Mads
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Do you find that you have to up the dosage with time? I do the pre and post aswell.
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Trenmike
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When you said humalog and hgh during post workout you mean that you inject booth at the same time ?
I've used GH and slin on/off for years. IMO the GH was a great fat cutter and it "matures" your muscles. Does it grow new size? I have found it only aids nominally in growing just a little not that much. I have found you look pumped and vascular even at low doses of 3iu GH without slin, but it does not "grow" as people believe to make you huge. You have to have the genetics to grow like that, and you can do that on gear just as easily by itslef. After 10 years of GH use, I can say I do not look like a pro in any way and I look like I belong in then senior's natural division at 220 and 6'1 and lean. There is too much misconception that GH is the secret ingredient...
Can I show you tons of fat pig bodybuilders thinking they are huge, carrying tons of water running tons of gear, and looking like shit. They think they look good but they do not but can't tell a dickhead bodybuilders anything because they know it all with bro science...
Can I show you tons of fat pig bodybuilders thinking they are huge, carrying tons of water running tons of gear, and looking like shit. They think they look good but they do not but can't tell a dickhead bodybuilders anything because they know it all with bro science...
There’s nothing wrong with fats taken in a meal around slin. Just don’t overdo it. People get fat because they eat more carbs to cover the slin dose they want to take instead of taking slin to cover a normal intake of carbs. Slin should not drive your food intake up, it should match the intake you need to grow in your current setting.
Mads
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So if i eat 100g of carbs from oats with only 5ui of slin (and slme gh) that would result in fat gain? Wouldnt my own insulin just cover the rest?
Correct. What I’m saying is let’s say someone is eating 50g carbs preworkout. What you often see is someone then deciding to eat 100g carbs because they want to use 10iu slin. They’re adding carbs to cover slin vs using an appropriate amount of slin for their current diet.
Mads
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Im afraid i dont follow. Am i wrong in my usage? Usually my meals with slin are very carb heavy. For instance 100g of carbs. I only use about 5-6 units slin. Will that result in fat gain or is it considered wrong in any way? I try to use moderate dosages.
I don’t know if your approach is “correct” without seeing it all.
All I’m saying is that many people starting slin add carb just to use a certain dose of insulin instead of making insulin fit their current intake and that’s why they get “fat.”
The only way that what you said is gonna make you fat is if those 100g of carbs and the rest of your diet are too far in excess of your caloric need. A surplus is needed for growth and some fat gain is mostly expected. Just don’t go about adding carbs to use more slin. Make your slin dose match the carbs you need to grow, not the other way around.
Mads
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Do you have an insuline range which you never exceed? So far iv never gone above 10ui humalog. I started using 10ui lantus in the morning on most days too
I’ve never gone over 10iu log in a single shot or 50iu lantus. My use of insulin is two fold:
1. For the IGF synergy with GH
2. For making sure my blood sugar is controlled and saving my pancreas from getting the shit beat out of it by the amount of food I need to eat to grow over a blast
At some point too much is too much and it’s time to reduce food and recover sensitivity and such, but slin should be used in this way IMO, not for “performance” as most think. Less is more and use it for assisting in processing food, not as a driving drug.
Mads
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Exact same way for me altho iv never went above 20ui lantis. I guess youve never had a meal with more than 100g of carbs during an insulin shot then?
Plenty of meals above 100g with insulin. The goal isn’t to take enough insulin to cover ever carb you eat.
I’ve gotten up to 1000g of carbs a day in the offseason. That doesn’t mean I use 100iu of fast acting slin a day…
LSDPowerlifting
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Do you blast and cruise your GH with your AAS? Have you run slin for an entire 10+ week blast? What do you do for insulin sensitivity after that? Did it come back all of the way? I'm planning on doing this soon with test, tren and drol, but my slin will start off like 2iu preworklut and 5iu post. 2iu knocks my bg down like 30 points at first and for some reason, I guess because of the glycogen released from my liver near the end of my workout, I can take a lot more postworkout with a meal than preworkout
I keep GH in for the most part. insulin gets cycled/dosed according to carb intake and my insulin sensitivity (I keep track of fasted and post-prandial on a regular basis). Maintain sensitivity by dieting down between offseason/growth periods, using metformin and betbrine, etc. Would not recommend insulin as an all-the-time thing unless you’re fighting severe insulin resistance and are using it as part of a multi-prong approach to regain sensitivity (you beat the shit out of your pancreas and need slin to take some of the load off while restoring sensitivity in other ways).
