Golden age of aas

[Malphas]

Wasn't it really close to 50/50 though? And lots of people who voted for brexit later regreted it, saying they were fooled or something? And weren't mostly the conservatives and older gens who voted for brexit?

The vote was close to 50/50 but that's only the people that bothered to vote. Generally people that are more political and likely to vote are likely to be pro-EU. The majority of people that didn't vote are fairly nonpolitical but naturally harbor views that are contrary to the aims of EU, like freedom of movement. I think the overall sentiment of the country is still anti-EU, especially after the way the EU has behaved towards the UK, post-brexit.

 

[Inspired]

Wasn't it really close to 50/50 though? And lots of people who voted for brexit later regreted it, saying they were fooled or something? And weren't mostly the conservatives and older gens who voted for brexit?

I don't know. There's so much propaganda. The mainstream media pretty much lies about absolutely everything and most votes are rigged. So if the "powers that be" allowed this vote to go through, it's likely they were unable to rig the vote, due to overwhelming voter turnout (which couldn't be suppressed). That's my guess. And remember, a lot of people talk one way, but vote another way in secret.

 

[Type-IIx]

I disagree - I believe we're in a very low point in the cycle, I'd describe the current state as a relative dark age for AAS.

From the recent takeover of Balkan Pharmaceuticals (and the gutting of its synthetic AAS manufacturing), to the Russian Federation legislation prohibiting non-prescription sale of rhGH even prior to this Ukraine situation that has literally made them a worldwide pariah and closed to trade (Russia was an important source country for pharmaceutical anabolic agents), to the nascent intentions of other important source countries (once firmly under the Russian federation's sphere of influence) to join the EU and adopt its comprehensive regulatory scheme (e.g., Moldova, Bulgaria).

The 1980s were the pinnacle of legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens (the 1960s-70s were important for the research and development of novel anabolic/androgenic steroids and the work done towards dissociating the two properties). The 1990s ushered in prohibition and the WADA mandate against AAS. The 2000s offered some glimmers of hope, during the Designer Steroid Era (THG, 4-diols, 19-nor-diols, 17alpha-methyl analogues, 1-Testo) with the likes of Patrick Arnold and other chemists applying their skills to development of novel anabolic compounds. The early 2010s were a positive inflection point, in the market forces that spurred Chinese export of raws & in the US, the "anti-aging" clinic.

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

I would say we are in the golden age off aas and bodybuildingom related supplements and not vice versa as some other thread was trying to point to.

Quality source's popping up left and right ... Everybody testing their gear.

Pharma meds available at cheap prices, chinese bulk shippers offering everything you'd ever consider needing and more at stupidly low prices with shipping that doesn't get seized ...

Super meticulous brewers of quality aas that test everything they make and independent reviewers confirming those results ...

Quality GH at the lowest price point ever ...

List goes on. And all of this over clear net mind you. We are in the golden age, appreciate it fellas. It has never been this easy getting quality gear. And sources have never been this professional and trustworthy. Almost feeling like I'll jinx it by writing this.

DO y'all remember how it was 10 or so years back? Ordering from some stupid ass site like napsgear or something, having zero to no comms and hopping that you'll get some untested, unknown para pharma or what not gear in 2 to 4 weeks time ...

Yeah it’s great isn’t it.

We have to give props to the Chinese for making it so readily available.

Big players in the game for supporting drop shipping services and a great forum to point us in the right direction.

A strong community and nothing can be broken.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

I disagree - I believe we're in a very low point in the cycle, I'd describe the current state as a relative dark age for AAS.

From the recent takeover of Balkan Pharmaceuticals (and the gutting of its synthetic AAS manufacturing), to the Russian Federation legislation prohibiting non-prescription sale of rhGH even prior to this Ukraine situation that has literally made them a worldwide pariah and closed to trade (Russia was an important source country for pharmaceutical anabolic agents), to the nascent intentions of other important source countries (once firmly under the Russian federation's sphere of influence) to join the EU and adopt its comprehensive regulatory scheme (e.g., Moldova, Bulgaria).

