beards, smokers, dirty looking are gonna get the K9 false alert.
God&Gainz
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Seriously bro.
I've been pulled over with cocaine in the vehicle more times than my heart can take.
Only thing that got me away was saying officer over and over and my usual apparel of slacks, dress shirt, and dress shoes.
Glad I get gear delivered to my door and I'm done with that useless bullshit.
3Th3osis3
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This is ridiculous and I can't imagine live somewhere like that.
If someone sends you 1kg of sugar named 'Cocaine' and you get caught you'll be prosecuted for 1 kg of Coke? How do you guys allow that to happen???
We don't allow it to happen, the war on drugs allows it to happen.
Our legislators that are extreme religious zealots and incapable of critical thinking respond with a sledgehammer whenever they see a mosquito.
There's no way we can fix this problem, as the years roll on these buttfucks that represent us remain sadistic and cruel, they get a hard-on destroying lives. These are people that have never experienced real life, but they think themselves as having the key to all our problems and that solution is a terror campaign of maximum pain and punishment, a scorched earth. In the past they were the guys that tossed freshly decapitated heads out into the cheering crowd, today they are our congressman and senators.
Our representatives are really just entertainers, they'll do whatever it takes to titillate the crowd, if they ruin peoples lives that satisfies a deep urge many of our citizens crave as they are of poor genetic European stock, we were the idiots that Europeans told either get on the ship and gtfo or you're going to the gallows.
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Megadick3000
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No probably not, but with conditions:
1) if you believed/intended you were receiving 1kg of cocaine even though what you got was 100% sugar, yes your guilty at the very least for conspiracy charges
2) if the sugar had any detectable quantity of cocaine in it, then you received 1kg of cocaine in the eyes of the law
3) if you sold someone 1kg of sugar saying it was cocaine, in the eyes of the law you sold a kg of cocaine even if there was not a single molecule of cocaine involved
In conspiracy charges just trying is guilty, you dont need to succeed with the criminal act. So if for example i call you and im like “bro sell me a kilo of cocaine” and the cops had the phone line tapped they could bust through the door seconds after the call and arrest me for conspiracy to posess cocaine for the purpose of trafficking, even though i never even had the chance to go pickup the cocaine from you. I was conspiring to do it, and that in and of itself is a crime.
But for the sake of prosecution conviction success, they prefer the actual charge over the conspiracy charge, as a good lawyer can have an easier time defending me against a conspiracy charge verse me being caught physically holding a kilo of cocaine.
In your opinion what would you consider safer then? According to the law a raw order of under 28g is a misdemeanor and vials are up to the court/law I guess? If they weighed the whole vial it would be a felony and 28g of raws would still be a misdemeanor making it literally less risky. Is this really the case? Does anyone know?
Megadick3000
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Not sure. If you really want the answer consider consulting with a criminal defense lawyer, as im only speculating on how they would react to finished steroid product.
You could also look at existing criminal cases involving finished steroids and how they determined the charges.
I cant seem to find any cases that aren't distribution related. Ive spent hours looking for how units of liquid are measured etc and cant seem to determine anything.
theotherguy
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Lack of clarity plays in favor of the government. If the laws are unclear, the prosecution and the govt will use that to their advantage to interpret however they please
Maybe. You have to also take into account that having raws could leave you open to catching a manufacturing charge.
I have a tough time believing that having a dozen vials of test is worse than getting popped with raws and what's needed to make them into gear that can actually be used. YMMV