Great question. I usually use insulin at 2-4 ius occasionally now (I have gone up to 10 ius in the past no longer on tons of gear) with a meal it's not to burn more calories than I take in, it's to burn the calories I'm eating that day. I usually use 2-3 ius GH at least 4-5 times a week for antiaging. I have taken insulin by itself as well occasionally, there is a well-respected nurse online who is diabetic herself, and consults bodybuilders and how to use insulin to maintain weight or to aid in glucose disposal for longevity. She claims that you can take slin daily after you test yourself repeatedly to get the correct reference range numbers and find the sweet spot that aids in helping the pancreas not get overworked or less stress, she claims this is for anti-aging and "longevity" purposes not just bodybuilding. With that said she is correct I use a bit of slin on/off 2-4 iu with large meals to dispose of the excess glucose. Usually, to correct high blood sugar, one unit of insulin is needed to drop the blood glucose by 50 mg/dl. So imagine your Thanksgiving dinner glucose levels!
I am NOT diabetic but I can tell you personally it has helped me quite a bit. This is because I don't have a fast metabolism and can not burn fat like hard gainers. I also think that Glucophage has a similar effect and but the method of application is oral and also not a big fan of upset stomach heartburn and loose stool all the time. I think it really depends on your blood levels They both have similar actions but different administrations. I may try Glucophage for an extended run by itself to see how the results are. I believe the Glucophage is milder and can be tolerated better for most but it does have to be processed more since it is an oral and not sure about the release times like insulin and how strong it is in comparison to insulin all things even. I plan on using slin occasionally 100 iu tube will last me 3+ months so it's not like I use it nonstop and all meals...
Last but not least since I have been lifting for 33 years and done it all, I can say it has really helped me keep my shape, and I look better than 90% of most guys at the gym...
Also, Mads I think was asking for bodybuilding purposes. I'll answer that as well... I have done 1-20ius or GH before even cheap China stuff for the last 15 years+ My assessment was that more is NOT better (does more dish soap get the dishes cleaner?). The more GH you take I feel you carry more water and retain a lot of fluid which puts more stress on your system as a whole. If I was to do it all over again I think my sweet spot would be if I was running it long-term for Bodybuilding would be about 3-4ius morning and night but realistically can you afford it? I can but that's me... for most people that's not an option for the long term... I would say I would cycle GH like gear or with your 12 weeks cycle, I would run it at about 3-4ius daily pharma if you can get morning and night for about 3 months at a time take 3 months off drop all the water weight if your running gear at high doses the water will NOT disappear Also, I'm not prone to high blood pressure that gear and GH cause so be aware and watch your BP. Anecdotally, I can say running GH over 5ius a dose seems to be a waste and puts excessive stress on you unless you going pro then I advise against it. Side note my friend (2 guys so far) running gear, GH and god knows what else for a decade just had a heart attacks so I know bodybuilders are short-sighted and act like Neandertals because they think it's cool but ask my friend who has a pace maker and lost all his gains...
Speaking from minimal experience it definitely works but you have to cover all bases. I'll tell you what I'm running for comparison and a recent pic (2.5 weeks old)
Eod 1cc t400 1cc tren ace and either 1 cc primo(200mgs) or 1cc eq(300mgs)
1 anadrol per day (50mgs trouche)
12ius opti grey EOD
LOG with meals (standard 6ius most meals up to 14ius big meals and that's the highest I've gone)
Dunno what I weigh I will say size and strength gains are there and consistent and highly dependant on how much I eat.
I seem to recover in hours not days. It's awesome.
Recently I stopped everything after developing CVG (lines in scalp, which was why I took the picture) and in the last week or so the CVG almost totally went away. As of three days ago I'm back on 100% and I expect the CVG will return and it is what it is. I'm a bodybuilder, aka an addict....
Please forgive the woolly Mammoth like back hair but at least no bacne. And of course the lovely skin folds on
the back of my head. You asked for a pic.
malfeasance
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I think you are missing his point.
Let me try to restate it (and he can correct me if I am wrong).
He is saying to eat the carbs that your diet calls for, and then decide on insulin dosing to match the carbs you are already using, with or without insulin.
Most folks decide on an insulin dosage, and then add carbs to their diet to cover the insulin, which is backwards.
Adding 100 grams of carbs to a bulking diet you are using that is already adding some fat will add an additional 400 calories a day, which, yes, will make you fat over time, because you are now adding calories on top of calories that were already adding fat (or even maintenance, adding calories above those levels adds fat).
So plan your diet.
Then plan your insulin usage.
In that order.
Not the other way around.
So in this case, how do you choose the meals where you will put the insulin and those where you don't?
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