Rido
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I guess I was thinking not the fatigue portion as well.
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TRT_Training_Hard
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I think I am likely 17.5% now. I know most people under estimate their BF%. I think this is being pretty accurate. I have lose skin on my abdomen which makes it a little tougher.
What would you suggest I do at this point?
Thanks so much for all the help!
TRT_Training_Hard
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You don't think I will get fat at 3,500?
I guess at 41 years old, 6ft and 230lbs that shouldn't be too bad.
Rido
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Only you know how many calories you can truly take in. I guess after doing some thought and re-reading your post.
I am not sure why you feel fatigued.
overtrain? blood work?
how many workout sessions do you have a week? do you do cardio?
TRT_Training_Hard
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Thank you for being so helpful.
I eat 2,500 calories normally, maybe 2,800 averaged out if I include the odd meal out.
I typically do weights around 3 times per week and BJJ (500 calories approx) around 4 times per week. No extra cardio.
However, since feeling so fatigued I haven't done bjj in 6 weeks, so just lifting 3 times per week. There was also a 3 week period during this time where I did virtually nothing (1 week deload, 1 week ill and 1 week travelling).
Ideally I would like to do more training with the help of AAS and possiblly GH. Ideally 3 BJJ, 2 Judo and 3 weights.
I am considering trying a hair friendly 6 month cycle of:
Test 200mg (100mg more than my TRT)
40mg Turanibol (6 weeks on, 6 weeks off and repeat)
Pharma HGH 2iu per day
I need to resolve the fatigue and poor sleep issue first.
Thanks again
Rido
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No problem. We are here to look out for eachother. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one btw.
I get the best sleep off cycle.
I think something like melatonin(it takes a few days to work)
eat at maintenance, 3 days of lifting a week shouldnt cause you to overtrain(unless you workout for hours).
If you are still having issues, maybe you just need to changeup your workout routine? find a new gym? sometimes a new environment. blood work etc.
good luck with everything.
malfeasance
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Worst sleep I have ever had, outside of highly stressful times in my life, like divorce or sitting on a jail cell concrete floor at night, was in the last few weeks pre contest, so calorie restriction and low body fat can definitely take it out of you, along with using something like tren, but I have never experienced anything like that on the doses and compounds you are running, nor have I experienced it at 2500 calories, which would be a deficit, but I doubt it would keep me up at night.
Maybe try to increase your calories for a few days and see if it helps. If so, maybe higher calories with regular cardio to compensate would work better for you.
Any stress?
Get up early? I ask that last one because if I get up late I have trouble sleeping at night. My best sleep is when I get up at 5-5:30 and do cardio fasted in the a.m., on schedule.
Maybe try to increase your calories for a few days and see if it helps. If so, maybe higher calories with regular cardio to compensate would work better for you.
Any stress?
Get up early? I ask that last one because if I get up late I have trouble sleeping at night. My best sleep is when I get up at 5-5:30 and do cardio fasted in the a.m., on schedule.
TRT_Training_Hard
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Thanks for being so helpful @malfeasance
I have been going through a huge amount of work stress for the last 6 weeks. This has included many sleepless nights and worrying. The stress has improved a bit in the last couple of weeks. The fatigue issue predates this highly stressful period though, although it's gotten worse.
I do think the npp was playing a part somewhat as it was likely impacting my sleep. I would wake up after only a few hours thinking it was morning.
Prior to this stressful period I had assumed I was overtraining. 4 bjj sessions a week + 3 to 4 lifting sessions seems to be very hard for me to recover from. Add in cutting weight and it is a struggle.
This is why I was hoping a small blast could facilitate my goals.
I also do go to bed quite late and tend to nap during the day. I sleep around 11pm to 12am. My work has a flexible hours which enables me to sleep-in later if Inwant and nap when needed.
Would 2iu pharma HGH + 200mg Test + 25 to 40mg tbol (6 weeks on and 6 weeks off) make my training schedule much easier to recover from?
I find it tough knowing the difference between physical and CNS fatigue.
Thanks again for taking the time to understand the specifics of my situstion and to advise me.
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You do not need any AI on 210mg of test per week.
I am absolutely confident on that topic.
Everything else I can’t really critique on except that.
Having lowish E2 will dry out a bit more due to less water retention but even on that dose the water weight would be minimal.
Low E2 is a nightmare man and especially on exemastane it’s extremely easy to fuck up. One dose can last up to 6 days and there’s no way of upping your E2 until the drug clears.