The 1980s were the pinnacle of legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens (the 1960s-70s were important for the research and development of novel anabolic/androgenic steroids and the work done towards dissociating the two properties). The 1990s ushered in prohibition and the WADA mandate against AAS. The 2000s offered some glimmers of hope, during the Designer Steroid Era (THG, 4-diols, 19-nor-diols, 17alpha-methyl analogues, 1-Testo) with the likes of Patrick Arnold and other chemists applying their skills to development of novel anabolic compounds. The early 2010s were a positive inflection point, in the market forces that spurred Chinese export of raws & in the US, the "anti-aging" clinic.

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

Yeah make a good point.

A lot of my purchases before the conflict were sourced from Estonia, Russia and Kazakhstan but they’ve shut up shop, one of the vendors relocated to Germany.

 

[1tank1]

I disagree - I believe we're in a very low point in the cycle, I'd describe the current state as a relative dark age for AAS.

From the recent takeover of Balkan Pharmaceuticals (and the gutting of its synthetic AAS manufacturing), to the Russian Federation legislation prohibiting non-prescription sale of rhGH even prior to this Ukraine situation that has literally made them a worldwide pariah and closed to trade (Russia was an important source country for pharmaceutical anabolic agents), to the nascent intentions of other important source countries (once firmly under the Russian federation's sphere of influence) to join the EU and adopt its comprehensive regulatory scheme (e.g., Moldova, Bulgaria).

The 1980s were the pinnacle of legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens (the 1960s-70s were important for the research and development of novel anabolic/androgenic steroids and the work done towards dissociating the two properties). The 1990s ushered in prohibition and the WADA mandate against AAS. The 2000s offered some glimmers of hope, during the Designer Steroid Era (THG, 4-diols, 19-nor-diols, 17alpha-methyl analogues, 1-Testo) with the likes of Patrick Arnold and other chemists applying their skills to development of novel anabolic compounds. The early 2010s were a positive inflection point, in the market forces that spurred Chinese export of raws & in the US, the "anti-aging" clinic.

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

Excellent response.
I think for a lot of guys these days who perhaps only started gear after 2010 and the underground explosion......UGL gear is really all they know and understand now coz that's the norm to that/this generation.

The impact from all these global changes is having different effects within target countries but IMO supply issues are going to get steadily worse over the upcoming years regardless of if you're UK, USA, EU, or Int.

The scene is far too commercial and over advertised these days and that's the driving force behind constant global pressures towards buying online drugs and new legislations coming into effect.

Governments don't like seeing people make big profit and avoid paying taxes so medicines/drugs have now become a political game.

 

[Jin23]

Excellent response.
I think for a lot of guys these days who perhaps only started gear after 2010 and the underground explosion......UGL gear is really all they know and understand now coz that's the norm to that/this generation.

The impact from all these global changes is having different effects within target countries but IMO supply issues are going to get steadily worse over the upcoming years regardless of if you're UK, USA, EU, or Int.

The scene is far too commercial and over advertised these days and that's the driving force behind constant global pressures towards buying online drugs and new legislations coming into effect.

Governments don't like seeing people make big profit and avoid paying taxes so medicines/drugs have now become a political game.

Why do you think that we'll have problems with supply issues?

 

[Liska]

Why do you think that we'll have problems with supply issues?

because his brain has oxygen supply issues

 

[1tank1]

Why do you think that we'll have problems with supply issues?

Main reason......customs getting more and more strict about import/export between countries if no duty/tax is being paid on those goods. It's the Governments that will keep pushing for more stringency from customs as they continue their fight to regulate online medicines/aas and implement new legislations to keep making it harder and harder to buy without risking serious prosecution and criminal charges.

There's very little chance that the supply will ever actually totally stop though coz people will always find ways to get medicines in and out of countries if there's enough profit to be made.....but the supply situation has already changed massively from what is was 10-20 years ago (especially for UK).

I can't speak on behalf of other countries coz I don't follow their foreign affairs too closely but I'm already aware of many changes happening in China and also across EU.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions though but the proof is always in the pudding. Time will tell just like it always has and always will...

