Experienced insulin users

[marco11]

Lantus subq between 40-60 IU EoD for 4 weeks. 5IU GH daily along with 50mg anadrol/500-750 test and 200-400mg tren weekly.

Gained 18 pounds in 4 weeks. (Weight came after I started using the Lantus)

Skin splitting pumps in the gym but and I wasnt nearly as dry/grainy but my strength and fullness was absolutely next level. I was round and full 24/7 but like Mega said most of the gains were glycogen and I lost nearly all of it within 5-7 days once I stopped use.

 

[lilhawk]

I never used insulin, but i like Justin Harris aproach to it. Look into it.
You dont adjust your diet to insulin.
You first set up your diet and add insulin after, based on your carbs for those meals. You gradually up it to see how much you need.

He also uses it on high carb days only, which is one or two days per week, not every single day. He also doesn’t like using it pre workout as he says most guys look like crap, and every one is using it pre workout now. I would not use insulin daily during a diet as fat loss will be inhibited while insulin is active.

 

[Diesel power]

Does everyone cycle on and off insulin every 4 weeks or so or stay on continuous

 

[Type-IIx]

but why is he ? he is right about everything he is saying yes?
hes just crazy lol

He's not right about anything he is saying. It's dangerous idiocy to do as he proposes.

I'd have engaged in conversation with him were he talking about potential lipolysis a la glucagon (actually not lipolytic with even endogenous insulin levels in man) or glycogenolysis (he is not even making sense with mentioning gluconeogenesis)... and insulin inhibits both glycogenolysis and gluconeogenesis in the liver.

He's absolutely making shit up, has no fucking clue what he is talking about. Besides, I have a forthcoming article that'll be published on the main site that addresses the various myths surrounding the use of insulin for fat loss that actually addresses sensical arguments put forth by decent bros, despite their being incorrect (respectfully).

Para is a dangerous idiot that thinks that progesterone is vital for men, exogenous estrogens increase IGF-I in men, insulin a la glucagon confers fat loss benefits in man, and various other major errors. He knows just enough to be dangerous.

 

[Klimmzugernie]

He also uses it on high carb days only, which is one or two days per week, not every single day. He also doesn’t like using it pre workout as he says most guys look like crap, and every one is using it pre workout now. I would not use insulin daily during a diet as fat loss will be inhibited while insulin is active.

Yes and no. FFA Oxidation is reduced by max 60% depending on fatty acid type.
According to my experience 1h pre work out I take 6iu HGH s.c..
Immediately before work out 3 IU humalog i.m. with 30g carbs, 30g eaa, 10g creatine.
With these dosages I have the impression that the HGH counterfeits a little bit the FFA Oxidation Inhibition from insulin. Even if this assumption is wrong the timing and pinning strategy works great for me because after 1,5-2h work the insulin is almost cleared out (because of the i.m. pin). Following 30min low steady state cardio I can still take advantage of the s.c. pinned HGH for fat los during cardio.
Getting bigger and leaner with this.

Other drugs: 50mg test prop, 100mg drosta, 10mg NPP ED.
150ug T4, 250mg Metformin before sleep.

 

[malfeasance]

I am looking for experienced insulin users to chime in and let me know - is the hype surrounding insulin (when combined with rHGH) all it’s cracked up to be when used in a growth phase? I’d like to know where you were at before your slin use, and where you ended up after in terms of physique (feel free to post pics!), strength, overall muscle development, and weight.

I’ve done hours of research on why it’s implemented, so I’m not looking to make this thread about the science, but moreso the personal results and experiences from you all

This is the one compound I have never dabbled in but I recently hired a very popular coach who is known for his moderate anabolic protocols but higher end GH/slin protocols.

Thanks again guys

Just curious whether you decided to try insulin yet.

 

[AbstractMind]

Just curious whether you decided to try insulin yet.

I had plans to use it during this off-season period until I tore my pec like 7 weeks ago. Since then I’ve really just been cruising and using BPC and TB. My pec really still doesn’t feel 100% but I started training it lightly again this week. Sucks man. Part of me really wants to ramp everything up in hopes that it will make me heal quicker, but idk.