That being said don’t fall into the loop of trying to up your E2 while on asin because once the drug eventually wears off you’ll be hit with a massive E2 spike from all the other shit you’ve used trying to up it.
It’s just a never ending cycle of high/low E2 and for this sole reason I tend to stay away from AI completely.
If you have high E2 issues just lower your testosterone and add something else. Other than that I wouldn’t even bother running it. Fuck AIs man, if I’m truly in a pickle I’ll use 0.5mg of arimidex spread out every 3 days buts that’s as far as I’ll go.
I haven’t slept good since I hopped on cycle! Test only cycle the sleep is okay, trt dose it’s a lot better. Whenever I use nand or tren it’s waking up 3-4 times a night.
Actually I’m using 4IUs of GH now and it’s fucking tremendous at helping my sleep. The stuff is magic I’d almost go as far as saying it could treat insomnia. It truly was worth the price tag even if this was the only benefit.
Yep lethargy is definitely a sign of low E2. I’ve been there countless times before like I mentioned in my above comment.
This might be just me but I got horrible nightmares when my E2 was crashed. Really horrible and spooky dreams that woke me up several times. I ain’t joking it must of surfaced some past emotional trauma I never knew about or some shit.
I literally just remembered the nightmare thing now. The more I think about the last time I fucked up my E2 levels the more justified I feel about my stance on AIs.
Anyways, I’ve crashed my E2 way too often and I vowed to completely stay the fuck away from AIs. It’s just too easy for me to fuck the dose up.
I’m sure there’s people here that are smarter and more self controlled than me and have there shit together so it could be just a me issue.
Exemastane is weird ass drug, I never liked it and I’ll more than likely never use it again. Arimidex isn’t as bad but it’s not great either. I don’t know it’s just aromasin always made me feel like ass.
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I start diets on about 4500 calories (maintenance). Every time, i get to a point 14-16 weeks later when i can barely loose weight on 2500 calories and 1 hour extra cardio/day.
I think you just need to increase your calories for a few weeks.
Maybe play with your carbs and try to have higher/lower carb days to break the fat loss plateau.
Our body adapts to lower calories and/or uses the macros more efficiently.
I think you just need to increase your calories for a few weeks.
Maybe play with your carbs and try to have higher/lower carb days to break the fat loss plateau.
Our body adapts to lower calories and/or uses the macros more efficiently.
To the orginal poster I apologize but I couldn’t read through all the posts. Jus to much petty arguing. Like someone did mention they’re really is no specific bulking or cuttin compounds, it’s completely dietary related. Unless your taking thyroid type meds those would obv be fat loss oriented. Back to your question I believ even with jus 3-4 days lifting, with the added BJJ teaing and cardio your activity level is definetly high and in a good place for leaning out. But if your noticing major fatigue or restlessness or trouble sleeping that maybe your body telling you it’s being overworked and you need to back off on some activities. Test and NPP are great compinds that as long as used at a reasonable dose should t be concerned with much if any water issues. Many times the scale can be your worst enemy. Use the “mirror” and someone close to you who knows your body but at the same time will be honest with you as well. I’d tour sleep is getting bad that alone can mess with all types of hormones and stress/cortisol levels in your body. Get your sleep schedule right and find what your maintence calories are. Then start with jus 250-350 calories daily under maintence and go from there and the jus adjust accordingly. Also keep an eye and your strength levels in the gym. It’s an easy way to see if the weight your losing is more muscle or fat related. I apologize if I jus repeated someone else, but I could t read through all the crap talking. If you do need more advice or opinions just pm me or emakl me . Take care
TRT_Training_Hard
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That is good to know. I would kill for high quality sleep and feeling rested thriught my day.
Do you pin before bed?
Yeah the GH I pin 1-2 hrs before bed.
malfeasance
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This right here - cut it out.
Set an alarm and awaken early and go do some fasted cardio to start off your morning. Get consistent. Every morning, up early at the same time.
Cut out the naps.
Cut out evening TV, computer, phone, etc. Pick up a book or something at night. Relax.
I predict within 10 days you are sleeping 7-8 hours straight and up and at it in the morning cardio (which sucks, but you feel so much better after when you get home ready to start your day after burning 400 calories fasted).
Eat your eggs and oats
Then hit your productive work hard and focus intensely. Kick ass for the day, starting bright and early.
My two cents