 

[Gigantic]

I agree. I already did my first cycle without really knowing wtf I was doing, but I did a lot of research and corrected my mistakes.

At first, I had people telling me to visit all the usual scam sources… and then I discovered this board. Sources everywhere, testing everywhere… cheap as fuck GH… I’m having a good time getting quality gear.

 

[Gigantic]

I disagree - I believe we're in a very low point in the cycle, I'd describe the current state as a relative dark age for AAS.

From the recent takeover of Balkan Pharmaceuticals (and the gutting of its synthetic AAS manufacturing), to the Russian Federation legislation prohibiting non-prescription sale of rhGH even prior to this Ukraine situation that has literally made them a worldwide pariah and closed to trade (Russia was an important source country for pharmaceutical anabolic agents), to the nascent intentions of other important source countries (once firmly under the Russian federation's sphere of influence) to join the EU and adopt its comprehensive regulatory scheme (e.g., Moldova, Bulgaria).

The 1980s were the pinnacle of legal and widespread commercial availability of pharmaceutical androgens (the 1960s-70s were important for the research and development of novel anabolic/androgenic steroids and the work done towards dissociating the two properties). The 1990s ushered in prohibition and the WADA mandate against AAS. The 2000s offered some glimmers of hope, during the Designer Steroid Era (THG, 4-diols, 19-nor-diols, 17alpha-methyl analogues, 1-Testo) with the likes of Patrick Arnold and other chemists applying their skills to development of novel anabolic compounds. The early 2010s were a positive inflection point, in the market forces that spurred Chinese export of raws & in the US, the "anti-aging" clinic.

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

This is a very interesting response… I am glad to hear a different side of the story. Thanks for your perspective.

 

[1tank1]

At first, I had people telling me to visit all the usual scam sources…

That's one thing I really hate about the attitude on a lot forums now that never used to exist before.

Either give someone advice about a good source hook up or don't give them any advice at all if you don't wanna help .....but don't point guys in the direction of known scammers so they lose their fucking money

It's not funny and it's not a game for big egos....

 

[Rido]

I'd characterize the 2020s (characterized by internet gurus, widespread balkanization of information behind paywalls, Reddit, YouTube, fragmentation and data overload; rise of the smartphone experts; TRT) as the worst time since immediately post-ORD.

Speaking as a guru(not srs) after nearly 2 cycles, I can confirm this.

 

[MindlessWork]

I fucking hated western union. Dumb kids at the counter always fucking up the receiver names. CIM was always nice.

But now the clerk demands your ID (and life story) before putting in the transaction. MG and WU are really the vanguard of crackdowns so the only way for payment is crypto or CIM.

 

[MindlessWork]

Why do you think that we'll have problems with supply issues?

I also believe there may be an ORD 2.0 soon...color me paranoid.

 

[NihilistNick]

I'm an Meso original. I'm pretty sure when I joined under an account I've long since lost there was a different type of board.

Rsoc, satchboogie, Proline, oscaro, BFA.

 

[1tank1]

I'm an Meso original. I'm pretty sure when I joined under an account I've long since lost there was a different type of board.

Rsoc, satchboogie, Proline, oscaro, BFA.

Totally different crowd on here now bro.

The names saatchboogie and oscaro make me feel nostalgic about the early days on the bbing forums

 

[NihilistNick]

Totally different crowd on here now bro.

The names saatchboogie and oscaro make me feel nostalgic about the early days on the bbing forums

Oh yea. I thought this place was done after Red Star of China got popped.

 

[1tank1]

Oh yea. I thought this place was done after Red Star of China got popped.

Things aren't the same on Meso anymore bro and the scene/vibe has totally changed.
I came back about 9 months ago after a long break off the forums but it's a bit weird/childish on here now tbh....

Still trying to figure it all out....

 

[Jin23]

Things aren't the same on Meso anymore bro and the scene/vibe has totally changed.
I came back about 9 months ago after a long break off the forums but it's a bit weird/childish on here now tbh....

Still trying to figure it all out....

Lot's of first or second timers, acting like amped up adhd children.