The tear was just partial, but inside the muscle belly, so hard to work with

 

[malfeasance]

Sorry to hear that. Something similar happened to me prepping in 2019, partial, but caused me to stop prep.

 

[AbstractMind]

Sorry to hear that. Something similar happened to me prepping in 2019, partial, but caused me to stop prep.

What was your plan to rehab it? Anything in particular? How long long until it started feeling actually normal ?

 

[Diesel power]

@Type-IIx hi pal, just a quick question if I may ? I’m on cycle atm running test npp ment, along with hgh 7iu eod , cycle will finish at Xmas then back to trt and hgh 2-3 iu daily, I’ve just run Novorapid 10iu morning 10iu post workout training days only for 4 weeks should I now have 4 weeks off slin or run on ? Fat gains is very minimal and lean gains in very impressed with. Cheers

 

[malfeasance]

What was your plan to rehab it? Anything in particular? How long long until it started feeling actually normal ?

Oh, I am not sure I ever felt normal. It has been a recurring problem. I was out of the gym entirely for several weeks, and, when I started back, I lifted with ridiculously light weights and very slowly increased them.

I have adopted very different training strategies, too, involving pecs. For example, the machine on which the injury (strain? partial tear?) occurred I now do after pec deck and dumbbell presses, and when I go to that machine, instead of loading it up heavy for straight sets of 8-12, I load it lighter and do sets with 30 second rest periods. So far, so good.

All of the barbell work for chest has been gone fore several years, but I am quite a bit older than you, so I am sure you will recover much better than me. I probably stuck to the heavy barbell stuff way too long, when I knew it was taking a toll.

 

[AbstractMind]

Oh, I am not sure I ever felt normal. It has been a recurring problem. I was out of the gym entirely for several weeks, and, when I started back, I lifted with ridiculously light weights and very slowly increased them.

I have adopted very different training strategies, too, involving pecs. For example, the machine on which the injury (strain? partial tear?) occurred I now do after pec deck and dumbbell presses, and when I go to that machine, instead of loading it up heavy for straight sets of 8-12, I load it lighter and do sets with 30 second rest periods. So far, so good.

All of the barbell work for chest has been gone fore several years, but I am quite a bit older than you, so I am sure you will recover much better than me. I probably stuck to the heavy barbell stuff way too long, when I knew it was taking a toll.

The barbell is what did me dirty too. Well, that, and incline smith

 

[MysqlMan]

I'm a type II diabetic. My doctor says my FBG isn't high enough to warrant putting me on insulin (same asshole who wouldn't give me pain meds after breaking a lumbar disc).

I cannot grow (at all) without 'slin. I just get fatter and fatter.

I carb up and my BG shoots up to 350 and stays there. None of the nuitrients go into the muscle cells, but just float around in my blood stream before finally landing in my fat cells.

For me, insulin is a must for muscle growth (both basal [lantus] and bolus [humalog]).
I won't say how much I use, because if someone who was not diabetic tried mimicking it, they would drop dead 15 minutes after pinning.

As for HGH, the jury is still out on that one. I think I either haven't gotten very good stuff or I've never done enough. I'm springing for several kits of what I'm told is good stuff for my next cycle. Planning to pin 4iu twice a day.

We'll see what happens.

 

[whoremoan1]

I'm a type II diabetic. My doctor says my FBG isn't high enough to warrant putting me on insulin (same asshole who wouldn't give me pain meds after breaking a lumbar disc).

I cannot grow (at all) without 'slin. I just get fatter and fatter.

I carb up and my BG shoots up to 350 and stays there. None of the nuitrients go into the muscle cells, but just float around in my blood stream before finally landing in my fat cells.

For me, insulin is a must for muscle growth (both basal [lantus] and bolus [humalog]).
I won't say how much I use, because if someone who was not diabetic tried mimicking it, they would drop dead 15 minutes after pinning.

As for HGH, the jury is still out on that one. I think I either haven't gotten very good stuff or I've never done enough. I'm springing for several kits of what I'm told is good stuff for my next cycle. Planning to pin 4iu twice a day.

We'll see what happens.

with the gh, did you test it with bloods ?
because i found you need to be running it for atleast 8 months to see any big changes

 

[MysqlMan]

with the gh, did you test it with bloods ?
because i found you need to be running it for atleast 8 months to see any big changes

I didn't. I live in one of those American states where blood testing is not allowed.

 

[CooSee]

great post
so when your dieting, whats your carbs like around workout and slin dosage after workout ?

so for bulking would it be better to do pre and post and lower the dosage of slin to prevent going hypo and also enough to shuttle all carbs ?

or is it better to have that one big hit of insulin either before or after workout?

when you're dieting, your insulin sensitivity should be very high, assuming you're eating medium to low carbs (which you should be), and calorie restricted. Therefore, you should NOT use insulin during a cut/diet. It's main purpose is to help you shuttle nutrients and encourage the body to store nutrients in the muscles when you're in a calorie excess mode.

 

[CooSee]

Ok caught me im not 7%, it’s actually 8% I lied… . Since it’s so easy to measure exactly in a scientific way with tools everybody has at home. You know, liquifying the body and separating the density? Quite easy.

5’10 196lb 8% isn’t exactly what I’d call a “far fetched” mass monster lol. If I did this in my first year of bodybuilding, I’d assume it’s quite easy to achieve actually and I’m slightly disappointed I’m a bit fat to be called “stage ready”. But oh well. Do you consider that impressive or something lol ? Thank you. Genuinely pleasedI actually have pictures that are from months back. That even those will back up the only claim I made.


So you’re actually lying here:
You’re actually a liar- it’s quite easy to scroll a few lines above and see I didn’t edit anything, and didn’t say what your claiming.

Again:
-You said I claimed something I didn’t say- and your attacking me for that thing I didn’t even say. Quite strange.

I didn’t say I’m using insulin for a direct lipolysis effect. Didn’t say glucagon does either. So I fully have no actual idea why your full on fight clubbing yourself and fighting with a person not actually there - hallucinating things I didn’t say lol.

If you gained 68lbs of stage weight in a year, congrats, your genetics are 1 in about 105 Billion!

 

[CooSee]

He's not right about anything he is saying. It's dangerous idiocy to do as he proposes.

I'd have engaged in conversation with him were he talking about potential lipolysis a la glucagon (actually not lipolytic with even endogenous insulin levels in man) or glycogenolysis (he is not even making sense with mentioning gluconeogenesis)... and insulin inhibits both glycogenolysis and gluconeogenesis in the liver.

He's absolutely making shit up, has no fucking clue what he is talking about. Besides, I have a forthcoming article that'll be published on the main site that addresses the various myths surrounding the use of insulin for fat loss that actually addresses sensical arguments put forth by decent bros, despite their being incorrect (respectfully).

Para is a dangerous idiot that thinks that progesterone is vital for men, exogenous estrogens increase IGF-I in men, insulin a la glucagon confers fat loss benefits in man, and various other major errors. He knows just enough to be dangerous.

not to mention, why in the hell would you use insulin to lose fat, when there are 20 other ways to get lean that are far safer and more effective.

 

[Para_33]

If you gained 68lbs of stage weight in a year, congrats, your genetics are 1 in about 105 Billion!

It’s hard to believe even for me to be honest. I’ve heard a few other anecdotes that were similar, but I tried looking around just to see.

The only thing I care about now is to see if this trend can continue gaining 2-3.5lb per week and stay semi lean now that I’m 200-205lb.

Initially it was less impressive because of how light I started at, but I still seemed to continue with that trend from 170-190.

It was broken up after that and hard to account for because I started cutting when I hit 196. I haven’t started my next offseason yet

 

[Para_33]

not to mention, why in the hell would you use insulin to lose fat, when there are 20 other ways to get lean that are far safer and more effective.

I hear what you’re saying for sure. I used other methods too along side this protocol and at other points in time separate. I don’t recommend this to other people because of the potential for harm. It is however a risk that I’m willing to accept for myself because of the results I’ve had with it and now that I’ve become more comfortable with knowing how my body responds to insulin and at which dose.